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[The Oracle]

...the magic and power of the Titans separated and drawn from their bodies which resulted in them turning into Dwarves? The Titans did some kind of spell or experiment which separated the magic from their bodies (maybe they didn't want to be in the Fade?). That's why the Dwarves are so linked to "the stone", they're drawn by a need to be near the lyrium that is the missing part of themselves.

 

Some of the various quotes from the game relating to the Dwarves and their broken connection to the Titans/Lyrium/Magic.

 

Dagna : (...) I've learned something. I think. I don't know.

Dagna : I got a scraping that was cleaned off you. And it's weird. And the other rift bits, they're weird. It's just... weird.

Dagna : Lyrium and the fade, linked. But dwarves and tranquil, not linked. But they work lyrium, so they are. Somehow? (looks like me when I begin to write an essay)

Dagna : There's something there. I was face-deep in a rune, and for a moment... I was tall. Really tall.

Dagna : And I thought -- I thought all the thoughts. (nervous laugh)

Inquisitor : You felt taller ? How much taller ?

Dagna : Like, mountain-tall. Or I was the mountain. But I was moving. I felt dizzy.

Dagna : You know what I remembered ? Watching a shaperate carve the wall of memory. Except... big. Isn't that weird ? Maybe there were fumes.

Inquisitor : What do you mean when you say "thought all the thoughts"?

Dagna : I don't know ? As if, for a moment, I was around all my people. And my thought was all of theirs ? No, no, my thought was all of our thoughts. Like parts. Ugh, words are mush.

Dagna : Maybe that's what the Stone feels like. Or we think it feels like. If we think it feels ? Creepy.

Inquisitor : So tranquil and dwarves are linked to lyrium, but also not linked ?

Dagna : Like the lyrium needs to flow, but if you're part of it, it takes you with it. so you can't be part of it. That makes me sad. I'm not sure why. It seems like whe should be part of it. Whatever "it" is.

Dagna : Or maybe we're the ones who make it happen ? Whatever "it" is ?

Dagna : You know what's frustrating ? Answers that aren't answers. Bleah. (I see you Bioware.)

Dagna : I tried to make it happen again, but it wouldn't. Then I had a headache. And cocoa. And a lie-down.

 

Kieran : "You can't be taller without the titans."

 

Anyways. I'd love to hear what people think of the relationship between dwarves, lyrium and their lack of magic. It's just a really interesting thing to speculate on.

 

[andy6915]

I never saw that dialogue with Dagna. That's really interesting!

 

I know molten lyrium is how the Golem's were made, and the process is horrifying for the dwarf in the armor. But for lyrium itself, Biana said it's alive and can be tainted like a person, which is how we get red lyrium. If it's related to the Titans, it's something new to look forward to seeing in the future. DAI left us many hints of things to come.

 

I see lyrium as basically the blood of the planet, and the blight pretty much an infection. Red lyrium would be blood poisoning in this comparison.

[myahele]

Interstingly:

 

 

The Stone has a will that surrounds and directs; she guides even when we are willfully blind to her influence. But she is not pure. The Stone bears a corruption as old as balance. For the dwarves to prosper, the gangue--the waste and unstable rock-- must be cut away. But like the Stone, the gangue also has an influence. Each of us must face this, must carve the worst of ourselves away, but theLegion of the Dead bears a unique responsibility. Only the fully adorned of the Legion can face the gangue, can cut into darkness that afflicts the raw Stone. She encircles us, and we must protect her, here where darkness meets light.

--A Legion of the Dead inscription, undated

 

Sounds like red lyrium to be

 

There seems to be a symbiotic relationship between The Stone and Dwarves. Getting rid of The Stones gangue seems to have a symbolic and literal effect on both.

 

The Dwarves certainly forgot alot of their history/responsibilities and it seems like the low birth rates of Dwarves might be due to them forgetting their responsibilities to the Stone.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

Dagna : You know what's frustrating ? Answers that aren't answers. Bleah. (I see you Bioware.)

Haha, I've been thinking that for years Good post too, but I can't think of anything to add right now.

[Al Foley]

OK this is the second time in two days I have heard the name 'titans' in relation to DA.  And I have no idea what they are and consuling the Wiki leaves me surprisingly blank still...explain.  

[ReadingRambo220]

Indeed titans are a new term for me in relation to dragon age.

[xPez]

I'd like to know more about the Titans as well for any posters that can enlighten us.

 

Is the only information about them that quote from Kieran?

[andy6915]

I'd like to know more about the Titans as well for any posters that can enlighten us.

 

Is the only information about them that quote from Kieran?

 

Yes. That is all we know, they're as unknown as an unknown can be.

[myahele]

Regarding titans, based on a codex entry a Tevinter mage in the Hissing Wastes(?) bumped into this object that transformed and asked him where the "blood of the world was" so it can drink it. 

 

This same thing, from my understanding, was the inspiration for making those spikey human Tevinter Statues (guardians?) we see everywhere.

[thats1evildude]

That was in the Western Approach and was basically a long Transformers joke.

http://forum.bioware...stern-approach/

[madrar]

Hissing Wastes(?)

 

The codex mentions that Perivantium is "nearby", which would make the location of the encounter somewhere near the Silent Plains.

 

*whips out her tinfoil hat*

 

Given the evidence we have, I think these may have actually been war golems, dating from the era of Dirthamen-Falon'Din's failed rebellion.  It seems fair to assume the pair of massive statues we find in the Western Approach were crafted by the mage referenced in the codex, since he mentions their (future) placement directly.  Given that, the statues themselves should give us some idea of what he initially encountered, minus the heavy Tevinter aesthetic.

 

Spoiler

 

The statue's most distinctive feature is that it has four arms and two faces.  One side (the side usually facing "outward") carries a spear, while the other wields something like daggers/shortswords.

 

Spoiler

 

In addition to the pre-split parallels referenced here, this dichotomy is mirrored in ancient statues around Ferelden as two separate figures:

 

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Ignore the titles, since the particular quest involving these two muddies the point a bit.  In the ancient elvhen burial area beneath the Brecilian Ruins, copies of the spear figure encircle the grave itself- a leading hint pointing to Dirthamen, underscored by the general visual similarity of the spear to Dirthamen's staff in his ToM mosaic.  The pose of each adds a bit of extra evidence, since Falon'din as the aggressive, active half of the pair is fairly well established in other contexts.  

 

Spoiler

 

 

So to sum up the craziness: I think the Tevinter statues were inspired by something far older with heavy links to Falon'Din/Dirthamen- and that the most likely explanation is that the original statue was a surviving war golem, reactivated centuries after the massive battle that took place on (and created) the Silent Plains. These would have been June's creations, powered by dwarves in a way that was rediscovered, albeit in a more primitive and brutal form, by Caridin in his creation of modern-day golems.  

 

As an aside, it's possible surviving golems were put to far different use, after the dwarves (and possibly June himself) unwittingly exposed themselves to red lyrium while attempting to destroy Elgar'nan's idol, as the statues' presence in Kirkwall (and Corypheus' references to human slavery by the dwarves) seems to hint.  I also suspect the nearby Hundred Pillars are the massive remains of Dirthamen's draconic avatar, as the Frostbacks are Andruil's... but that's veering off-topic and deep into tinfoil hat territory.  >w<;

[Cobra's_back]

I see lyrium as basically the blood of the planet, and the blight pretty much an infection. Red lyrium would be blood poisoning in this comparison.

 

I really see it as a drug like the templar addiction. I really think it is a bad thing not a good thing. Losing your mind and control of your senses is never a good thing. To me it is toxic. 

[andy6915]

I really see it as a drug like the templar addiction. I really think it is a bad thing not a good thing. Losing your mind and control of your senses is never a good thing. To me it is toxic.

Or Maybe drinking the blood of a planet is just an unhealthy thing to do.

[Magdalena11]

Or Maybe drinking the blood of a planet is just an unhealthy thing to do.

 

I think it's more like eating dirt.  If lyium's one of the four humors (plus spirit), it's still pollution from too much of one source.  You're probably right.

[Cobra's_back]

Or Maybe drinking the blood of a planet is just an unhealthy thing to do.

 

Good point. There are plenty of things that are natural and toxic at the same time.

[MEBengal2008]

It seems as if the older races have forgotten their history. The elves and the dwarves both seem lost.

[Reznore57]

Dagna : Lyrium and the fade, linked. But dwarves and tranquil, not linked. But they work lyrium, so they are. Somehow? (looks like me when I begin to write an essay)

Lyrium and the fade are linked because well magic!
Seriously the fade?People who can channel their thought through the fade can create magic on Thedas.
Lyrium is also magic but it's already in material form , dwarves and tranquil can create magical artifact with that.For people who can't use the fade for example.
Dwarves and tranquil are "linked "(Jesus , Dagna!) they are both cut from the fade .
The difference is dwarves are born cut from it , and someone sort of did a magical castration on tranquil.
Also tranquil aren't "linked" to the lyrium the way dwarves are , they used to be mortals linked to the fade.
Mages (those who are still linked to the fade ) tends to bleed through every orifice if they touch raw lyrium.
I guess too much magic isn't so good for you.
 

Dagna : There's something there. I was face-deep in a rune, and for a moment... I was tall. Really tall.
Dagna : And I thought -- I thought all the thoughts. (nervous laugh)
Inquisitor : You felt taller ? How much taller ?
Dagna : Like, mountain-tall. Or I was the mountain. But I was moving. I felt dizzy.
Dagna : You know what I remembered ? Watching a shaperate carve the wall of memory. Except... big. Isn't that weird ? Maybe there were fumes.
Inquisitor : What do you mean when you say "thought all the thoughts"?
Dagna : I don't know ? As if, for a moment, I was around all my people. And my thought was all of theirs ? No, no, my thought was all of our thoughts. Like parts. Ugh, words are mush.
Dagna : Maybe that's what the Stone feels like. Or we think it feels like. If we think it feels ? Creepy.

So let's say the Lyrium is the equivalent of the fade for the dwarves.
I think the fade is more like a memory bank and the lyrium a DNA bank.
Lyrium is in the mountains , moutains are big (duh)
Of course the main difference for the dwarves is lyrium is solid ...it doesn't exactly work like the fade.
Their mind can't tap into it , they can't directly use it to produce magic through the ubber power of their mind.
They have a physical relationship with it , when they die well...their bodies goes back to the stone.They can sense it around them , they can work it safely (more or less)
 

Dagna : Like the lyrium needs to flow, but if you're part of it, it takes you with it. so you can't be part of it. That makes me sad. I'm not sure why. It seems like whe should be part of it. Whatever "it" is.
Dagna : Or maybe we're the ones who make it happen ? Whatever "it" is ?
Dagna : You know what's frustrating ? Answers that aren't answers. Bleah. (I see you Bioware.)

Again Lyrium is solid , dwarves are solid , their connexion to the lyrium is primarly physical , so yeah good luck being a part of it.
(well some people ate red lyrium , and then the red lyrium ate them back )
It seems Dagna was able to mentally tap into Lyrium , afterall if we can walk physically into the Fade ...nothing's impossible.