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[Master Warder Z_]

It was ignored, because it was a stupid & unnecessary comparison...

Yup.

[LOLandStuff]

This threads looks like it's been made because someone is in the mood to lash out at people and for the sake of arguing.

[andy6915]

This threads looks like it's been made because someone is in the mood to lash out at people and for the sake of arguing.

 

No, this was made to discuss canon. But there are people on this forum that like derailing topics, and they successfully did for this one. Read the topic, it started off good and only went bad sometime around the last page (give or take a half page). Don't come in and read the last page or so and assume you know what a topic has been like from the start, it makes you look like you have no idea what you're talking about.

[andy6915]

You aren't applying a world view as alien to Thedas as the Qun, using terms that don't exist there, to justify some grand 21st century moral stance? Boyo All this is moral relativism, its just backwards, foreign morality is applied to a situation incompatible with it.

So yeah.

Its sort of funny

 

I already showed that moral relativism isn't what I'm using, yet you continue to call it that out of either stupidity or trolling, and the comparison is perfect but you don't like it because you like being able to hate an entire race for the actions of a few... And me calling you on that is moral relativism to your ignorant definition? "Don't judge people simply for a religion some of those people practice": "OMG that's moral relativism!"? Ugh, you are trolling. I really should just stop responding to you, I'm giving exactly what you want with every post.

 

Anyway, good job derailing my topic too. You're good at that. Not that it matters, the point was satisfied before you derailed it since I got really good ideas and explanations about Adaar's background already before you showed up with this racist garbage. Fictional or real, hating a whole race for the reasons you do says some really bad things about you.

[BobZilla84]

I still think Shokrakar & Adaar are Co-Leaders of the Valo Kas Mercenary Company and until the Voice of The Maker "Bioware" says otherwise I am not gonna think otherwise end of story.

[andy6915]

I still think Shokrakar & Adaar are Co-Leaders of the Valo Kas Mercenary Company and until the Voice of The Maker "Bioware" says otherwise I am not gonna think otherwise end of story.

 

That's what I think I'm going to go with too, the idea was brought up a while ago (possibly by you?). Nothing else makes quite as much sense. Almost makes you wonder what relationship they had though, to be dual leadership. But Adaar can romance characters with no a slight bit of hesitation, so I doubt it was romantic. And Shokrakar certainly didn't seem to be overly emotional in their letter to you when they learn you're alive, it seemed more "friend" like than "girlfriend" like.

[BobZilla84]

Shokrakar could be a Female Iron Bull or a Qunari Isabella she and Adaar could be friends with Benefits or former lovers.Damn it now I want to know more about Shokraker "Background/Relationship with Adaar" maybe in Dlc I can hope.

[andy6915]

Shokrakar could be a Female Iron Bull or a Qunari Isabella she and Adaar could be friends with Benefits or former lovers.Damn it now I want to know more about Shokraker "Background/Relationship with Adaar" maybe in Dlc I can hope.

 

Or she could even be your sister! That is something I only just thought of, and I was planning to have my head-canon be that my next Adaar would have a brother... But I can't deny that they could actually be siblings. Only problem is that I think she would have sounded more emotional and worried in the letter if she thought her sibling had died. Then again, if your character has a habit of seemingly dying but showing up again later like nothing happened then maybe she's just used to you doing that sort of thing. Or maybe she's someone who just always tries to play it cool as their response to being stressed out, so she kept the letter stoic so she could keep from getting emotional. Or it was to not worry her sibling by trying to not act too upset about it, she didn't want to worry you by acting visibly distraught in the letter. I guess there's plenty of ways she could be your sibling while still wording the letter as she did.

[daveliam]

I tend to think just a little differently.  I think that the captain that Josie mentioned was your former captain.  He's still alive, which is why Josie could get in touch with him, but he's not leading the group anymore.  Adaar was the leader of the group when the events of the prologue happened.  Then, when he joined the Inquisition, Shokrakar, his second-in-command, took over leading the group on her own. 

 

I don't think there's anything that would conflict with this in the game, right?

 

Also, the one thing that does ruin my immersion around the Valo-Kas is the fact that you are able to describe the type of people that you recruit, but the game always has every name listed in Shokrakar's message as Tal-Vashoth.  My original plan was to have Adaar identify more as a "Marcher" and not as a Vashoth, so I picked the "I allowed anyone in" option.  But then I learned the names of, like 8 different members and they were clearly all qunari.  With the exception of the former captain, every single Valo-kas member that is named was qunari, right?  I didn't love that.  I wouldn't have minded if they didn't make it seem like I could have a choice in this.

[andy6915]

I tend to think just a little differently.  I think that the captain that Josie mentioned was your former captain.  He's still alive, which is why Josie could get in touch with him, but he's not leading the group anymore.  Adaar was the leader of the group when the events of the prologue happened.  Then, when he joined the Inquisition, Shokrakar, his second-in-command, took over leading the group on her own. 

 

I don't think there's anything that would conflict with this in the game, right?

 

Also, the one thing that does ruin my immersion around the Valo-Kas is the fact that you are able to describe the type of people that you recruit, but the game always has every name listed in Shokrakar's message as Tal-Vashoth.  My original plan was to have Adaar identify more as a "Marcher" and not as a Vashoth, so I picked the "I allowed anyone in" option.  But then I learned the names of, like 8 different members and they were clearly all qunari.  With the exception of the former captain, every single Valo-kas member that is named was qunari, right?  I didn't love that.  I wouldn't have minded if they didn't make it seem like I could have a choice in this.

 

Not really. Tal-vashoth seems to be often used interchangeably by other vashtoh, they (vashoth) themselves don't see much difference even if the actual qunari do not. Whether you was part of it or rejected it or was born outside of it, the fact is that you didn't exactly try to convert either... Which makes you close enough to count.

 

And yeah, they used qunari names, but remember that qunari names are ranks. Qunari themselves have no problem giving viddathari (qunari who are not the qunari race) qunari ranks, because that's just how their culture and language work. All those qunari names mentioned that you don't like? They could all have been a mix of human and dwarves and elves while still having qunari ranks, because they're in a mercenary group led by someone who was raised by tal-vashoth parents and is a vashoth themselves. Someone named Sten for example could be any race, because Sten is just a rank. And Ashaad simply means scout, Scout Harding would be an Ashaad for example. So your head-canon wasn't harmed by that.

[Fredward]

Just out of curiosity when does Shokrakar's gender come up?

[Lavaeolus]

You aren't applying a world view as alien to Thedas as the Qun, using terms that don't exist there, to justify some grand 21st century moral stance? Boyo All this is moral relativism, its just backwards, foreign morality is applied to a situation incompatible with it.

So yeah.

Its sort of funny

Not sure I'm understanding you here. That sounds more like perhaps misused universalism than any relativism: a single standard, in this case one more embraced by 21st century thinking, applied to all.