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[Master Warder Z_]

Cassandra likes kitties

[The Baconer]

Why not talk about Anders? It's totally linked. He's the second major character in the game (I think).

As for the Gallows, I know it's a disgrace. I'll side with the mages myself, but I don't need to attack neutral parties to make my point. I link that sentiment to Anders because that's exactly what Anders' fans always do. They don't just blame Meredith and Orsino, but Elthina as well.

In the end though, the game itself is neutral, and we're just left feeling like Hawke didn't accomplish anything him/herself either. Hawke is no more competent than Elthina.

If we're talking about how the Chantry operates and oversees things, Hawke and Anders have nothing to do with that.

The Chantry claims the responsibility of watching over mages through the Circle system, and to that extent they are also expected to make sure it runs properly.

From that position, one cannot make a big deal over the deteriorating station, and then proceed to do absolutely nothing of use. As acting Grand Cleric of Kirkwall and Meredith's superior, Elthina is responsible in part.

[Sifr]

Fair enough.

 

Storywise, that's a shame though. The only thing worth bringing a new race into a setting is to present their quirks and unique culture. If the traditional dwarves die off and everything just becomes surface dwarves and some Chantry believers, what's the ****** point of even having dwarves in the first place. I could have had criminals and Chantry believers and hairy chests with humans. I don't want a bunch of short humans. I want dwarves.

 

But that's what Dragon Age has in abundance, we have multiple races with multiple cultures.

 

The humans have different cultures between nations, as well as some groups like the Chasind and Avvar who exist independently of everyone. The Elves are varied between the City Elves, the Dalish and some remaining Ancients. The Dwarves have the traditionalists, nobles and casteless of Orzammar, the mysterious remnant in Kal-Sharok, while the Surface Dwarves are divided between those who've gone native, the ultra-conversative Kalnas, the Merchant Princes, the surface Carta or the Ascendants from Orzammar. Finally we have the differences betwen the Qunari, the Tal-Vashoth rebels or the Vashoth.

 

I'd say the Dwarves have the most variety in terms of which group (or groups) they fall into. Compare Varric to his brother Bartrand and we have a nice little microcosm of the state of dwarves in Thedas; Varric is a non-traditional dwarf who was born on the surface and has gone completely native, while Bartrand is still a tradtionalist and ultra-conservative exile from Orzammar through and through.

[Boost32]

Why not talk about Anders? It's totally linked. He's the second major character in the game (I think).
 
As for the Gallows, I know it's a disgrace. I'll side with the mages myself, but I don't need to attack neutral parties to make my point. I link that sentiment to Anders because that's exactly what Anders' fans always do. They don't just blame Meredith and Orsino, but Elthina as well. 
 
In the end though, the game itself is neutral, and we're just left feeling like Hawke didn't accomplish anything him/herself either. Hawke is no more competent than Elthina.

My Hawke (excluding the dlc) was prety competent.

[thesuperdarkone2]

No, the whole situation in Kirkwall itself made it clear that the management didn't know what the **** they were doing. Elthina herself liked to preach a lot, only for her passivity to end up harming everyone, mage and non-mage.

Samson's story makes it even worse when it reveals that she knew Maddox was made tranquil for passing a love letter and Elthina didn't even punish Meredith

[Sifr]

 

We haven't had much of traditional dwarves for the last two games. 

 

Well, we've not been to Orzammar since then, so it's to be expected. I suppose the other reason we've had a lot of Surface Dwarves in DA2 and DAI was to try to counterbalance how the huge section in Orzammar in Origins easily eclipsed the absolutely tiny presence of Surface Dwarves elsewhere in Ferelden, which seemed to be relegated to one or two merchants here and there.

 

[Boost32]

How? They don't even like being Champion or a leader by the time DAI comes around. The whole DA2 story is just a clusterfuck (but a fun one). And made even moreso because Hawke didn't get their due by becoming the Inquisitor. That would have at least given the tragedy some meaning.

In DAI he is not my Hawke anymore.
In act 1 he went to a expedition in the Deep Roads to become rich.
In act 2 he sided with Petrice and Ser Vernel to start a war against the Qunari, after that he slaughtered them all (so he succeded).
In act 3 he sided with the templars to become the Viscount and save his sister, and he succeded.

[Master Warder Z_]

I liked it that way though.

I also liked that the criminal world consisted more than just the Carta then too. I'd rather play a human with those origins (the ever requested Human Commoner story... when is that going to happen ).

Likely never.

Given learning whatever player craft you choose isn't cheap and commoners are in fact common so lack the resources to bother with such things.

[Master Warder Z_]

And he ran off from becoming Viscount... because he heard an Expansion called the Exalted March was coming.

Except it didn't, and the Inquisitor stole his content.

I feel like someone should clip together that "You bastard I'm going to kill you line" via aggressive male hawke and have the Inquisitor go "well ****" and then be beheaded

[Boost32]

And he ran off from becoming Viscount... because he heard an Expansion called the Exalted March was coming.

Except it didn't, and the Inquisitor stole his content.

The codexes says he still the Viscount and one states his absence is temporarily, so he will come back... One day... Maybe...

[Boost32]

Oh does it? Well, that's something. I wonder who's running it in his stead. That snooty Seneschal?

Yep.

http://dragonage.wik...ate_of_Kirkwall

[The Baconer]

I never had that much of a problem with the Circle system to begin with. I have a problem with abuse specifically. If push comes to shove, I'm going to help mages, but I don't think this drama had to happen. Injustices can be corrected in many ways. You don't need to blow up innocents to do it. I mentioned Anders because he did it merely because he can't cope with how the world works. He didn't do it out of some sense of justice. Elthina is just like most people and just wants to make the right steps. She knows things need to be done.

 

Again, you're talking about Anders in regards to a situation that has nothing to do with him; no one is saying that blowing up the Chantry "had" to happen. Stop talking about Anders.

 

The point of importance is that when people who work in the system step back and wonder "wow, how did things get this bad" when thinking of the mage/Templar situation or Kirkwall in particular, it's because of the do-nothing, ignorance-is-bliss, hands-off approach the Chantry took to the situation, which is something Elthina encapsulated as well.

[Sifr]

 

I also liked that the criminal world consisted more than just the Carta then too. I'd rather play a human with those origins (the ever requested Human Commoner story... when is that going to happen ).

 

Wasn't Hawke the Human Commoner origin given it's own game? We seriously worked for some sketchy people during DA2, especially in the first act when we're still a penniless mercenary who can't afford to turn down most jobs they are given.

 

 

[Master Warder Z_]

Wasn't Hawke the Human Commoner origin given it's own game? We seriously worked for some sketchy people during DA2, especially in the first act when we're still a penniless mercenary who can't afford to turn down most jobs they are given.

Pity we never got in on the flesh trade to Tevinter.

A 100 sovereigns a head?

Cha ching!

$...$

[Boost32]

Pity we never got in on the flesh trade to Tevinter.
A 100 sovereigns a head?
Cha ching!
$...$

You could sell Fenris to a magister.

[Lulupab]

Again, you're talking about Anders in regards to a situation that has nothing to do with him; no one is saying that blowing up the Chantry "had" to happen. Stop talking about Anders.
 
The point of importance is that when people who work in the system step back and wonder "wow, how did things get this bad" when thinking of the mage/Templar situation or Kirkwall in particular, it's because of the do-nothing, ignorance-is-bliss, hands-off approach the Chantry took to the situation, which is something Elthina encapsulated as well.

This is exactly my thoughts. He talks about Anders because he thinks it was some accidental possession. But Anders was made by the system, a laid back mage that wanted to help most of the time was hunted and tormented all his life and once he became a warden, a very hard life to escape it all, the system didn't leave him and an spy was sent to grey wardens. The system made Anders, and it exploded on their face, quite literally.

What Anders did was not justified, but he was abused enough to attempt vengeance on the system.

As for Elthina, sometimes inaction is a greater crime than action. That perfectly applies to Elthina.

[Master Warder Z_]

You could sell Fenris to a magister.

Bah!

One punny transaction, no I mean the profession.

Why not be a slaver, its the most profitable bit of mercantile exchange with Tevinter

[Lulupab]

Ugh selling Fenris is just too evil, I disliked his brooding with passion, but that is why rivalry exists. You can tell him to shut up.

 

The worse thing I ever did to Fenris was I slept with him and told him the sex was bad and moved in with Anders. His tears.