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So for the moment it is headcannon until the final DLC ? Dammit Weekes, release is naow ! I don't want to be just stuck with Josie if I want a good romance ending.

If you want a good romance ending, don't make her Divine. If she becomes Divine, both the Inquisitor and her will just suffer from their separation, and Cassandra will have to fight a shadow war. Leliana ushers in a golden age (I thnk the main problem with her Chantry will come out once the Qunari invade), Viv is just more civil war.



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If you want a good romance ending, don't make her Divine. If she becomes Divine, both the Inquisitor and her will just suffer from their separation, and Cassandra will have to fight a shadow war. Leliana ushers in a golden age (I thnk the main problem with her Chantry will come out once the Qunari invade), Viv is just more civil war.

 

How does one go about justifying allying with the Rebel Mages ? My character is a human male mage. He is an Aequitarian mage and he thinks that the Rebel Mages must not walk away scott free. I mean they let Tevinters enslave them, they let Tevinters drive out a Ferelden noble from his own castle which is tantamount to a declaration of war, Tranquils were killed and their skulls used for magical devices, etc.

 

So if I conscript the Rebel Mages, Leliana is an excellent choice but it is almost impossible to get Leliana as a Divine when you conscript the mages unless if you do not recruit Vivienne. I also plan to kill off Gaspard and runite Celene and Briala.



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If you want a good romance ending, don't make her Divine. If she becomes Divine, both the Inquisitor and her will just suffer from their separation, and Cassandra will have to fight a shadow war. Leliana ushers in a golden age (I thnk the main problem with her Chantry will come out once the Qunari invade), Viv is just more civil war.

The only "golden age" ending is the one with Cassandra as Divine.

And Vivienne is a good Divine, she crushes the opposition with or without the Inquisition.

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I need a clarification: Does Cassandra break up with you if you make her the Divine ?

 

I am doing a playthrough right now and I want my character to romance Cassandra but I also want to make her the Divine (since I conscripted the mages and I believe that Cassandra is the best option for Divine) and have her reform the Seekers.

 

From the YouTube videos, it appears she breaks off the relationship if she becomes Divine ?

 

Is there no way to rekindle it ? Is the Inquisitor single post game ? Or will there be something still going on between him and Cassandra, just not official ?

 

I didn't really see the whole she breaks it off thing. Sure, her becoming Divine makes things complicated, but there is nothing saying that the Divine cannot be romantically involved with someone. Considering the Divine is chosen with the help of the Inquisition, both the Chantry and the Inquisition will likely be quiet close, regardless whether or not our PC's will it or not. So, naturally, they will see each other. And the Inquisition has Advisors that can handle almost everything. I'm sure the Inquisitor can slip away for a few days, maybe a week. Maybe a month if nothing major is really happening in the world that needs his attention.



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How does one go about justifying allying with the Rebel Mages ? My character is a human male mage. He is an Aequitarian mage and he thinks that the Rebel Mages must not walk away scott free. I mean they let Tevinters enslave them, they let Tevinters drive out a Ferelden noble from his own castle which is tantamount to a declaration of war, Tranquils were killed and their skulls used for magical devices, etc.
 
So if I conscript the Rebel Mages, Leliana is an excellent choice but it is almost impossible to get Leliana as a Divine when you conscript the mages unless if you do not recruit Vivienne. I also plan to kill off Gaspard and runite Celene and Briala.

If you conscript the mage and reunite Celene with Briala, Vivienne will be your Divine, unless you dont recruit her.

If you want Leliana as Divine and conscript the mages, you will need a lot of metagaming.

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How does one go about justifying allying with the Rebel Mages ? My character is a human male mage. He is an Aequitarian mage and he thinks that the Rebel Mages must not walk away scott free. I mean they let Tevinters enslave them, they let Tevinters drive out a Ferelden noble from his own castle which is tantamount to a declaration of war, Tranquils were killed and their skulls used for magical devices, etc.

 

So if I conscript the Rebel Mages, Leliana is an excellent choice but it is almost impossible to get Leliana as a Divine when you conscript the mages unless if you do not recruit Vivienne. I also plan to kill off Gaspard and runite Celene and Briala.

You don't have to ally with anyone to get Leiana as Divine, many people have done so, you just have to be clear with both Viv and Cass that the status quo is silly becuase it has already led to civil war, and idealism is just a pipedream.



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The only "golden age" ending is the one with Cassandra as Divine.

And Vivienne is a good Divine, she crushes the opposition with or without the Inquisition.

 

Vivienne is the female version of Littlefinger. Giving her positions of power is simply a bad idea. She hoards it all to herself.

 

The reason I think Cassandra makes for a good Divine is because she does not care for political power. She does what she does because of her morals and her faith. People who are best suited to positions of power are those who do not actively seek out power at any cost. Cassandra is such a person.



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I didn't really see the whole she breaks it off thing. Sure, her becoming Divine makes things complicated, but there is nothing saying that the Divine cannot be romantically involved with someone. Considering the Divine is chosen with the help of the Inquisition, both the Chantry and the Inquisition will likely be quiet close, regardless whether or not our PC's will it or not. So, naturally, they will see each other. And the Inquisition has Advisors that can handle almost everything. I'm sure the Inquisitor can slip away for a few days, maybe a week. Maybe a month if nothing major is really happening in the world that needs his attention.


Yes there is, the Divine and every other Chantry member (excluding the lay brother/sister) are married to the Maker, so they cant have another person (at least not in public).
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The only "golden age" ending is the one with Cassandra as Divine.

And Vivienne is a good Divine, she crushes the opposition with or without the Inquisition.

Softened Leliana's ending slide, says "golden age" in it, Viv turns into a totalitarian dictator and her own inner circle is fracturing, Cassandra faces "the great divide" where her chantry is looking to break into denominations.



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Vivienne is the female version of Littlefinger. Giving her positions of power is simply a bad idea. She hoards it all to herself.
 
The reason I think Cassandra makes for a good Divine is because she does not care for political power. She does what she does because of her morals and her faith. People who are best suited to positions of power are those who do not actively seek out power at any cost. Cassandra is such a person.

Not in the mood to discuss Vivienne here, still she is a good Divine.

And thats why I dont think she will be a good Divine, politics and religion mix together in Dragon Age, she will have a hard time without being a politician.

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Vivienne is the female version of Littlefinger. Giving her positions of power is simply a bad idea. She hoards it all to herself.

 

 

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Not in the mood to discuss Vivienne here, still she is a good Divine.

And thats why I dont think she will be a good Divine, politics and religion mix together in Dragon Age, she will have a hard time without being a politician.

 

Could always headcanon that the Inquisitor and the Inquisition takes up the Knight's Divine position :P



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Softened Leliana's ending slide, says "golden age" in it, Viv turns into a totalitarian dictator and her own inner circle is fracturing, Cassandra faces "the great divide" where her chantry is looking to break into denominations.

 

It all depends on whether you conscript the mages or not, except in Vivienne Littlefinger's case.

 

Anyway, is there are rational reason why I should ally with the mages ? Or should I conscript the mages and just not recruit Vivienne ? I don't go to the Templars because logically speaking, having an enemy for in Redcliffe is a far more pressing concern than in Therinfal Redoubt because Redcliffe is closer to Haven.



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Softened Leliana's ending slide, says "golden age" in it, Viv turns into a totalitarian dictator and her own inner circle is fracturing, Cassandra faces "the great divide" where her chantry is looking to break into denominations.

Nope, only Cass:
A new sect arises, demanding a return to the status quo on threat of war.
With the Inquisitor's assistance, negotiations end peacefully, and few concessions are made.
Strength and unity within the Chantry are restored in the months following. A golden age - if it can last.

http://dragonage.wik...ue_(Inquisition)

And those bad things only happens with low approval, even Leliana has a ending where she ends being a failure as Divine.

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Yes there is, the Divine and every other Chantry member (excluding the lay brother/sister) are married to the Maker, so they cant have another person (at least not in public).


So they're just supposed to forego any and all forms of romantic love simply because the Chantry says so? Guess what. Cassandra is the Chantry now. A simple wave of her hand and it will be done.

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It all depends on whether you conscript the mages or not, except in Vivienne Littlefinger's case.
 
Anyway, is there are rational reason why I should ally with the mages ? Or should I conscript the mages and just not recruit Vivienne ? I don't go to the Templars because logically speaking, having an enemy for in Redcliffe is a far more pressing concern than in Therinfal Redoubt because Redcliffe is closer to Haven.

If you want to conscript the mages, reunite Celene and Briala and dont want Viv as Divine, then its better for you to not recruit her.

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So they're just supposed to forego any and all forms of romantic love simply because the Chantry says so? Guess what. Cassandra is the Chantry now. A simple wave of her hand and it will be done.


With the exception I doubt she would do that, but as the writers said "just headcanon that".

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It all depends on whether you conscript the mages or not, except in Vivienne Littlefinger's case.

 

Anyway, is there are rational reason why I should ally with the mages ? Or should I conscript the mages and just not recruit Vivienne ? I don't go to the Templars because logically speaking, having an enemy for in Redcliffe is a far more pressing concern than in Therinfal Redoubt because Redcliffe is closer to Haven.

There is no "rational" reason to ally with either of the two factions, because both were two sides in a bloody civil war that destabilized the South, and left Justina open to attack. Bioware's writers dropped the ball with the reasoning you can use to justify the choice of conscription, over alliance.

Try not recruiting Viv, you have two other mages anyway, I know that I would pick Dorian over Viv any day.


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I thought with Vivienne, all you had to do was not mention she could be Divine to her.

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I thought with Vivienne, all you had to do was not mention she could be Divine to her.

 

No it does not work that way sadly. I would love for the game to work that way but it does not. The Divine election is dependent on the choices you make and things you say in game, not how you feel about them.

 

If you conscript mages, you get significant boost to Vivienne and some boost to Leliana. If you ally with Templars you get a significant boost to Cassandra and some boost to Vivienne. And so on.

 

Here is the Wiki detailing this: http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election



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I thought with Vivienne, all you had to do was not mention she could be Divine to her.

No, that does not always work, you can still mess it up and wind up with her as Divine if you are not careful.



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So they're just supposed to forego any and all forms of romantic love simply because the Chantry says so? Guess what. Cassandra is the Chantry now. A simple wave of her hand and it will be done.


I don't think Cassandra is the type to do that.

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That doesn't make sense. The only reason why Vivienne is a candidate is because of the Inquisitor. The Chantry wouldn't take a mage as a candidate without some outside influence, and the only way they'd get that is with the backing of the Inquisition, which you can avoid by simply not giving Vivienne the idea.

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I don't think Cassandra is the type to do that.


She wanted change. She didn't want everything to stay the same, including how the Chantry goes about things. If she is going to change the Chantry, what reason is there for her to not make that change as well? I don't see one, and tradition isn't exactly an excuse because she's changing some anyway.
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She wanted change. She didn't want everything to stay the same, including how the Chantry goes about things. If she is going to change the Chantry, what reason is there for her to not make that change as well? I don't see one, and tradition isn't exactly an excuse because she's changing some anyway.

 

That is why this upcoming DLC important...not just to the fans of The Egg but fans of Cassandra as well. I want closure.