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#4501
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She wanted change. She didn't want everything to stay the same, including how the Chantry goes about things. If she is going to change the Chantry, what reason is there for her to not make that change as well? I don't see one, and tradition isn't exactly an excuse because she's changing some anyway.


It's different. It would be a change for purely personal reasons, not for the good of Thedas.

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It's different. It would be a change for purely personal (and selfish) reasons, not for the good of Thedas.


Who's to say it's a selfish reason? She's freeing all of those Chantry people so that they can go and get some much needed sex. I'm sure most, if not all will be thrilled by that prospect. :P

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That doesn't make sense. The only reason why Vivienne is a candidate is because of the Inquisitor. The Chantry wouldn't take a mage as a candidate without some outside influence, and the only way they'd get that is with the backing of the Inquisition, which you can avoid by simply not giving Vivienne the idea.

It's a video game, and I think Bioware's writers are drunk 75% of the time so...


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#4504
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Who's to say it's a selfish reason? She's freeing all of those Chantry people so that they can go and get some much needed sex. I'm sure most, if not all will be thrilled by that prospect. :P


I edited that out but yes, when she has a Nation to worry about yet one of her first decrees is going to be "I'm gonna bang", it would be seen as selfish.

I don't think she is the type to put her personal wants above the needs of Thedas.

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It's a video game, and I think Bioware's writers are drunk, stoned and on LSD 75% of the time so...

 

There, Fixed it for you.

 

On a more cheerful note, does anyone recall the book titled "Hessarian's Spear" ? The book Isabela and Bethany talks about in DA2.

 

 

Would Cassandra read this book ? Would she enjoy it ?



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I edited that out but yes, when she has a Nation to worry about yet one of her first decrees is going to be "I'm gonna bang", it would be seen as selfish.
I don't think she is the type to put her personal wants above the needs of Thedas.


She could slip it in among all the other changes. No one would be none the wiser. C'mon! This is Cassandra! The woman who isn't afraid of politicians. The woman who's desire is to swept of her feet. I think she would do it. Maybe not as the first thing, of course but somewhere down the line, definitely.

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"I do have a selection of vids detailing the sexual relations between organics... and synthetics."

"No! No no no, you can't even... NO! Ah... okay, fine. Send it my way.

"Ew."



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She could slip it in among all the other changes. No one would be none the wiser. C'mon! This is Cassandra! The woman who isn't afraid of politicians. The woman who's desire is to swept of her feet. I think she would do it. Maybe not as the first thing, of course but somewhere down the line, definitely.


And she is the same woman who would never put selfish desires above her work.

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And she is the same woman who would never put selfish desires above her work.


It's not really selfish though. It's bringing those people into a new era. The Chantry has remained somewhat the same for 900 years. It's about time something so simple as a relationship shouldn't be kept out of reach for the most faithful.

And besides that, what actual harm is there in doing it?

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There, Fixed it for you.

 

On a more cheerful note, does anyone recall the book titled "Hessarian's Spear" ? The book Isabela and Bethany talks about in DA2.

 

 

Would Cassandra read this book ? Would she enjoy it ?

I don't think she is into porn novels no. lol I think what Cassandra calls smutty does not match what gamers picture 'smutty' as meaning in their heads. lol I think that Cassandra likes both hard boiled fiction, and saccharine romance novels where confessions of love, flowers, kisses, and caresses abound on each page. lol



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She could slip it in among all the other changes. No one would be none the wiser. C'mon! This is Cassandra! The woman who isn't afraid of politicians. The woman who's desire is to swept of her feet. I think she would do it. Maybe not as the first thing, of course but somewhere down the line, definitely.


Even if it would mean that she wouldn't be living up to the standards of being Divine, of her faith? That she wouldn't hold herself to the same standards as her predecessor; a woman that she admired greatly?

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Wow, you guys are actually talking about Cass... I jumped in expecting some derail. ;)


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It's not really selfish though. It's bringing those people into a new era. The Chantry has remained somewhat the same for 900 years. It's about time something so simple as a relationship shouldn't be kept out of reach for the most faithful.

And besides that, what actual harm is there in doing it?

She is simply not the type to do it. She is 'married to the chantry/maker'. Leilana does it becuase she has become so jaded (and is changing everything anyway), she simply refuses to let the chantry take the Warden away from her.



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Wow, you guys are actually talking about Cass... I jumped in expecting some derail. ;)


Crazy, isn't it? :P

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Even if it would mean that she wouldn't be living up to the standards of being Divine, of her faith? That she wouldn't hold herself to the same standards as her predecessor; a woman that she admired greatly?


Whom also wanted to change things. She just couldn't because of the current situation. Now with the Inquisitions backing, changes can be made. The previous Divine wanted to loosen the leash on the mages, and wanted to turn the Chantry back into something that helped the people, and not just tell them how to live. Cassandra also wants the same of the Chantry. Helping people. Not governing them. You can do this, you can't do that. She doesn't want that. I see no reason why it can't stretch to the people who spread the Chant as well.

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Yes, Cassandra wouldn't do it.

 

Of course, an argument could be made that Andraste had a mortal husband and two daugthers by him.

Or maybe they intrepret it as relationships being forbidden for members of the clergy because it was her mortal husband who betrayed her out os jealousy.



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I don't think Cass would change that. As much as I like to imagine an Inquisitor breaking into the Divine's quarter's and changing her mind.

 

To me, it seems the only way you'll be happy (romance wise) is embracing the Inquisitor role and reorganizing the Chantry drastically (Leli/Viv divine). But at the same time, that's pretty damn bold. In her mind, you only have the authority to do this is because you're blessed. Which is just another thing that hovers over the romance later, if you think about it. You'll owe even your romance to divine intervention (real or not).



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Yes, Cassandra wouldn't do it.

 

Of course, an argument could be made that Andraste had a mortal husband and two daugthers by him.

Or maybe they intrepret it as relationships being forbidden for members of the clergy because it was her mortal husband who betrayed her out os jealousy.

 

The last part is exactly why they forbid it.



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Whom also wanted to change things. She just couldn't because of the current situation. Now with the Inquisitions backing, changes can be made. The previous Divine wanted to loosen the leash on the mages, and wanted to turn the Chantry back into something that helped the people, and not just tell them how to live. Cassandra also wants the same of the Chantry. Helping people. Not governing them. You can do this, you can't do that. She doesn't want that. I see no reason why it can't stretch to the people who spread the Chant as well.

Have you actually paid attention to what Cass' character is like? She isn't Leliana who doesn't care about what the close-minded want and will openly continue her relationship with the Warden. 

 

Cass' beliefs are that some reform is needed but not enough to shake the boat so to speak. The Divine is supposed to be celibate. Cass thinks that the Divine being in a relationship would be too much for the Chantry to handle. 

 

Thankfully, I never have to deal with this since Leliana is my Divine. Mage freedom, no more templars, and I get to be with Cass. I call that a win for everyone.


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#4520
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Whom also wanted to change things. She just couldn't because of the current situation. Now with the Inquisitions backing, changes can be made. The previous Divine wanted to loosen the leash on the mages, and wanted to turn the Chantry back into something that helped the people, and not just tell them how to live. Cassandra also wants the same of the Chantry. Helping people. Not governing them. You can do this, you can't do that. She doesn't want that. I see no reason why it can't stretch to the people who spread the Chant as well.


Heh, I don't think Chantry members having relations was on Justinia's to-do list. :P

The point being, such a notion of change would be prompted by purely selfish reasons and Cass is not a selfish woman. When one enters the chantry they give themselves over to it and the Maker, they are supposed to hold him above everything else. The divine is essentially "married" to the Maker, that is her relationship. She would literally being going against the the base foundations of her position. Cassandra is too faithful for such a thing.

It would mean that she is too weak a person to fulfil the role she has ascended to. She would not see herself as worthy if she couldn't even abstain from a romantic relationship. I think it would play on her conscience a great deal and I wouldn't want her to be living the rest of her life in guilt.

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The point being, such a notion of change would be prompted by purely selfish reasons and Cass is not a selfish woman.

Isn't that a pity?



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Isn't that a pity?

 

The only thing I find a pity (I know you didn't ask, but) is that this sort of constraint is on this game the most. The Warden and Hawke have simpler scenarios... even with the Warden slowly dying/searching for a cure now. 

 

Those characters are potentially more evil.. and yet they get more options in their personal lives. The Inquisitor is railroaded more into heroic acts (not entirely, but nowhere near as evil as the Warden), and yet they are presented with more conflicted situations on personal identity and happiness. The "good" gets punished. The evil run scott free. That's what's a pity. 

 

My 2c.



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My Inquisitor is very happy with his lover being the Lady Seeker, lost of adventure and bed time together.
And a good friend running the Chantry is just a plus.

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Whom also wanted to change things. She just couldn't because of the current situation. Now with the Inquisitions backing, changes can be made. The previous Divine wanted to loosen the leash on the mages, and wanted to turn the Chantry back into something that helped the people, and not just tell them how to live. Cassandra also wants the same of the Chantry. Helping people. Not governing them. You can do this, you can't do that. She doesn't want that. I see no reason why it can't stretch to the people who spread the Chant as well.

Cassandra wants to change the Chantry yes, however she wants to make it fit the founding ideals of the Chantry. Cassandra is unfortunately a hard conservative, through and through. The Romans had a very similar mentality; by Ovid's time they ranked their age with metals, the oldest age (the legendary 8th and 7th centuries) was the golden age "the age of justice and peace" pre-navigation. So those Roman intellectuals would argue that they should strive backwards lol. After Augustus and the early Empire, the Roman intelligentsia was always looking to be like the 'golden age of Augusts, PAX ROMANA' lol. Romans were always looking back, never ahead, Cassandra is exactly the same. Unsurprisingly, a regressive cultural and technological attitude did not work out for Rome in the end. The last golden age of Rome ended as soon as the crisis of the third century began, Cassandra (I would  predict) will have similar problems.


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My Inquisitor is very happy with his lover being the Lady Seeker, lost of adventure and bed time together.
And a good friend running the Chantry is just a plus.

 

It's cool in one light, but you just put a mage in control of the Chantry.

 

It could be a good idea... I really don't know. It requires a leap of faith. If it's simple to you, I wish I knew how to be that way.