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[Master Warder Z_]

Course with whose supporting this line of thought I'm not surprised by the ridiculous lengths gone to deny what the game plainly revealed in a fairly straightforward fashion.

[Andres Hendrix]

You calling someone a troll? That's sort of amusing.

Beyond that, Varric did lie, he did know where Hawke was, all of that's revealed in game, his personal reasoning being the only thing argumentative about the situation.

So in my eye an argument expressing what the game already revealed is pointless. Varric lied, there is no dispute, Cassandra didn't speak falsely in her accusations given Varric did exactly what she said he did.

He put his own interests above the Inquisition's and did in fact lie about doing it ergo nothing Cassandra stated was false.

So...arguing=pointless

There is an argument, I gave it, and you are ignoring it. As I said, full troll mode. lol

[Master Warder Z_]

There is an argument, I gave it, and you are ignoring it. As I said, full troll mode. lol

Covered that too in the post actually, his reasoning, its argumentive and pointless given Varric barely explains why he did it, so its fan perspective vs fan perspective= pointless to me.

I pointed out nothing she said was wrong, inaccurate or hyperbole, it isn't she's right its up to the individual to agree if his motivation was worth it or not.

So basically there isn't an argument here: its a statement of fact based on the narrative presented by Bioware Boyo.

[Master Warder Z_]

But if you want your assertion taken as more then Headcanon please get a dev to agree with you.

[Andres Hendrix]

Covered that too in the post actually, his reasoning, its argumentive and pointless given Varric barely explains why he did it, so its fan perspective vs fan perspective= pointless to me.

I pointed out nothing she said was wrong, inaccurate or hyperbole, it isn't she's right its up to the individual to agree if his motivation was worth it or not.

So basically there isn't an argument here: its a statement of fact based on the narrative presented by Bioware Boyo.

You did not 'cover it'; Cassandra admits that she did not explain what was going on to Varric. Not to mention Varric brings Hawke to the Inquisition anyway. Back in Kirkwall, she should not have started out  trying to intimidate Varric. It failed her, and her objective was lost. Moreover as Cassandra said, Hawke probably would have refused her offer anyway. Cassandra had no right to assault Varric, but going by your consistently silly persona, I'm sure you will screech to the high heavens that said assault is always justified. No reason other than because such a response fits a manic type of persona.

[SgtSteel91]

Eh, to me Varric made the right call not to tell Cassandra where my Hawke was. Cause then she would drag him to the Conclave and either he gets vaporized in the blast or he's made Inquisitor and either path probably wouldn't end well for Hawke.

[Andres Hendrix]

The Varric fan perspective is just that some people actually need "Bros" in their games, like Garrus and Varric. So they go out of their way to defend them, as if they are real friends. That's all it is.

Is that so? News to me. I see that during your time 'away' you did not exactly pick up any good reading habits as you obviously skipped over the entirety of what I wrote.

[Andres Hendrix]

You already lost me on how bad you thought her interrogation technique was. She just wanted the truth.. from the getgo to the end.

 

I like Varric, but when people go out of their way, I stop listening. He's popular.. I get it. But that's all I see going on here. An attachment.

Well then take your ritalin, it's quite simple, she tried to intimidate Varric, she stabbed the book and threatened to hurt and or kill him if he did not tell her what she wanted. This put Varric's guard up, as he thought that if he told her everything then he would put his friends (especially Hawke) in danger. Cassandra picked the wrong method, it failed her, and well, she seemingly has only one method of interrogation.

My uncle is a retired military police officer, he once told me that a good integrator makes the suspect feel like they can trust him, thus confide in him. Just threatening to harm or kill someone, very often will make people clam up, and make them more likely to lie to protect other people if other people are involved. 

[Master Warder Z_]

The Varric fan perspective is just that some people actually need "Bros" in their games, like Garrus and Varric. So they go out of their way to defend them, as if they are real friends. That's all it is.

Seems about right

[Shadow Quickpaw]

If they had found Hawke before the conlcave, odds are they would have been lynched (or tranquilized, if a mage). If not, Varric was right: he would have died at the conclave explosion. Afterwards wouldn't have been much better, as neither Hawke nor Varric knew it was Corypheous they were facing.

 

Considering all the crap Varric and co. had had to put up with from the Chantry, he had no reason to believe they wanted anything but ill for the people he cared about.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Varric liked the Chantry though... and actually defends them a bit if you side with the Templars.. Strangely. He's more uneasy about siding with mages.

Nothing really happened to scare him too badly anyways. They cut out all the Exalted March stuff, which would have made things more interesting maybe...and shaped his own opinions more.

If you sided with the mages in da2 he supports allying with mages

And that doesn't mean Varric would be ok with telling them where Hawke is so they could kill them

[Shadow Quickpaw]

He's Andrastian. That doesn't mean he likes the Chantry. Nor is he particularly welcome among them.

 

"His heart is virtuous. But he would never set foot in a Chantry."

[Andres Hendrix]

I'll give you that. I know a little about cops too. But she's not a cop. She's a medieval/fantasy truth seeker.... which is basically just an inquisitor by another name. 

 

In the end, it's all just supposed to be a fun game between the Seeker and the Liar. It just gets serious in this moment, because his lies do some harm.

She is a Seeker of Truth, interrogation is supposed to be part of her job, if not her expertise. Her method fails, and because of her particular dynamics she ends up forcing Varric into lying. Varric is not an evil person; he is as I said a Neutral Good sort, if Cassandra had made the stakes clear and approched Varric differently things probably would have gone better for her.

[SgtSteel91]

He supports both.. he's not a Fenris or Merrill or anything. He just says he's unsure if it's right... thinking they are defending dangerous people. 

 

I think it's also Hawke and the gang going up against the entire Kirkwall Chapter of the Templars and all but declaring war on the Chantry; probably the only time the odds are really against them getting out alive.

[Master Warder Z_]

._.

Brother Brukel-DAO

It's amazing how people forget about elven or Dwarf Templars and Dwarven Chantry Brothers .

The Chantry accepts everyone willing to acknowledge the Maker as the one true God of creation.

[Master Warder Z_]

Yeah, because this is suddenly for noobs or something, and can now be about racial tensions.. instead of the mage/templar war.

I blame the elves