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[Lulupab]

Well groomed facial hair is hot! Don't be a hater, Warder.

 

In my line of work, most men either clean shave or barely have stubble, which is more of a 5 o' clock shadow really.

 

Speaking of which, good to see fellow facial hair girl.

[Master Warder Z_]

Well groomed facial hair is hot! Don't be a hater, Warder.

 

Well, maybe.

 

I don't care for grooming it though so its easier to merely shave it all off.

[Boost32]

This is just me, but "some of their ideals"? They're backwater luddites who practice mass slavery and treat other people as subhuman when they don't conform to the Legion's beliefs and laws. And if you're a woman, you are effectively an animal to them, fit only for slave labor or being put into a breeding farm.
 
For a game that otherwise touted its factions as being different shades of grey, they almost went out of their way to make the Legion into irredeemable monsters with *zero* redeeming qualities. They want to emulate Rome, but they fail miserably and end up a parody of Rome, like how the early Christians viewed the Romans as oppressive despots.

I dont support them, if I (the player) was going to support any faction it would be Mr. House, his ideal is the only one in NV that I agree. I wouldnt want to be a Legion's citizen (but I sure wouldnt want to be one from NCR).
But I think the Legion is the most interesting faction in NV and one of the most original faction inna gaming history, they are a breath of fresh air in a time that developers want everything to be politically correct and make sure to not offended anyone (I'm looking at you Qun).

I have a lot of respect for what they accomplished, they seem to have the same lenght of territory as NCR, and they did in 34 years, while NCR neededmore than a hundred of years.They are vicious, brutal, merciless and extremely competent.
You say they dont have any redeeming qualities, I understand why you think it, but I dont judge them by the lens of a modern man. Their world was destroyed, the land was lawless and wasnt any way to bring some kind of civilization for those tribe without doing it by war. They must be doing something right if they can control a vast territory and no raiders dare to attack caravans that pass on their lands.
But I'm not a fool, the Caesar's Legionis doomed because of their dependence on Caesar (we can see how great the Legion is under Legate Lanius) and their idiot mindset os not relying on tech (I wonder how they will survive a plague into their ranks or a superior technological enemy like the Enclave or the Institute). And yes you are completely right about them being a parody of Rome, but there was no way for them tomever becoming something like Rome.

[o Ventus]

I dont support them, if I (the player) was going to support any faction it would be Mr. House, his ideal is the only one in NV that I agree. I wouldnt want to be a Legion's citizen (but I sure wouldnt want to be one from NCR).
But I think the Legion is the most interesting faction in NV and one of the most original faction inna gaming history, they are a breath of fresh air in a time that developers want everything to be politically correct and make sure to not offended anyone (I'm looking at you Qun).

I have a lot of respect for what they accomplished, they seem to have the same lenght of territory as NCR, and they did in 34 years, while NCR neededmore than a hundred of years.They are vicious, brutal, merciless and extremely competent.
You say they dont have any redeeming qualities, I understand why you think it, but I dont judge them by the lens of a modern man. Their world was destroyed, the land was lawless and wasnt any way to bring some kind of civilization for those tribe without doing it by war. They must be doing something right if they can control a vast territory and no raiders dare to attack caravans that pass on their lands.
But I'm not a fool, the Caesar's Legionis doomed because of their dependence on Caesar (we can see how great the Legion is under Legate Lanius) and their idiot mindset os not relying on tech (I wonder how they will survive a plague into their ranks or a superior technological enemy like the Enclave or the Institute). And yes you are completely right about them being a parody of Rome, but there was no way for them tomever becoming something like Rome.

 

Bandits and raiders don't mess with them because the Legion is even more ruthless than they are (also because of their size). Raiders will kill you and take your stuff. The Legion will crucify you and flay the skin from your body in the sweltering heat before letting you die on the crucifix, and then do the same to the rest of your town. On the off chance they take you prisoner, they'll either enslave you and force you to do backbreaking labor and fight in the gladiator ring (if you're a man) or they'll send you to a breeding farm and take away your humanity (if you're a woman) while still making you do the backbreaking labor. I would argue that that is not a sign of something that they're doing "right", but a symptom of the problem. It's rather telling when Caesar himself regards his men as little more than barbaric savages.

 

I hesitate to call them competent when they refuse the use of any and all technology more advanced than a pre-war Chinese AK for killing and football plates for armor. Not only are they wholly evil, but they're stupid. The very fact that they're as big as they are is an anomaly. Literally any other sizable organization should be able to defeat them with better tech. The Enclave and the Brotherhood in particular would have no problem at all. the NCR may have a bit of trouble since they don't have as much pre-war material to work with, but they aren't completely idiotic and are willing to use technology. If Mr. House gets hold of the Securitron army with the Platinum Chip, he could probably bring them down by himself. The Legion's mere existence is like a group of cavemen assimilating other cavemen into their ranks and then somehow growing large enoguh in scope to rival a legitimate military.

[Master Warder Z_]

Read what Sawyer said about Legion territory Ventus, its actually not as horrific as you make it seem.

 

Paraphrased from that very interview.

 

The general tone would have been what you would expect from life under a stable military dictatorship facing no internal resistance: the majority of people enjoy safe and productive lives (more than they had prior to the Legion's arrival) but have no freedoms, rights, or say in what happens in their communities. Water and power flow consistently, food is adequate, travel is safe, and occasionally someone steps afoul of a legionary and gets his or her head cut off. If the Legion tells someone to do something, they only ask once -- even if that means an entire community has to pick up and move fifty miles away. Corruption within the Legion is rare and Caesar deals with it harshly (even by Legion standards).

 

In short, residents of Legion territories aren't really citizens and they aren't slaves, but they're also not free. People who keep their mouths shut, go about their business, and nod at the rare requests the Legion makes of them -- they can live very well. Many of them don't care at all that they don't have a say in what happens around them (mostly because they felt they never had a say in it before the Legion came, anyway).

 

Pity we never got to cross the river to see it, but eh one day maybe.

[Boost32]

Bandits and raiders don't mess with them because the Legion is even more ruthless than they are (also because of their size). Raiders will kill you and take your stuff. The Legion will crucify you and flay the skin from your body in the sweltering heat before letting you die on the crucifix, and then do the same to the rest of your town. On the off chance they take you prisoner, they'll either enslave you and force you to do backbreaking labor and fight in the gladiator ring (if you're a man) or they'll send you to a breeding farm and take away your humanity (if you're a woman) while still making you do the backbreaking labor. I would argue that that is not a sign of something that they're doing "right", but a symptom of the problem. It's rather telling when Caesar himself regards his men as little more than barbaric savages.
 
I hesitate to call them competent when they refuse the use of any and all technology more advanced than a pre-war Chinese AK for killing and football plates for armor. Not only are they wholly evil, but they're stupid. The very fact that they're as big as they are is an anomaly. Literally any other sizable organization should be able to defeat them with better tech. The Enclave and the Brotherhood in particular would have no problem at all. the NCR may have a bit of trouble since they don't have as much pre-war material to work with, but they aren't completely idiotic and are willing to use technology. If Mr. House gets hold of the Securitron army with the Platinum Chip, he could probably bring them down by himself. The Legion's mere existence is like a group of cavemen assimilating other cavemen into their ranks and then somehow growing large enoguh in scope to rival a legitimate military.

There is no need to tell me what they can do, I know it. And again, I dont support them, I just find them interesting and respect what they accomplished. This is a game, if I make a playthrough siding with them, its in no way what I support in RL or what my views are.

If they conquered 87 tribes they are competent, but I agree with you on your opinion about their views on Tech. I dont know if Mr. House can wipe the entire Legion (the Securitron arent infinite) or the NCR (if they could, they should have already done it).

[o Ventus]

Read what Sawyer said about Legion territory Ventus, its actually not as horrific as you make it seem.

 

Paraphrased from that very interview.

 

The general tone would have been what you would expect from life under a stable military dictatorship facing no internal resistance: the majority of people enjoy safe and productive lives (more than they had prior to the Legion's arrival) but have no freedoms, rights, or say in what happens in their communities. Water and power flow consistently, food is adequate, travel is safe, and occasionally someone steps afoul of a legionary and gets his or her head cut off. If the Legion tells someone to do something, they only ask once -- even if that means an entire community has to pick up and move fifty miles away. Corruption within the Legion is rare and Caesar deals with it harshly (even by Legion standards).

 

In short, residents of Legion territories aren't really citizens and they aren't slaves, but they're also not free. People who keep their mouths shut, go about their business, and nod at the rare requests the Legion makes of them -- they can live very well. Many of them don't care at all that they don't have a say in what happens around them (mostly because they felt they never had a say in it before the Legion came, anyway).

 

Pity we never got to cross the river to see it, but eh one day maybe.

 

Their basic needs for food, water, and shelter are met, but they have no rights or freedoms of any kind and they die if they step out of line.

 

Tell me how that isn't as bad as I'm making it sound. About the only "good" thing coming out of it is stability, but that's only because the punishments are so draconian that nobody is willing to take any kind of risk.

[Master Warder Z_]

Really, the Legion gets a bum wrap because you get to see the wartime side of it, the military arm, but not the actual order, the stability that it has brought to its lands.

[Master Warder Z_]

Their basic needs for food, water, and shelter are met, but they have no rights or freedoms of any kind and they die if they step out of line.

 

Tell me how that isn't as bad as I'm making it sound. About the only "good" thing coming out of it is stability, but that's only because the punishments are so draconian that nobody is willing to take any kind of risk.

 

It's called, its a sight better then getting ripped to shreds by a deathclaw? 

 

Its about like Pearlmen said in the closing for the Legion- "Civilization, as unforgiving as it was, finally came to the Mojave." Its a militarized autocracy, you are of value only in so far as your value to the state. You rise and fall by that value, you work and your fed, there is no crime, there is no hazard beyond actually doing what you are told, when you are told.

 

You fail to do that? Well its no different then when you have something the NCR, House or Benny wants, they'd kill you all the same.

 

You can make yourself a good living there, that trader fellow is proof, allowed to travel and everything, and his trading house isn't even state sponsored, private enterprise, no ties to the Legion probably beyond just paying taxes. People place so much value on this notion of 'rights' in a world where the only 'rights' you are guaranteed is by how powerful your gun is and how far it can shoot. The Old World is dead, much as the NCR loves to tote that line, they have enough internal bullshit that you can still get shot in their territory by bandits or raiders, there is no stability other then what yourself can give yourself or what someone who takes the measures to ensure that protection will.

 

That's the Legion, the insurance that the species will survive and thrive in a broken and dead world filled with things and other people intent on killing everyone. You call it 'bad' I call it, a product of the era it was born in.

[Merela]

 

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[Andres Hendrix]

 

Source: http://enigmaticagen...in-her-hair-for

Cassandra, twenty years later, when her and the Inquisitor decide to...renew their wedding vows.

[Merela]

 

Source: http://corelda.tumbl...-corelda-fjalar

 

Just in case Fjal' needed another, even more personal reason to protect the world from Solas...

[Master Warder Z_]

Dwarves are infertile

[Merela]

Dwarves are infertile

 

Nope.

[Master Warder Z_]

Nope.

Yup

.-.

[Merela]

Yup

.-.

 

They have a low fertility rate due to the blight corruption, but they are in no way infertile. It only means they have to try harder.

 

EDIT: Praised be the Word of God.

 

Without getting into the "why" behind the elves-and-humans-produce-humans thing (which I've talked about before), I will talk about why we didn't deal with it in the game. Primarily it's because we didn't have room. There's a lot of things that exist in the Thedas world that we weren't able to get into in Origins -- part of it is due to limited resources, but part of it is also because to properly address it we'd need to do it justice. We were already introducing the races and their situations, and adding on the complexity of explaining something that does need explanation would... get us what, exactly? You can't play one of the "elf-blooded" (this is what humans with mixed parentage are generally referred to, though I imagine "half-elf" could also be used in a slanderous fashion), and trying to explain the presence of a small number of humans in the alienage (as a for-instance) would have diluted the story we were already going for. Trying to fit everything that exists into the world in one story, after all, isn't really feasible.

I'd like to get into it. I think it's a possibility that has the potential for good drama, and even allowing the player to be elf-blooded might be cool in the future. But like I said, I'd want to do it justice. If your view on it is that you wanted half-elves to be there, and their omission is a fault -- then so be it. I can't really argue with that except to say that we don't think they're required. As some people have mentioned, it's not a widespread thing. Many elves resist having human children for cultural reasons, and many elf-blooded children will live amongst humans as full humans simply because they can get away with it and hiding their heritage means not having to suffer for it -- from humans as well as elves. Some few might be public about their identity, and unwilling to leave their parents behind, but like I said that belongs in another story.

Incidentally, for half-dwarves the situation is a bit different. Dwarves aren't a very fertile race to begin with, and far less so when it comes to mating with humans and elves. In fact, it would be considered rare... rare enough that it's considered more of an oddity than a group of its own. The result is also less stigmatized... primarily because it's also less noticeable. You end up with what would appear to be a tall dwarf or a short human. That calls for a new model -- which we weren't going to get, even if we wanted to address such a rare case. Again, it's certainly something we could do in the future, though such a character would still be considered unusual.

I imagine for those who really like their half-elves that's not a very satisfactory answer, but I hope it offers some light on the why's and wherefore's.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

They have a low fertility rate due to the blight corruption, but they are in no way infertile. It only means they have to try harder.

EDIT: Praised be the Word of God.

Bow chicka wow wow.

[Merela]

Bow chicka wow wow.

 

[Master Warder Z_]

They have a low fertility rate due to the blight corruption, but they are in no way infertile. It only means they have to try harder.]

Sounds like their infertile (low fertility rate)

._.

I stand by what I said.

[Merela]

Sounds like their infertile (low fertility rate)

._.

I stand by what I said.

 

in·fer·tile

 (ĭn-fûr′tl)

adj.

1. Not fertile; unproductive or barren.

2. Biology

a. Not capable of initiating, sustaining, or supporting reproduction.

b. Not fertilized and hence incapable of growing and developing: infertile duck eggs.

3. Not capable of sustaining crops or vegetation: infertile land.

4. Unproductive or producing little: a path of research that proved infertile.

 

Considering dwarves are the only race in DA:O we see having babies, they're definitely fertile.

[Master Warder Z_]

in·fer·tile
(ĭn-fûr′tl)
adj.
1. Not fertile; unproductive or barren.
2. Biology
a. Not capable of initiating, sustaining, or supporting reproduction.
b. Not fertilized and hence incapable of growing and developing: infertile duck eggs.
3. Not capable of sustaining crops or vegetation: infertile land.
4. Unproductive or producing little: a path of research that proved infertile.

Considering dwarves are the only race in DA:O we see having babies, they're definitely fertile.

.-.

To one one hundredth of what humans do.


That's their fertility as described by DAO if your going to mention it.
One Dwarf for every hundred humans.

Sounds pretty damn infertile again to me.

[Merela]

.-.

To one one hundredth of what humans do.


That's their fertility as described by DAO if your going to mention it.
One Dwarf for every hundred humans.

Sounds pretty damn infertile again to me.

 

But they can have children, even with humans, so Fjal' and Cass having a baby isn't impossible. Even Gaider confirmed half-dwarves were a thing. A rare one, of course, but after all the things that happened during the main quest of DA:I, a baby won't make much difference.

[Master Warder Z_]

But they can have children, even with humans, so Fjal' and Cass having a baby isn't impossible. Even Gaider confirmed half-dwarves were a thing. A rare one, of course, but after all the things that happened during the main quest of DA:I, a baby won't make much difference.

Unless if he's one of the dwarves whose about as virile as a bag of stone, infertile again. Dying out, going extinct, or Cassandra isn't able...or the glowing radioactive mark on their hand for a few years made his testicles go '**** this' and crap out like my fanfiction depicted.

[Merela]

Unless if he's one of the dwarves whose about as virile as a bag of stone, infertile again. Dying out, going extinct, or Cassandra isn't able...or the glowing radioactive mark on their hand for a few years made his testicles go '**** this' and crap out like my fanfiction depicted.

 

Well, that's your headcanon. Mine's different, isn't it marvellous?

[Merela]

 

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