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#751
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Ha!

Right...

They clearly left out the sewer bit then huh?

The spirit had obviously taken over completely.

Lulu did, and you mean this:

 

https://books.google...gon age&f=false

 

Pretty sure anyone would be angered in this situation... you're kinda stretching here.

 

And anyway, she sacrificed herself by giving up said spirit in the end, which doesn't sound like someone possessed to me. She's sane. People breaking into rage under loss doesn't mean they're insane.



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The only blight more pathetic in truth was the 5th

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Getting angry over your son being imprisoned and most likely executed?

 

Practically bipolar ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

 

 

I went over the synopsis yes.

Ultimately its just that simple to me really,

 

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#754
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The only blight more pathetic in truth was the 5th

Pathetic, lol no, the blight was on a nonstop rampage across thedas, and they made that very clear in the book. They were constantly swallowing up nations. The 4th blight wasn't even war, it was fighting a force of nature.



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Right...this is the point were I sort of wonder why I even bother.

Your arguing speculative mental health of a fictional character possessed by a creature that can invoke irrational and total enforced behavior.

This is confirmed.

You brushing it off doesn't negate her mental state could and was impacted at the drop of a hat if her emotional state was disturbed.

That's not ideal mental health.

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Pathetic, lol no


Yeah...pretty much, good god it hadn't even been a decade and Thedas was supposedly on the "ropes"

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That's not ideal mental health.

You're speaking of hypotheticals. At best, she did something that anyone would have done, spirit or no spirit to make a case against mage sanity. You're not doing a very good job.



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Right...this is the point were I sort of wonder why I even bother.

Your arguing speculative mental health of a fictional character possessed by a creature that can invoke irrational and total enforced behavior.

This is confirmed.

You brushing it off doesn't negate her mental state could and was impacted at the drop of a hat if her emotional state was disturbed.

That's not ideal mental health.

 

I'm reminded of Cass trying to go full ham on Varric.


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I went over the synopsis yes.

Ultimately its just that simple to me really, the blight hadn't even gotten into full swing yet you have people purport to it being the end of Thedas if action hadn't been taken.

Really?

The closest the Blight ever came to success was the first and that was just century after century of the ****, humanity persisted across Thedas, even as the dwaevens crumbled below.

This was a near extinction level event boyo.

That was 12 years of bullshit.

The First Blight had a massive Tevinter Empire across most of Thedas that had a coordinated defense against the Blight. It was apocalyptic, but for all its faults, a decaying Tevinter Empire could handle that kind of threat.  As the Codex entries describe it, after the first few years, they settled into a war of attrition until they could figure out how to kill Dumat permanently.

The Fourth Blight had a massively divided Thedas failing to hold off the Blight. Antiva and much of the Free Marches were devastated. The Fifth Blight is the only one to never get into full swing. It's arguable whether the 'quick' death of Andoral was worth losing the griffons for future Blights, but they didn't know that when they made the spell. 

The griffons, bolstered by the spell, were able to take down Andoral. Grey Wardens had taken huge losses, as had every other force. The Archdemon was the lynchpin of the Blight, and very, very hard to take down. The blood-craze made the most of limited numbers. 


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#760
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Yeah...pretty much, good god it hadn't even been a decade and Thedas was supposedly on the "ropes"

Yes, because the grey wardens were down to three total, and there weren't many places left that could actually combat the darkspawn hordes. Unlike the 5th blight where at worst, ferelden would have fallen and the Orlesian grey wardens were still around to fight the darkspawn if you and Alistair failed.



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You're speaking of hypotheticals


No.

She did have a breakdown, it was caused by emotional unrest and the spirit was running the show.

Everything just said is pretty much yeah, what Gaidee put on page.

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No.

She did have a breakdown, it was caused by emotional unrest and the spirit was running the show.

Everything just said is pretty much yeah, what Gaidee put on page.

From what I just read, she still sounded like her to me, and anyway what does it matter, emotional unrest from a dead loved one, while maybe considered "temporary insanity" isn't something people use to say someone was an unstable individual...



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Yes, because the grey wardens were down to three total


But...

There were many more then three wardens at Ayesleigh

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But...

There were many more then three wardens at Ayesleigh

And they got killed in an ambush.



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From what I just read, she still sounded like her to me, and anyway what does it matter, emotional unrest from a dead loved one, while maybe considered "temporary insanity" isn't something people use to say someone was an unstable individual...


Non possessed people sure, but the fact is when the spirits took the reigns she was batso and it proved it could do that, therefore, all it would take is emotional imbalance and bam! It happens again, its the wider phenomenon that comes with spirit possession I've noticed.

Emotional instability.

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I'm gonna be an ******* and tell you guys that maybe.....

 

This conversation is dragging a bit. Anything else new?



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Non possessed people sure, but the fact is when the spirits took the reigns she was batso and it proved it could do that, therefore, all it would take is emotional imbalance and bam! It happens again, its the wider phenomenon that comes with spirit possession I've noticed.

Emotional instability.

It's almost like they act just like anyone else would, lol. You're making it sound like she could go ape **** with a simple moodswing, which you and everyone here knows is bs.



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And they got killed in an ambush.


Oh, and then the elf took his place in legend I'd assume? Anyway, was it deliberately said, that was all the Wardens in Thedas?

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I'm gonna be an ******* and tell you guys that maybe.....
 
This conversation is dragging a bit. Anything else new?

Ofc not, we already have discussed everything about Cass.

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It's almost like they act just like anyone else would, lol. You're making it sound like she could go ape **** with a simple moodswing, which you and everyone here knows is bs.


Except Anders did just that :/

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Oh, and then the elf took his place in legend I'd assume? Anyway, was it deliberately said, that was all the Wardens in Thedas?

They had command of all the remaining wardens, yes, and the only ones capable of touching the archdemon was the griffon riders, three of which were all that remained. The few remaining wardens that were left would have been wiped out with the rest of the remaining allied forces that still put up a fight while they were combatting the archdemon.

 

Except Anders did just that :/

Anders seeing someone being abused by templars is hardley a moodswing.



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Ofc not, we already have discussed everything about Cass.

 

Nothing new here either. I'm gonna get back to farming Haven. Yay. 



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They had command of all the remaining wardens, yes, and the only ones capable of touching the archdemon was the griffon riders, three of which were all that remained. The few remaining wardens that were left would have been wiped out with the rest of the remaining allied forces that still put up a fight while they were combatting the archdemon.
 

Anders seeing someone being abused by templars is hardley a moodswing.

WoT vol2 shows us that he wasnt mistreated by the templars. He only went to solitary after his seventh tantative of escape.

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I'd also like to note that Isseya went the extra mile and saved the Griffons from total extinction at the cost of her own health.



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Anders seeing someone being abused by templars is hardley a moodswing.


Uh...just being around Templars caused it; but the stimulus isn't the key here its the root cause.

Possession= increased emotional instability, insanity, etc

Also speculative.

If I recall right from what I had read of the book outline, that Dragon was going nowhere, it would have died that day, one way or another.

It was down a wing and was in the city surrounded by armies from all these nations supposedly too weak to fight back and Wardens.

So I'd say this is a Waterloo argument, if Napoleon had committed the heavy Calvary earlier he could have routed Wellingtons positions and forced a retreat.