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[Master Warder Z_]

I'd also like to note that Isseya went the extra mile and saved the Griffons from total extinction at the cost of her own health.

Undoing her own inept sorcery is the least she could do.

[Master Warder Z_]

WoT vol2 shows us that he wasnt mistreated by the templars. He only went to solitary after his seventh tantative of escape.

He always was a whinny one.

[Boost32]

I'd also like to note that Isseya went the extra mile and saved the Griffons from total extinction at the cost of her own health.

Fixing her own mistake is the minimun expected of her.
I dont think we should congratulate someone for fixing her or his own mistake.

[Colonelkillabee]

WoT vol2 shows us that he wasnt mistreated by the templars. He only went to solitary after his seventh tantative of escape.

I was referring to the girl they were abusing in DA 2.

 

 

Uh...just being around Templars caused it; but the stimulus isn't the key here its the root cause.

Possession= increased emotional instability, insanity, etc

Also speculative.

If I recall right from what I had read of the book outline, that Dragon was going nowhere, it would have died that day, one way or another.

It was down a wing and was in the city surrounded by armies from all these nations supposedly too weak to fight back and Wardens.

So I'd say this is a Waterloo argument, if Napoleon had committed the heavy Calvary earlier he could have routed Wellingtons positions and forced a retreat.

Except wynne wasn't possessed, considering she could give hers away. Anders and wynne are different cases. And anyway, who the hell wasn't going batty in Kirkwall anyway.

 

They'd have to push past the darkspawn horde first, and they didn't manage that until they killed the dragon, since they of course run underground in retreat after that. Besides, darkspawn have mages, I'm sure the dragon would have been fine in the event that Garahel and his sister failed.

[Caddius]

Uh...just being around Templars caused it; but the stimulus isn't the key here its the root cause.

Possession= increased emotional instability, insanity, etc

Also speculative.

If I recall right from what I had read of the book outline, that Dragon was going nowhere, it would have died that day, one way or another.

It was down a wing and was in the city surrounded by armies from all these nations supposedly too weak to fight back and Wardens.

So I'd say this is a Waterloo argument, if Napoleon had committed the heavy Calvary earlier he could have routed Wellingtons positions and forced a retreat.

The griffins managed to injure its wing, knocking down to the city. And then the last handful of Wardens and griffins were able to fly past the legions of darkspawn defending the wounded Andoral and kill it rather than relying on the ragged remnants of the army.

To be fair, part of the plan failed because the griffins were rabid and attacked Andoral without retreat. On the other hand, that was when they crippled his wing. *shrug*

[Colonelkillabee]

Especially if the grey wardens all died. All the dragon would have to do is die by some other means, then pop into another darkspawn.

[Boost32]

I was referring to the girl they were abusing in DA 2.

The same one who he tried to kill or killed aterwards?

[Master Warder Z_]

The griffins managed to injure its wing, knocking down to the city. And then the last handful of Wardens and griffins were able to fly past the legions of darkspawn defending the wounded Andoral and kill it rather than relying on the ragged remnants of the army.
To be fair, part of the plan failed because the griffins were rabid and attacked Andoral without retreat. On the other hand, that was when they crippled his wing. *shrug*

The five dollar fill up from KFC is a heck of a deal.

[Colonelkillabee]

The same one who he tried to kill or killed aterwards?

Indeed, lol. Though Wynne still never got to that point, and Anders is a different case entirely. Anders had many instances where he was unstable, while Wynne had one, and it took her son dying for it to happen.

[The Baconer]

If I recall right from what I had read of the book outline, that Dragon was going nowhere, it would have died that day, one way or another.

 

Good lord how do think it was brought to that point haha. You think she tainted the Griffons when the Archdemon was already crippled?

 

 

Fixing her own mistake is the minimun expected of her.
I dont think we should congratulate someone for fixing her or his own mistake.

 

You're free to congratulate her for the fact there's still a Thedas left for our Warden to save :>

 

 

Undoing her own inept sorcery is the least she could do.

 

Okay, Mr. "Hurr durr civies just don't understand"

[Master Warder Z_]

Indeed, lol. Though Wynne still never got to that point, and Anders is a different case entirely. Anders had many instances where he was unstable, while Wynne had one, and it took her son dying for it to happen.

I'd argue tainting the ashes could be counted as one or siding with the Templars or a few other cases were irrational emotion and behavior seem to interfere with her thinking.

[Master Warder Z_]

Good lord

Don't take his name in vain.



But no; hence why I said earlier another method could have been used to ground it.

Just because the author choose that one doesn't make it the only one, Riordan proved it only takes a good hit on the wing membrane and its worthless.

[Boost32]

Indeed, lol. Though Wynne still never got to that point, and Anders is a different case entirely. Anders had many instances where he was unstable, while Wynne had one, and it took her son dying for it to happen.

I agree about Wynne, just disagree about Anders going crazy was because of the templars.

And after that scene I dont know why Hawke does nothing to Anders, he was batsh*t crazy.
"Im going to kill every templar because they mistreat mages! Wait this mage is calling me a demon? Im going to kill her!"

[Master Warder Z_]

Anders was a drooling psychopath, I doubt any dispute that.

[The Baconer]

But no; hence why I said earlier another method could have been used to ground it.

Just because the author choose that one doesn't make it the only one,

 

Um, yeah, what the writer chooses pretty much determines the winning scenario of literally every conflict in this fictional franchise. Like, you must be just purposefully dense at this point.

 

Riordan proved it only takes a good hit on the wing membrane and its worthless.

 

Yes, Riordan, the guy whose plan was "Let's wait and hope this gargantuan flying creature decides to fly next to this tower for some reason, and that I can successfully jump on it (and disable it) without becoming a paste on the ground. Otherwise we'd just be down to literally two Wardens with nothing to show for it!"

 

Good thing the writer picked the perfect winning scenario in that situation. You know, over the multitude of other, much more likely possibilities.

[Boost32]

 
You're free to congratulate her for the fact there's still a Thedas left for our Warden to save :>

I could if it was what we were talking about.
You said as she fixing her own mistake was something to praise, I dont think so.

[Master Warder Z_]

Um, yeah, what the writer chooses pretty much determines the winning scenario of literally every conflict in this fictional franchise. Like, you must be just purposefully dense at this point.


Yes, Riordan, the guy whose plan was "Let's wait and hope this gargantuan flying creature decides to fly next to this tower for some reason, and that I can successfully jump on it (and disable it) without becoming a paste on the ground. Otherwise we'd just be down to literally two Wardens with nothing to show for it!"

Good thing the writer picked the perfect winning scenario in that situation. You know, over the multitude of other, much more likely possibilities.

Eh? You call me dense but purposefully miss my point? Okay boyo.

[Master Warder Z_]

I think he was fine by himself. He was possessed. Not psychotic.

He was all sorts of Mwuahaha about that bombing of his.

So I don't know...

[Boost32]

I think he was fine by himself. He was possessed. Not psychotic.

The Vengeance demon made him psychotic.

[MisterJB]

The strenght of the Archdemons appear to vary widly.

 

Hakkon was, supposedly, almost as strong as Dumat and yet, our party of four can kill it.

Andoral is written as nearly invincible without the super-griffons.

Riordan forced Urthemiel to land.

[The Baconer]

I could if it was what we were talking about.
You said as she fixing her own mistake was something to praise, I dont think so.

 

The Griffons' apparent extinction was the cost of allowing life to go on in Thedas... and yet, by her own efforts, the extinction that was used to slander her in this topic never actually came to pass. It's less "we should praise her for this" and more "get stuffed".

 

 

Eh? You call me dense but purposefully miss my point? Okay boyo.

 

Your point? Who cares about the theorycraft of a person who didn't even read the book?

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, if you side with Templars and keep him alive, he's back to (somewhat) normal and feels bad... and blames it on Vengeance. I believe him.

That's not my preferred way of handling him though. I usually just kill him. Whether I believe him or not doesn't matter. He can't be fixed.

Huh, is that the option you get if you romance him? Heard about that.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'd argue tainting the ashes could be counted as one or siding with the Templars or a few other cases were irrational emotion and behavior seem to interfere with her thinking.

If you count tainting the ashes then you'd have to include other non mages acting the same exact way in that instance. Siding with the templars also is a bit silly since in that case you'd have to be insane to not fight for your own survival... like the tranquil.