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[Master Warder Z_]

Your point?

Ja the thing you replied to and promptly ignored only to come back to it and insult it.

But...my point is there are always other in universe avenues of approach to any given situation.

Grounding a archdemon for example, and given that was the topic at present boyo and given you responded to it, I'd say you are just dismissing for the sake of dismissal.

[Master Warder Z_]

Oh, didn't know it was only romance.

But yeah, I pair my FemHawke with him. Can't resist the drama.

My femhawke romanced sebby o...o

[Master Warder Z_]

I think he's pretty cool actually. Kind of gets a lot of hate for some reason.

Probably because of the Chantry connections.

[Boost32]

Oh, didn't know it was only romance. 
 
But yeah, I pair my FemHawke with him. Can't resist the drama.

Its a rivalry option, if you have 100 of rivalry and did the Questioning Beliefs you can convince him that Vengeance is corrupting him and he should fight at the side of the templars to clean his mess.
He agrees but its left implicty he will kill himself after the fight.

[The Baconer]

Ja the thing you replied to and promptly ignored only to come back to it and insult it.

But...my point is there are always other in universe avenues of approach to any given situation.

Grounding a archdemon for example, and given that was the topic at present boyo and given you responded to it, I'd say you are just dismissing for the sake of dismissal.

 

I'm dismissing it because you are completely ignorant of the conditions in which the battle took place, and are thus incapable of discussing a viable alternative to any useful extent. This is clearly demonstrated by the suggestions you provided (Ballistae, lightning storm).

[Master Warder Z_]

I'm dismissing it because you are completely ignorant of the conditions in which the battle took place, and are thus incapable of discussing a viable alternative to any useful extent. This is clearly demonstrated by the suggestions you provided (Ballistae, lightning storm).

Eh? It was hovering over the bloody city brohan.

You figure a mage could ya know...look up.

And those suckers can be fired at a upward angle

[MisterJB]

If I remember the book correctly, the combined armies of Thedas were luring most of the Darkspawn to the gates of the city while the Griffon riders flew over them and engaged Andoral directly. To put it in DAO terms, it would be as if while the army was still at the gates of Denerim, we were flying straight to Fort Drakon to fight Urthemiel.

So, nothing but Grey Wardens around.

I do recall one mage trying a thunderstorm on it, the Archdemon barely feels it.

[Colonelkillabee]

Ja the thing you replied to and promptly ignored only to come back to it and insult it.

But...my point is there are always other in universe avenues of approach to any given situation.

Grounding a archdemon for example, and given that was the topic at present boyo and given you responded to it, I'd say you are just dismissing for the sake of dismissal.

You basically just said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that because it's a fictional setting, and because the authors can pull whatever bull**** they want out of their ass, that we shouldn't give Isseya her due as a very capable bloodmage and hero of the 4th blight.

 

That's. Crap.

[Master Warder Z_]

You basically just said, and I'm paraphrasing here, that because it's a fictional setting, and because the authors can pull whatever bull**** they want out of their ass, that we shouldn't give Isseya her due as a very capable bloodmage and hero of the 4th blight.

That's. Crap.

[Lulupab]

Blood magic... is magic. 90% of people with money are corrupt, same applies to blood mages.

 

the remaining 10% are sane, powerful mages and can be heroes indeed.

[Master Warder Z_]

If I remember the book correctly, the combined armies of Thedas were luring most of the Darkspawn to the gates of the city while the Griffon riders flew over them and engaged Andoral directly. To put it in DAO terms, it would be as if while the army was still at the gates of Denerim, we were flying straight to Fort Drakon to fight Urthemiel.
So, nothing but Grey Wardens around.
I do recall one mage trying a thunderstorm on it, the Archdemon barely feels it.

Hmmm

Then its a position the writer created themselves for that express purpose of the narrative, figured.

Give the reader no viable options and then some last minute of the final hour miracle on ice bullshit.

[The Baconer]

Eh? It was hovering over the bloody city brohan.

You figure a mage could ya know...look up.

And those suckers can be fired at a upward angle

 

The city that was completely lost to the Darkspawn, with the Archdemon being beyond the range of any archers or machines on the ground. Any mage present for the engagement was sitting atop a Griffin.

 

If you want your point to be taken seriously, stop proving me right.

[Colonelkillabee]

You do realize this can be abused. This isn't a valid argument, because like it or not, they made Isseya the only one who could have stopped the archdemon in this blight. The author chose this specific scenario.

[Boost32]

Blood magic... is magic. 90% of people with money are corrupt, same applies to blood mages.

the remaining 10% are sane, powerful mages and can be heroes indeed.

Blood magic is good as eating sh*t.
Nothing good cames from it and Thedas would be a better place without it.

[Master Warder Z_]

If you want your point to be taken seriously, stop proving me right.

If it was lost then why was fighting still ongoing in it? Clearly Thedosian forces controlled some of it, given they as you and colonel stated, the Wardens pushed in and were ambushed en route to the dragon.

Also the awesome forces of Orlais were present too

Just me but hmm, you usually expect ambush in uncontrolled territory, not territory you control...

So boyo your point seems to contradict itself.

[Master Warder Z_]

You do realize this can be abused. This isn't a valid argument, because like it or not, they made Isseya the only one who could have stopped the archdemon in this blight. The author chose this specific scenario.

You are more then welcome to believe that my friend.

[Caddius]

It does seem like there's some power discrepancy between the Archdemons, doesn't it?

Dumat was killed several times by armies, but I reckon before the Wardens were formed, he thought he was truly immortal, and so he was the tip of the spear, so to speak. His successors have played it safe, so the Wardens have had to play a game of chicken to get him to engage and kill him before he can respawn or retreat. (Made much easier by the mobility granted by griffins.) The Fifth Blight was kind of a fluke. There's the real-life explanation that the game couldn't really handle showing 3000 soldiers fighting Urthemiel at once, so Urthemiel is toned down, while the book has no such restrictions and treats the Archdemon Andoral as a positively godlike foe. Then there's the fact that many players must have shot Urthemiel with dozens and dozens of ballista bolts, which are nothing to sneeze at. 

And my personal favorite theory is that Urthemiel was an underleveled Bard that just liked writing and listening to music and designing architecture, while the other Archdemons were high-level min-maxers that loved to fight. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Urthemial was the drunken cousin you don't invite to feast day

[The Baconer]

Give the reader no viable options and then some last minute of the final hour miracle on ice bullshit.

 

You'll mention Riordan bringing down Urthemial as a viable alternative, and then say this without any shred of irony.

 

 

If it was lost then why was fighting still ongoing in it? Clearly Thedosian forces controlled some of it, given they as you and colonel stated, the Wardens pushed in and were ambushed en route to the dragon.

Just me but hmm, you usually expect ambush in uncontrolled territory, not territory you control...

So boyo your point seems to contradict itself.

 

There was no fighting going on in it. The proposed plan was to send the Griffin riders out beyond the reach of the ground forces, bait the Archdemon, and then fly back to where they would be able to receive support from the ground. However, Garahel fully intended it to be a suicide mission, so the riders bypassed the Darkspawn forces saturated on the ground for a final all-out attack on the Archdemon, ending with the last conflict over the Rialto Bay. Again, you try to speak with authority about an event you know nothing about.

[MisterJB]

Hmmm

Then its a position the writer created themselves for that express purpose of the narrative, figured.

Give the reader no viable options and then some last minute of the final hour miracle on ice bullshit.

 

The extinction of the Griffons was written long before the book.

[Master Warder Z_]

The extinction of the Griffons was written long before the book.

This true.

It was mentioned year one: DAO

[Caddius]

Blood magic is good for one thing. It cuts you off from the Fade... It's magic with a clear mind. Potentially.

 

 

Except you have to get that blood from somewhere... and it's usually not very nice.

That's what I don't get. Blood magic is said to attract demons, be taught by demons, etcetera. But it also supposedly weakens your connection to the Fade, and the magic itself is in the blood. And then you have blood magic being used en masse to enter the Fade physically. Either there's more complex rules operating beneath the surface, or somewhere something was rewritten. Or I'm just dumb. 

Urthemiel is the one that has the party-hard feastday, isn't he?