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She's probably not into assassinating the pope for the game of politics either... she might even think that's worse.



Overlord? Absolutely.


*snorts*

She approves if you kill Grand Cleric Iona, so if silencing one cardinal is no issue to her why not a pope if their replacement is better?

I think she'd see that the potential gains outweigh the cost.

Especially if results are gained.

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*snorts*

She approves if you kill Grand Cleric Iona, so if silencing one cardinal is no issue to her why not a pope if their replacement is better?

I think she'd see that the potential gains outweigh the cost.

Especially if results are gained.

 

*snorts*

 

Because it's not for a cause she would believe in. In addition, the pope who was assassinated was not a tangible threat to Cerberus in the same was Iona was to the Inquisition.



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*snorts*

Because it's not for a cause she would believe in


That's your assertion.

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That's your assertion.

 

No, it's not. Assassinating a person because they don't hate non-humans is not what Cassandra is about.



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No, it's not. Assassinating a person because they don't hate non-humans is not what Cassandra is about.


Whose to say what she would think after contact, non humans and humans have existed together for millennium in DA, but in ME their first act was one of aggression and conquest.

Their first act strikes me to resemble to her about the same way Thedas reacted to the Qunari invasion.

Beyond that boyo your assuming that she would view life beyond earth in the measure as of earth, its not like in DA where everyone lives in the country or continent together.

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Whose to say what she would think after contact, non humans and humans have existed together for millennium in DA, but in ME their first act was one of aggression and conquest.

Their first act strikes me to resemble to her about the same way Thedas reacted to the Qunari invasion.

 

That's just about how every race was first introduced to each other in DA, with literally only the Dwarves being the exception. And, again barring the Dwarves, it is by no means a harmonious existence.

 

 

Beyond that boyo your assuming that she would view life beyond earth in the measure as of earth, its not like in DA where everyone lives in the country or continent together.

 

Because the scope is completely different... "boyo". A large part of the human population can count themselves as life beyond earth, and often in the midst of non-humans.



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Because the scope is completely different... "boyo". A large part of the human population can count themselves as life beyond earth, and often in the midst of non-humans.


Post occupation of Shanxi yes.

That's not something like you cited that happened 500 or 1100 years ago.

Its within her lifetime, its something she could been present for, its about like growing up during the red scare or cold war and despising communism.

:P

That's my point boyo, unlike in DA you can be around for first contact and still be around by ME1, its not a long dead issue like humanity meeting with the elves.

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Post occupation of Shanxi yes.

That's not something like you cited that happened 500 or 1100 years ago.

Its within her lifetime, its something she could been present for, its about like growing up during the red scare or cold war and despising communism.

:P

That's my point boyo, unlike in DA you can be around for first contact and still be around by ME1, its not a long dead issue like humanity meeting with the elves.

 

Cassandra could be, what, not even an adolescent during the time of the First Contact War if she were transplanted into ME, for the sake of being active during the events of the game?

 

The reasons for racial tensions beyond the Turians and Batarians are immaterial, and even relations with Turians are steadily improving. She'd view the assassination of the pope as pointlessly detrimental and backhanded. She would also despise the seedy reasoning behind doing it for the same reasons she despises Orlesian political intrigue.



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The reasons for racial tensions beyond the Turians and Batarians are immaterial

...Considering her reaction to Kirkwall somehow I doubt she'd be that callow about it.

Not with first contact.

More then 600 humans died as a result of as Alien hostility, does that need to be compounded by a full scale invasion of earth to take issue with it? Of course not.

You say immaterial, I say its the material of interaction, its a concept humans are infinitely familiar with, war.

So yes I'd think after reading the post contact manifesto if offered, she'd join.

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 I hope there are Tethraghast moments in new story DLC...mnnnn Tethraghast...

 

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...Considering her reaction to Kirkwall somehow I doubt she'd be that callow about it.

Not with first contact.

More then 600 humans died as a result of as Alien hostility, does that need to be compounded by a full scale invasion of earth to take issue with it? Of course not.

 

What about her reaction to Kirkwall? Seriously, what are you even referencing here? Even after the Qunari attack, her interactions with a member of the Qunari Gestapo are quite accommodating. Beyond sense, even.

 

 

So yes I'd think after reading the post contact manifesto if offered, she'd join.

 

And what line of work do you think she'd be attracted to? The drug trafficking, or perhaps selling weapons to criminals? That just screams "Cassandra".



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What about her reaction to Kirkwall? Seriously, what are you even referencing here?


At the very beginning of the game she references the Mage Templar and Ander's terrorist attack on the Chantry, add in her reaction to the bloody conclave and its clear her reaction to massive body count actions is to seek punishment for those who perpetrate them.

She seemed honesty enraged in either situation.

And her uncharacteristic silence on bull isn't entirely...all so silent if you ask her advice and she speaks of the oxmen in question, its clear she holds no faith in his allegiance beyond crisis if that, same for Dorian, Sera, etc.

So she isn't some blind ball of love, tolerance and acceptance.

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At the very beginning of the game she references the Mage Templar and Ander's terrorist attack on the Chantry, add in her reaction to the bloody conclave and its clear her reaction to massive body count actions is to seek punishment for those who perpetrate them.

She seemed honesty enraged in either situation.

 

Yet, her rage is not projected at any generalized group in either event, let alone an entire race... or multiple races who weren't even involved with said event. In fact, this point injects quite a bit of irony to the idea that she would find Cerberus appealing on any level, as Cerberus has quite the body count themselves, with no shortage of humans among their victims.

 

And her uncharacteristic silence on bull isn't entirely...all so silent if you ask her advice and she speaks of the oxmen in question, its clear she holds no faith in his allegiance beyond crisis if that, same for Dorian, Sera, etc.

So she isn't some blind ball of love, tolerance and acceptance.

 

One doesn't have to be a blind ball of love and tolerance to oppose Cerberus. One doesn't have to be a blind ball of love and tolerance to dislike the idea of supplying slavers with weapons and pushing narcotics.



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as Cerberus has quite the body count themselves, with no shortage of humans among their victims.


And? So does the Chantry.

Its belief, Ideal and motivation that matter; and I personally find it amusing you think it so implausible that Cassandra, the right hand of the Divine and Seeker to boot would object to black operations.

If anything I'd say she wouldn't be a exact fit but that's why she wouldn't be in charge of questionable activities, necessarily but I do think the mindset, the idealogy would be a fit.

Maybe she'd run human relocation and or aid after alien attacks, or neutralizing batarian slaver cells which is something Cerberus does.

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And? So does the Chantry.

Its belief, Ideal and motivation that matter; and I personally find it amusing you think it so implausible that Cassandra, the right hand of the Divine and Seeker to boot would object to black operations.

 

Yes, and which two institutions does she feel the most strongly about overhauling? She even admits having trouble in deciding whether or not to rebuild the Seekers, and Cerberus is exponentially more scummy than the Seekers could ever dream of being.

 

It's not the operations' nature as black ops that Cassandra would take issue with, but the goals they are meant to fulfill: ideals and motivations in which Cerberus and Cassandra do not align.

 

 

Maybe she'd run human relocation and or aid after alien attacks, or neutralizing batarian slaver cells which is something Cerberus does.

 

Before or after they sell them guns? Probably after, so they can cycle them back into the market and double-dip on the profits!



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Could you put the picture under spoiler, AWTEW, please?



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Before or after they sell them guns? Probably after, so they can cycle them back into the market and double-dip on the profits!


You know it!

Running a organization like that isn't cheap.

Securing Humanities dominance isn't cheap, so many methods are needed to generate the massive income their goal requires.

Its not that much different from many nations in that regard.

That said Cerberus doesn't wish for collapse of Galactic Civilization as evidence by them preventing the assassination of the Citadel council.

No; profit is all well and good but that's only a means to a end.

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Is that Cassandra offering her book to Hawke?

Why isn't that a scene in game...

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Cassandra should have totally gotten them to autograph Tale of the Champion

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You know it!

Running a organization like that isn't cheap.

Securing Humanities dominance isn't cheap, so many methods are needed to generate the massive income their goal requires.

Its not that much different from many nations in that regard.

That said Cerberus doesn't wish for collapse of Galactic Civilization as evidence by them preventing the assassination of the Citadel council.

No; profit is all well and good but that's only a means to a end.

 

Yes, well, they can spin it however they like, even start to believe it themselves, but their methods have made them no great boon to humanity. Cassandra of all people wouldn't be fooled, and in fact, she has witnessed firsthand what happens when an organization goes completely off the rails while speaking of "the means to an end". It's how the Seekers got to where they were in Inquisition.



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Hawke's armor kinda looks good in white :P


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It's how the Seekers got to where they were in Inquisition.


Nooooope.

You can spew your irrational Seeker hatred all you like but it wasn't "means to a end" mentality or ideology that led to that.

It was a demon and a nutjob responsible for that charming turn of events.