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[Lulupab]

Justice or Anders has nothing to do with it. It's Vengeance. 

 

Anders is not evil. He's possessed. 

 

My rant above though is that possession itself, as an concept, is becoming a "benign" thing in this setting too. Even that has to have a "good" side now.

 

I'm getting tired of their compulsion to show a "good side" to the most disquieting sh*t. Spirits and Qunari especially. F*ck both of these things.

 

 

If you want to know why people side with Templars, it's because of this. We like a little normalcy and sanity. A little craziness is fun, but not going all out with it.

 

Yeah, he is possessed. We have a damn spirit as companion and an elven god too. Its no big deal. Thedas is a magical world.

 

Magic can't be made safe and any sort of view that Thedas is normal and sane is pretense. 

 

What Templars do to mages in name of security is almost lawful evil, and what some mages do in their opposition is chaotic good. The latter is usually the underdog and as such will gain the attention of much more fans.

 

Conscripting the mages is the most popular choice as far as I'm aware, followed by disbanding the Templars. Both alliances are the least favorite.

[Lulupab]

I'll agree with that in general.
 
But it's not the case here. Anders is possessed. And Justice was too stupid to adapt to this world in the first place. Literally stupid.

 

Well we are talking in context of Thedas, so as long as Anders randomly doesn't decide to kill someone walking beside him because "muhahah" that passes as stability. We are talking about a person that was able to successfully express human emotions, particularly love which he emphasizes a lot. More than other companions, his romance always seems like the most permanent and exclusive.

 

I'm not saying he is the most stable person in the world, no not even close. All I'm saying is the codex is believable in DA:I. They were building their way up to it since DA2 codex.

[Lulupab]

His expression of love is ridiculous... he's extremely needy and instantly wants to move in. It's why I liked Sarcastic Hawke's response after he confesses love. "Want a sandwich?"
 
It's embarrassing to watch.

 
I think his reaction is quite normal for someone who lives in sewers and doesn't make a single cent from the work he does there. 

 

Also doesn't he want to move in act 2? That means you were flirting around for a year, at least.

[katcrave]

I'm getting tired of their compulsion to show a "good side" to the most disquieting sh*t. Spirits and Qunari especially. F*ck both of these things

 

They established that possession had the potential to be benign with Wynne. The direction they are taking with Spirits doesn't bother me that much given it can fit within what they've done in the previous games. While a mutually beneficial relationship between spirit and possessed may not be common, it is certainly not impossible. Most of the codex entries throughout the previous games indicate a general lack of knowledge and the potential for quite a bit of "gray" on the subject. That, in and of itself isn't a bad thing. Although I do tire of how popular the "oh look, its just a different perspective" trope has become in media in general. However, I'm not convinced that it applies in this instance.

 

The Qunari are a completely different story however... sh*t went off the rails imo.

[Lulupab]

Depends on definition of "amusing" but I get it. Its too serious, the L word is used a lot and his romance breaks easily based on some decisions such as making a deal with Topor.

 

That's a trait you should like though, Anders is very anti-demon.

[katcrave]

Even Wynne was a freak. The Faith Spirit made her brain mush and inclined to tell Children's Stories and platitudes.

 

You can't blame the Spirit for her dementia.

[Master Warder Z_]

Killing innocent people in an act of terrorism?

I'd say he's pretty damn unstable. The fact that he wanted to do it, is what makes him so.

Unstable? The son of a ****** is sick.

Evil, Twisted, Demented, fucked up to the core.

His demented morality, his fucked up little evil brain somehow thought that blowing up a ****** church, killing Maker only knows how many when the debris and fired rained is somehow justified.

That his grandiose ****** soap box is worth killing hundreds initially and later thousands.

Even in Thedas they are bounds no man with a soul will cross, **** even lines the half animal Qunari won't cross but to even attempt justification for the unilateral slaughter of non combatants has only one classification.

Evil.

[Master Warder Z_]

You can't blame the Spirit for her dementia.

I can and will.

[Lulupab]

Unstable? The son of a ****** is sick.

Evil, Twisted, Demented, fucked up to the core.

His demented morality, his fucked up little evil brain somehow thought that blowing up a ****** church, killing Maker only knows how many when the debris and fired rained is somehow justified.

That his grandiose ****** soap box is worth killing hundreds initially and later thousands.

Even in Thedas they are bounds no man with a soul will cross, **** even lines the half animal Qunari won't cross but to even attempt justification for the unilateral slaughter of non combatants has only one classification.

Evil.

 

Stop preaching warder and make sound arguments.

 

I can easily turn this against you by replacing certain words because you support similar things. Stop viewing the world from a military perspective. It betrays every single human ideals. You cant condemn some aspects but when you support it add the ironic "necessary" word before it.

 

If you hate someone because of accident of birth, make them suffer, imprison them, blame them, tell them maker hates them, they will react to this. Its cause and effect. This is exactly why the previous system of controlling mages is FOREVER gone, reforms or dissolving is the only way.

[katcrave]

Maybe...but it seemed like this happened to her a long time ago. She said she was a rebellious teen... and then one day, transformed/or got overwhelmed in the Chantry... like a sense of peace came over her. Sounds like Faith taking over, the more I think of it. And these stories and advice she gives sounds like the simplistic things a spirit would gather from the dream world. Vague ideas about subjects it barely understands or delves deeply into. It's a better spirit than Justice and able to adapt in this world easier, but just as stupid as Justice was.

 

Conversely, Wynne would not have attracted Faith if it had not seen something in her in the first place. How much of what she says is the spirit and how much is her is impossible to say. Wynne does reflect upon the nature of the platitudes she speaks (if you take her on the Sacred Ashes mission). Also, not all of the advice she offers is poor. In light of what happens with Anders and Cole, its likely that both the spirit and the possessed change. To what extent is probably dependent upon the individual and the nature of the spirit they attracted. I don't think it necessarily must be a detrimental thing.

[Master Warder Z_]

Its a unnatural and cancerous change; Realities that aren't supposed to meet do and create a monster.

Its not a difficult concept.

[Boost32]

Anders and Solas are two lunatics who deserves to die.

[Lulupab]

Its a unnatural and cancerous change; Realities that aren't supposed to meet do and create a monster.

Its not a difficult concept.

 

I'm not saying Anders is a good guy, but he gives cause to analyze the system that created him.

 

Its obvious that in this case, paranoia about something that might happen is causing more harm than the actual danger we are trying to prevent, hence the forced reformation or dissolution ending.

[Boost32]

I'm not saying Anders is a good guy, but he gives cause to analyze the system that created him.
 
Its obvious that in this case, paranoia about something that might happen is causing more harm than the actual danger we are trying to prevent, hence the forced reformation or dissolution ending.

And Vivienne shows its not.

[Master Warder Z_]

Anders and Solas are two lunatics who deserves to die.

Some people in the world simply must be killed I'd agree; they pose problems otherwise.

The insane, the evil, the greedy, the endless list of justifications goes on. those impartial to the damage they inflict upon society cannot exist in society.

So they are removed.

And yes; both of your examples fit.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Yeah, he is possessed. We have a damn spirit as companion and an elven god too. Its no big deal. Thedas is a magical world.

 

Magic can't be made safe and any sort of view that Thedas is normal and sane is pretense. 

 

What Templars do to mages in name of security is almost lawful evil, and what some mages do in their opposition is chaotic good. The latter is usually the underdog and as such will gain the attention of much more fans.

 

Conscripting the mages is the most popular choice as far as I'm aware, followed by disbanding the Templars. Both alliances are the least favorite.

Actually, allying with the mages is by far the most popular choice, followed by allying with templars. conscriptions seems to be the less popular.

 

Seems like if you choose a side, you are going there because you support it and thus will ally with them rather than go to the side you oppose and conscript them.

 

Don't believe me? Look at this :http://www.strawpoll.me/3269053

[Master Warder Z_]

Oh look a internet poll...the most undisputable form of evidence ever...

Oh wait its the exact opposite.

[Boost32]

Oh look a internet poll...the most undisputable form of evidence ever...
Oh wait its the exact opposite.

While I agree its not unreliable, we must agree that alliance with mages seems the most popular choice.
It doesn't make it right or correct.

[Lulupab]

Actually, allying with the mages is by far the most popular choice, followed by allying with templars. conscriptions seems to be the less popular.

 

Seems like if you choose a side, you are going there because you support it and thus will ally with them rather than go to the side you oppose and conscript them.

 

Don't believe me? Look at this :http://www.strawpoll.me/3269053

 

This is good!

 

The last time I checked, it was conscription. Looks like people have seen all the decisions and went with allying with mages. Seems reasonable enough.

 

I'm an alliance person myself.