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[Lulupab]

In Hushed Whisper is ridiculous, she had a entire squad of assassins and still lost to Alexius, her incompetence knows no bound. And you can only find that the Venatori have spies in Skyhold if you make the alliance with the Qun.

Tell that to the guard who was killed trying to defend Josephine from a Assassin of the Repose.

My fault? She was the one who send me after Blackwall and the one who should have checked Solas background, its her damm job.

Lets not forget about she retreating her scouts and opening the way to Corypheus to launch a Surprise attack against Haven, or killing a unarmed Chantry sister even when being told to spare her, because if someone find her it will not hurt the Inquisition at all.

What Vivienne have to do with Leliana? Are you seriously trying to change the subject because you cant defend Leliana? i really dont care if you dont like Vivienne, you can hate her all you want.

 

SO you expect Leliana to predict usage of time magic? Understood.    Her agents kill all the venatori and she sacrifices herself so that the world can be saved again. No Leliana, no world.

 

You were late in completing Josephine's mission. If you do it immediately no one dies. Your incompetence.

 

Everyone can be blamed for the surprise. Where were Cullen's patrols? Drunk in taverns

 

Where were Josephine's "connections"? The army moved past many noble lands, why wasn't she informed?

 

Also about Vivienne? Too long, didn't read. Leliana > Vivienne based on impact, effort and benefit they bring to Inquisition. Its important because you advovated minutes ago Vivienne is better, she is clearly not as she plays zero to little role.

[Master Warder Z_]

o...o we should stop discussing how god awful Leliana is and instead talk about how much better Cassandra is.

[Obvious_Shining]

That's the side effect since she got a new head. Dun dun dun

[Obvious_Shining]

[Lulupab]

That's the side effect since she got a new head. Dun dun dun

 

I wish people stopped saying that lol. Beheading is a combat animation and its completely unrelated to lore. I sometimes behead people in finishing moves but since they are not actually going to die their head magically gets back up and they start talking in cut scene.

 

Its not known how she was killed.

[Colonelkillabee]

No one is exactly looking. The breach is closed and haven is celebrating. Where are the soldiers keeping watch? We should blame Cullen as well.

 

Were are Josephine's connections? The army passed though lands of the nobles. Why wasn't she informed?

 

I can go on.

You could, but it wouldn't change much. She's a spymaster, Josephine talks to nobles all day. How would it look for Lels to put blame on her? LOL.

 

And you can indeed blame Cullen too. I never wanted him as my general anyway. That said, he's not the one who supposedly has eyes and ears "everywhere", lol. And it doesn't change that Lels failed. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't build her up to be this "super badass".

[Boost32]

SO you expect Leliana to predict usage of time magic? Understood.    Her agents kill all the venatori and she sacrifices herself so that the world can be saved again. No Leliana, no world.
 
You were late in completing Josephine's mission. If you do it immediately no one dies. Your incompetence.
 
Everyone can be blamed for the surprise. Where were Cullen's patrols? Drunk in taverns
 
Where were Josephine's "connections"? The army moved past many noble lands, why wasn't she informed?
 
Also about Vivienne? Too long, didn't read. Leliana > Vivienne based on impact, effort and benefit they bring to Inquisition. Its important because you advovated minutes ago Vivienne is better, she is clearly not as she plays zero to little role.

No, I expect her to shoot Alexius in the face after he used his time trick, but she lost to him and she had numerical advantage. And still no mention about the Venatori spies?

Its the Inquisitor job to check everyone who enters Skyhold? No its not, you can try to shift the blame all you want.

What Patrols? Lgeliana pulled the scouts back, hell I dislike Cullen too, still I'm not going to blame him for Leliana incompetence.
Its Jospehine job to know a enemy is near Haven? If I remember correctly, its a job for the one who commands the scouts and the spies.

And ofc Vivienne is better than Leliana, she is not incompetent or screw the Inquisition like tha crazy hag.

[Lulupab]

You could, but it wouldn't change much. She's a spymaster, Josephine talks to nobles all day. How would it look for Lels to put blame on her? LOL.

 

And you can indeed blame Cullen too. I never wanted him as my general anyway. That said, he's not the one who supposedly has eyes and ears "everywhere", lol. And it doesn't change that Lels failed. It wouldn't be so bad if they didn't build her up to be this "super badass".

 

Well it reduces a lot of her "sue" aspect. Her improvement is result of her failure.

 

But everyone were careless. Her agents failed to report and simply disappeared, so she pulled them back because no one, including her was expecting an invasion. But the army should have been detected at least an hour before invasion, it could have been done by a simple patrol or even someone standing on height.

[Boost32]

o...o we should stop discussing how god awful Leliana is and instead talk about how much better Cassandra is.

Everyone already knows Cass is way better than the looney, there is not much to discuss.

[Obvious_Shining]

[Master Warder Z_]

Everyone already knows Cass is way better than the looney, there is not much to discuss.

Plus Cassandra is actually attractive...

[Lulupab]

No, I expect her to shoot Alexius in the face after he used his time trick, but she lost to him and she had numerical advantage. And still no mention about the Venatori spies?

Its the Inquisitor job to check everyone who enters Skyhold? No its not, you can try to shift the blame all you want.

What Patrols? Lgeliana pulled the scouts back, hell I dislike Cullen too, still I'm not going to blame him for Leliana incompetence.
Its Jospehine job to know a enemy is near Haven? If I remember correctly, its a job for the one who commands the scouts and the spies.

And ofc Vivienne is better than Leliana, she is not incompetent or screw the Inquisition like tha crazy hag.

 

So did all the companions, so I don't see your point. only the PC is snowflake and he was taken out, therefore everyone lost, not just Leliana.

 

Leliana sends you to question Blackwall, its you who recruit him. Get your facts straight.

 

Cullen had patrols.

 

The army passed through noble lands and army that size would have been impossible to miss, if Josephine's connections were strong enough, she would have heard about an army marching. But it wasn't.

 

Leliana nails Corypheus's every single activity after Haven, not to mention her help in tracking down Calpernia if you side with Templkars. So she more than makes up for her haven mistake.

[Boost32]

Plus Cassandra is actually attractive...

That goddamn tights are to die for.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well it reduces a lot of her "sue" aspect. Her improvement is result of her failure.

 

But everyone were careless. Her agents failed to report and simply disappeared, so she pulled them back because no one, including her was expecting an invasion. But the army should have been detected at least an hour before invasion, it could have been done by a simple patrol or even someone standing on height.

True enough.

 

Which is why both Cullen and Leliana aren't worth ****, lol. Only difference is Lels is held in such high regard. Even with the breach closed, they should know that templars or someone could consider them a threat for what they accomplished. It's not like demons falling out the sky are the only things a new group with a supposed prophet has to worry about.

 

But yes, the only reason most **** on Lels so hard and not Cullen is because Cullen is just there, and no one expects much from him, fan wise. He was just a templar who got tortured and then fought against a lunatic in Kirkwall.

[Boomshakalakalakaboom]

Well it reduces a lot of her "sue" aspect. Her improvement is result of her failure.

But everyone were careless. Her agents failed to report and simply disappeared, so she pulled them back because no one, including her was expecting an invasion. But the army should have been detected at least an hour before invasion, it could have been done by a simple patrol or even someone standing on height.

Patrols consisting of soldiers are generally ordered to patrol the perimeter. Scouts are sent further out.

No one is at fault but Leliana in this case. Really, scouts go missing so she pulls the others back? That makes no sense on her part. It was a stupid decision.

Obviously no one was expecting an invasion, but how does that constitute as a reason to not do the most basic part of your job?

[Colonelkillabee]

Now you guys are being silly. How is Leliana not attractive?

I mean, I can see why others might find her attractive. Long red hair, looks like what you'd call "conventionally" pretty, etc. But she's boring to me, nothing really stands out about her. Does nothing for me really. She could be one of any woman you'd see if you typed in "redhead with straight hair" in google.

 

I prefer what most call "cute" over conventionally pretty.

[Boost32]

Now you guys are being silly. How is Leliana not attractive?
 
 
Anyways... if it makes you feel better, I hope some of it blows up in my face. I imagine Bioware, if they ever revisit Southern Thedas again, will have to "equalize" all the Divine endings somehow. I don't think any of them will maintain their current state forever. 
 
Besides all of this, since when has Bioware delivered on these type of global consequences before. They don't. It's not as big a deal as some make it out to be.

I think she is attractive, but I'm repulsed by her, would never touch her.

So did all the companions, so I don't see your point. only the PC is snowflake and he was taken out, therefore everyone lost, not just Leliana.
 
Leliana sends you to question Blackwall, its you who recruit him. Get your facts straight.
 
Cullen had patrols.
 

The army passed through noble lands and army that size would have been impossible to miss, if Josephine's connections were strong enough, she would have heard about an army marching. But it wasn't.
 
Leliana nails Corypheus's every single activity after Haven, not to mention her help in tracking down Calpernia if you side with Templkars. So she more than makes up for her haven mistake.

How does the others being incompetent makes her not?

Get your facts straight, she is the one who told the .inquisitor he was a Warden, she could have checked it because its her goddam job.

Cullen being a idiot, doesnt make Leliana less idiot or incompetent.

Still not her job.

She still not caught the Venatori, Qunari or house of repose inside Skyhold, she didnt ones a director Order from her superior, it wasnt her who discovered the wardens or the assassination plot. Wow she discovered something about Calpernia, I should give her a medal for doing her job at least once.

[Colonelkillabee]

Hey, I noticed DKR is gone/deleted. What happened? Banned?

Something like that, profile deleted by request.

[Boost32]

Fair enough. I think the same thing about Liara. 
 
But it's mostly because of those creepy black eyes. And the snake skin.

I think those are her charm

[Boost32]

It genuinely disturbs me..

If someone really did that during sex, I'd have nightmares for life.

When she does that, she mind bind with Shepard, so I doubt he see it.

Its like sex with Acid.