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[DaemionMoadrin]

Why would the Urn have been gone?

 

How would I know? But that's the result in the epilogue if you don't kill the dragon, even if you did everything else right.

 

I don't see the problem here. Either I remember a choice, or I don't. The choices I remember will obviously be correctly entered in the Keep. The choices I don't remember might be correct, or might not. But since I don't remember what the correct choice is, I won't detect an error even if one exists.

 

True. The problem is that I have to do it at all. An imported savegame would carry all necessary information and wouldn't require me to create a dozen different world states.

 

...do you feel like actually responding to what I wrote to you, or are you just going to keep ranting?

 

I explained the issue as I see it several times, people disagreed with it or misunderstood my intention, so I dropped it.

 

Since you see my posts as rants I doubt we can have a constructive discussion anyway.

[The Night Haunter]

Oh, so you want to manually re-create all your characters? Because you still remember every single detail about the entire dozen of them, years after playing the game? I had such a hard time with the Keep because all it "imports" are the stats from the BioWare database, which only exists if you ever synchronized the game (activated the online/feedback option). Side quest decisions? Romances? Hope you still remember every single one correctly because the database doesn't track those.

 

Remember Bella in Dragon Age: Origins? The tavern waitress in Redcliff? Do you still know how you handled that situation for every character? Did she take over the tavern? Did you give her money so she went to Denerim? It's all in the Keep, so it probably has some relevance.

You are going to have to anyway, MEA will be next gen consoles. So your argument really holds no water.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You are going to have to anyway, MEA will be next gen consoles. So your argument really holds no water.

 

Eh, what argument exactly? Did you read my posts? I specificially mentioned the next gen consoles.

 

http://forum.bioware...dai/?p=19461181

[Sylvius the Mad]

No, the Keep was a terrible idea. Imports work better because there you can import stuff like the appearance of your characters, their gear, their skills... the Keep can't do that.

Even worse is the fact that the Keep doesn't cover all options. When it was in beta, I pointed out that the dragon guarding the Urn of Sacred Ashes was missing in the Keep. Killing it before leaving the area was important, because if you didn't, then the Urn would be gone by the time the first pilgrims showed up.

The save files didn't track everything, either. But if uf they notice later that some relevant detail is missing from a previous game's save file, they can't fix it.

The Keep can be fixed, however.

Also, it eliminates the need to play the previous games again just to generate another world state. If I want to play DAI with a different world state, I just need to spend 10 minutes in the Keep to make that happen. If it relied on save imports, I would need to spend 100 hours playing the first two games again (and I hated DA2 - I don't want to play that again).

Look at ME3. The Genesis 2 comic is a shadow of the Keep, but it's way better than having just save imports as an option. Not everyone played the previous games. Not everyone still has save files. Not everyone is willing to invest dozens or hundreds of hours to generate all of the world states they want to try.

The Keep is amazing. It can be improved, yes, but it's vastly better than relying on save imports.

Regarding imported faces, I think that just means BioWare needs to do a better job of building character creators. And use face codes to let us easily recreate them. That said, I didn't try to recreate my DA2 Hawke in DAI because I didn't like how my DA2 Hawke looked (because that character creator was dreadful), so I got to make a better one. Yet another way in which relying on save imports traps us with the deficiencies of the previous game.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You've got some good points there.

 

I think the best solution would be to import savegames into the Keep and then edit/change the details there. That way it's much less work for people like me who have a lot of different characters and it still allows anyone to set up the worldstate they want.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Oh, so you want to manually re-create all your characters? Because you still remember every single detail about the entire dozen of them, years after playing the game?

If you don't remember them, does it mattet if they're wrong? How would you know?

For me, the Keep is like playing the game over again. I get to fix mistakes I made the first time.

[Sylvius the Mad]

You've got some good points there.

I think the best solution would be to import savegames into the Keep and then edit/change the details there. That way it's much less work for people like me who have a lot of different characters and it still allows anyone to set up the worldstate they want.

Yes, I agree, that would be ideal.

And that seems to be what the Keep will do going forward.

[Metalfros]

You've got some good points there.

 

I think the best solution would be to import savegames into the Keep and then edit/change the details there. That way it's much less work for people like me who have a lot of different characters and it still allows anyone to set up the worldstate they want.

Not that I think it will take any effect. If Andromeda will be completely cut off from the Milky Way, I don't know how the hell the ME trilogy choices are going to have even the most minor effects on Andromeda. Why bother using 'Mass Effect Keep'?

[CronoDragoon]

Not that I think it will take any effect. If Andromeda will be completely cut off from the Milky Way, I don't so how the hell the ME trilogy choices are going to have even the most minor effects on Andromeda. Why bother using 'Mass Effect Keep'?

 

I sincerely hope they don't. If they do, I hope it's really really minor vague stuff, like a codex entry on Shepard getting his or her gender correct.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Not that I think it will take any effect. If Andromeda will be completely cut off from the Milky Way, I don't so how the hell the ME trilogy choices are going to have even the most minor effects on Andromeda. Why bother using 'Mass Effect Keep'?

 

Well, I doubt there will be any equivalent to the Keep nor will there be any imported savegames.

 

https://twitter.com/...474505576222720

 

But if ME:A is just the first of a series of games, then that issue will come up in some way.

[Iakus]

The Keep was a great idea. BioWare should alwayd do something like that, rather than rely on imports.

I don't have my ME2 saves because I fully expected i would never play ME3, so I didn't preserve them when I built my new PC.

The Keep was a good idea.  Though I'd have preferred an offline version.

 

But I don't want one for Mass Effect.  

[AlanC9]

How would I know? But that's the result in the epilogue if you don't kill the dragon, even if you did everything else right.

Thanks. Never discovered that since I always go for the loot.

[Farangbaa]

This keep/character discussion:

They could just allow you to import the appearance, you know? They'd use your savegame for only that.

edit after reading more: or facecodes. That might be even easier

[Sylvius the Mad]

But I don't want one for Mass Effect.

I do.

I wouldn't even mind if they charged for it, like with Genesis 2.

[sjsharp2011]

The Keep was a good idea.  Though I'd have preferred an offline version.

 

But I don't want one for Mass Effect.  

 

 

Yeah I'd have prefered an offline version as well maybe in time they'll develop one

[Demonique]

I want Dragon Age style party banter for Andromeda where your companions start talking to each other whilst you're on a mission

[KaiserShep]

If Mass Effect does introduce DA-like party banter, I hope it also includes the ability for the player to choose how the PC participates, like in Inquisition. 

[Julia4891]

I like DAI, some of the areas are just beautiful and different and have this mysterious feeling about them; the music is perfect; the acting is awesome; some of the companions were really good surprises (Solas, Dorian and Cassandra to be precise), not to mention, of course, Morrigan (not a companion but alwayss interesting) and Varric. It is a good game but, by the end of it, I was a little tired of all the fetch quests and it was a little bit anti-climactic - the exact opposite of DAO's ending. Coryphaeus was far from being a true antagonist or an interesting/different antagonist, he was more an excuse of sorts. I can't compare him to, say, the Ellusive Man or even The Reapers.

What I really wish Mass Effect Andromeda will have:

 

- a not so huge Galaxy if huge means a weaker story

- I prefer less (but meaningful) side quests

- Exploration is great but I wish it's only a feature among others not the game per se

- Fewer romance options, but make them organic and surprising (like in DAO or ME 1)

- a good story pace with an ending that is climactic

- quality over quantity (not saying DAI was bad, far from it; it was good, only not memorable as DAO or ME 1).

[Valkyrja]

DA:I should have done a better job integrating the main story and companion missions with the exploration. Instead they were almost completely segregated.

[dreamgazer]

If Mass Effect does introduce DA-like party banter, I hope it also includes the ability for the player to choose how the PC participates, like in Inquisition.

Loved this.

[Sylvius the Mad]

DA:I should have done a better job integrating the main story and companion missions with the exploration. Instead they were almost completely segregated.

I want much of the exploration to exist for no particular reason. That an area exists to be explored should not require that someone can tell you to explore it.

I want thinking for myself to produce different results from simply going where I'm told.

[zenstrata]

I enjoyed dragon age inquisition.  Played through all of it.  over 200 hours worth of game time.

 

Also Dragon Age Inquisition let us pick our race!  Why can't Mass Effect Andromeda do that too>?  Doesn't make sense to me that they are not allowing it in Andromeda.  This is the perfect chance to expand the players options a bit.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

I'm not just hoping Andromeda will be something other than Inquisition (worst wasted 60 bucks in my life).

I'm damn begging for it.

[Elhanan]

If DLC is being contemplated at this early stage, prefer story content. However, I like the decision in DAI not to have Companions added; already in the Vanilla game.

[Cheviot]

I'd like MEA to copy DAI's habit of hiding good side content out of the way; for instance the dragons (which I didn't even start fighting them until my 3rd playthrough).