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[themikefest]

The longest playthrough I've done was about 132 hours. The fastest playthrough was 10 hours 29 minutes on my ps3. I liked that playthrough

[sjsharp2011]

You and I will have to disagree on the quality of Inquisition. It brought me many hundreds of hours of enjoyment and fun gameplay. 

 

Yes, they over emphasized the exploration so it's super easy to get lost in it and lose track of the main story, yes the main story is relatively short in comparison to the massive amounts of side content and yes the end fight is weak. 

 

But, the main story still took me over 30 hours to get through, which is what ME1 takes for me, and a lot of other games. A full complete playthrough taking 20-30 hours was what used to be expected in games, like KOTOR and KOTOR 2, Mass Effect 1, and so on. So even in just main story content it still had enough content to make it worth the price for me to buy it. 

 

Also, the racial choices and the ability to make decisions throughout the game is something I've always loved about Bioware games. Other companies try to mimic the diverging choices, and I think only the Witcher series matches or is better than Bioware at it. No other game series I've played matched Bioware in their ability to have player choices altering quest paths. 

 

I also love the established lore, and since I went on a media blackout before it came out, a lot of the revelations in the lore hit me like a ton of bricks and I loved every minute of it. And the main villain, while weak at the end, felt totally logical how things ended as they had, which is a leap beyond what ME3's original ending had, which came out of left field, altered the themes developed over a trilogy and essentially broke nearly every promise Bioware made about the ending of ME3 whereas Inquisition's ending's biggest flaw is that it's not as strong as it could've been. 

 

I feel it's a shame you feel so strongly that Inquisition was a bland game, but I personally love it. I love the characters, I love the companions, I think all the Voice Acting is spot on, even both sets of voice actors for the Inquisitor of either gender, and there are characters I love to hate because they are that believable. 

 

I recognize that the team making Dragon Age is very different from the team making Andromeda and the Mass Effect series, but I at least am optimistic about the game, even if I'm not excited or disheartened because....reasons. 

 

All I know about Andromeda is that I know next to nothing about it. Jetpacks, the N7 in the trailer is NOT the protagonist, we're in Andromeda, there'll be the Mako, and some races are returning....and that's about it. There  not any room to criticize it because we don't know enough specifics to criticize, and it's irrational to lash out at Bioware in general because of past games, games we all love otherwise we wouldn't even be here on the Bioware game forums.

couldn't have put it better I feel exactly the same way about both series that Bioware are responsible for.

[DaemionMoadrin]

You and I will have to disagree on the quality of Inquisition. It brought me many hundreds of hours of enjoyment and fun gameplay. 

 

Yes, they over emphasized the exploration so it's super easy to get lost in it and lose track of the main story, yes the main story is relatively short in comparison to the massive amounts of side content and yes the end fight is weak. 

 

But, the main story still took me over 30 hours to get through, which is what ME1 takes for me, and a lot of other games. A full complete playthrough taking 20-30 hours was what used to be expected in games, like KOTOR and KOTOR 2, Mass Effect 1, and so on. So even in just main story content it still had enough content to make it worth the price for me to buy it. 

 

Also, the racial choices and the ability to make decisions throughout the game is something I've always loved about Bioware games. Other companies try to mimic the diverging choices, and I think only the Witcher series matches or is better than Bioware at it. No other game series I've played matched Bioware in their ability to have player choices altering quest paths. 

 

I also love the established lore, and since I went on a media blackout before it came out, a lot of the revelations in the lore hit me like a ton of bricks and I loved every minute of it. And the main villain, while weak at the end, felt totally logical how things ended as they had, which is a leap beyond what ME3's original ending had, which came out of left field, altered the themes developed over a trilogy and essentially broke nearly every promise Bioware made about the ending of ME3 whereas Inquisition's ending's biggest flaw is that it's not as strong as it could've been. 

 

I feel it's a shame you feel so strongly that Inquisition was a bland game, but I personally love it. I love the characters, I love the companions, I think all the Voice Acting is spot on, even both sets of voice actors for the Inquisitor of either gender, and there are characters I love to hate because they are that believable. 

 

I recognize that the team making Dragon Age is very different from the team making Andromeda and the Mass Effect series, but I at least am optimistic about the game, even if I'm not excited or disheartened because....reasons. 

 

All I know about Andromeda is that I know next to nothing about it. Jetpacks, the N7 in the trailer is NOT the protagonist, we're in Andromeda, there'll be the Mako, and some races are returning....and that's about it. There  not any room to criticize it because we don't know enough specifics to criticize, and it's irrational to lash out at Bioware in general because of past games, games we all love otherwise we wouldn't even be here on the Bioware game forums.

 

Your numbers are incorrect. The main story of DA:I covers about ~8 hours. That's it. Complete playthroughs of the games you mentioned can't be done in under 30 hours.

 

The rest is rather subjective and we already established that my opinion differs from yours.

[pdusen]

Your numbers are incorrect. The main story of DA:I covers about ~8 hours. That's it. Complete playthroughs of the games you mentioned can't be done in under 30 hours.

 

I find it amusing that you actually believe this is a rebuttal to "But, the main story still took me over 30 hours to get through".

[DaemionMoadrin]

I find it amusing that you actually believe this is a rebuttal to "But, the main story still took me over 30 hours to get through".

 

What exactly are you trying to say? That DA:I's main story is longer? Or that the games listed as comparison are shorter?

[dragonflight288]

 

 

Your numbers are incorrect. The main story of DA:I covers about ~8 hours. That's it. Complete playthroughs of the games you mentioned can't be done in under 30 hours.

 

I have a recorded playthrough of KOTOR, all side quests done in 25 hours. My latest ME 1 playthrough, full completionist took me 29 hours. 

 

I'm pretty sure it's possible to beat those games in less than 30 hours.

 

And it may take some people 8-10 hours to beat Inquisition, but on my first playthrough, where I wasn't even attempting a completionist one, it still took me 30 hours of just main story and local side content, and by local side content I mean side content that was in the general areas of the main story. I didn't go to Emprise Du Leon, the Emerald Graves or the Hissing Wastes, nor did I complete every side quest in the Hinterlands, Storm Coast or the Exalted Plains.

 

For me, and what I experienced on my first playthrough, felt like a full and complete game with a heap of extra content that could be done later as a side-dish, and my next playthrough I went with a completionist one and clocked in 120 hours.

 

And so I felt the game was worth every dollar I spent to get it, and then some as I'll still play it once I finish my current Mass Effect trilogy playthrough, as I'll start a new Dragon Age series playthrough. 

[dragonflight288]

What exactly are you trying to say? That DA:I's main story is longer? Or that the games listed as comparison are shorter?

 

I think he's saying that the full, all quests, all content included makes up the amount of time I spent on Inquisition's main story without going out of my way to do the extra side content while also taking the time to enjoy myself, means that Inquisition's main story clocking in at 8-10 hours still does not rebut the statement I made that it took me 30 hours to get through it as I took the time to enjoy myself without letting myself get bogged down with excess side content, so it doesn't necessarily refute my statement regarding my experience with the game.

[dreamgazer]

You can beat ME1 in four hours. Food for thought.

[KaiserShep]

...all set on railroad tracks that don't allow you much freedom to change the outcome.

 

But change the outcome to what? The primary conflict in Dragon Age always has a fixed resolution, which is kind of necessary so that the series can keep going without getting crushed by the weight of exponentially more complicated story branches. There is no option to flee Ferelden and let the archdemon consume it, or a way to stop the mages and Templars from losing their sh**. 

[CronoDragoon]

What exactly are you trying to say? That DA:I's main story is longer? Or that the games listed as comparison are shorter?

 

Both. DA: I's critical path takes longer than 8 hours, and that's not even counting story content that is equally (if not moreso) vital to the playthrough, such as companion arcs. 

 

Meanwhile, ME1 can be beaten, as Dreamgazer said, in about 4 hours if you try.

 

In any case, pdusen was pointing out that you responded to someone saying the main story took him over 30 hours by saying he was wrong and that DA: I actually takes 8 hours. It's easy to see the non sequitor.

[pdusen]

In any case, pdusen was pointing out that you responded to someone saying the main story took him over 30 hours by saying he was wrong and that DA: I actually takes 8 hours. It's easy to see the non sequitor.

Yup.

[KaiserShep]

I never really pay attention to speed run numbers. I can lose quite a lot of time just making the rounds to explore new dialogue with companions and other NPC's between quests. No doubt I'd shave off a couple of hours from that alone if I simply ignored all non-critical dialogue, but why the frak would I do that? 

[CronoDragoon]

I never really pay attention to speed run numbers. I can lose quite a lot of time just making the rounds to explore new dialogue with companions and other NPC's between quests. No doubt I'd shave off a couple of hours from that alone if I simply ignored all non-critical dialogue, but why the frak would I do that? 

 

It's especially irrelevant in a BioWare game, where for me and I suspect many others the most important part of the game is mostly optional (companion dialogues/quests).

[DaemionMoadrin]

You can beat ME1 in four hours. Food for thought.

 

That would not be a complete playthrough though.

 

Both. DA: I's critical path takes longer than 8 hours, and that's not even counting story content that is equally (if not moreso) vital to the playthrough, such as companion arcs. 

 

Meanwhile, ME1 can be beaten, as Dreamgazer said, in about 4 hours if you try.

 

In any case, pdusen was pointing out that you responded to someone saying the main story took him over 30 hours by saying he was wrong and that DA: I actually takes 8 hours. It's easy to see the non sequitor.

 

Nope. The main story takes about 8 hours. I timed it.

 

We were talking about complete playthroughs of ME1, KotOR etc... which means all sidequests, the DLCs, all collections etc. For example, in my current KotOR 2 playthrough I am running everywhere using Force Speed, I know exactly where everything is and how to do the quest simultanousely (I also skip most dialogue and cutscenes) but it still took me five hours until I arrived on the surface of Telos.

 

I didn't say DA:I takes 8 hours, I said the main story has only content for 8 hours. I didn't do a speedrun, I simply stopped the time whenever I was doing a main story quest.

 

I mean, it's right there with words and all, why do I have to explain it?

[dreamgazer]

That would not be a complete playthrough though.

It is, though. Main story content.

Speed runs have gotten it done in less than two.

[dreamgazer]

How Long to Beat paints an interesting image of both ME and DA franchises, for the curious.

[DaemionMoadrin]

It is, though. Main story content.

Speed runs have gotten it done in less than two.

 

What now? Complete or main story content only?

[dreamgazer]

What now? Complete or main story content only?

As in finishing the story. I'm not sure how much raw "main story content" there is, but your definition's starting to get a little hazy here.

Anyway, didn't you say you only played through the game once? Were you timing it during your initial run?

[DaemionMoadrin]

As in finishing the story. I'm not sure how much raw "main story content" there is, but your definition's starting to get a little hazy here.

Anyway, didn't you say you only played through the game once? Were you timing it during your initial run?

 

Yup. More by accident than intent but that didn't matter in the end.

 

My definitions are very clear.

 

DA:I's main story content is this:

 

The Wrath of Heaven
The Threat Remains
In Hushed Whispers or Champions of the Just
In Your Heart Shall Burn
From the Ashes
Here Lies the Abyss
Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts
What Pride Had Wrought
The Final Piece
Doom Upon All the World

 

Start the timer the moment you begin one of these quests, stop it when done. Don't do any sidequest content while on a main quest or time it seperately and then subtract it. Total: ~8 hours. I could probably get through it faster but I had to listen to the conversations etc.

 

The rest of the game took me ~112 hours to complete, by which I mean I completed all sidequests, all collections, explored all areas, slew all dragons and completed a romance. So, ~120 hours all together.

 

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Four hours for a complete playthrough of ME1 seems very unlikely. There aren't too many side missions but some like Crime Syndicate take a while to complete. Maybe if you don't do the collections, skip all conversations, don't spend time outfitting your squad and don't talk to your crew. I'd hesitate to call that complete though because you skipped content then.

 

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Similiarly, less than 30 hours for KotOR seems too fast. It isn't so much the content there as it is the fact that you have to run around a lot. I guess if you skip exploration (don't open every container), don't bother with the perfect gear for your crew and skip all conversations, you might be able to clock in under 30 hours but ... *shrug* Been a while since I played it but the last savegame before the attack on the Star Forge says 33h.

KotOR2 definitely takes longer though.

[sjsharp2011]

I have a recorded playthrough of KOTOR, all side quests done in 25 hours. My latest ME 1 playthrough, full completionist took me 29 hours. 

 

I'm pretty sure it's possible to beat those games in less than 30 hours.

 

And it may take some people 8-10 hours to beat Inquisition, but on my first playthrough, where I wasn't even attempting a completionist one, it still took me 30 hours of just main story and local side content, and by local side content I mean side content that was in the general areas of the main story. I didn't go to Emprise Du Leon, the Emerald Graves or the Hissing Wastes, nor did I complete every side quest in the Hinterlands, Storm Coast or the Exalted Plains.

 

For me, and what I experienced on my first playthrough, felt like a full and complete game with a heap of extra content that could be done later as a side-dish, and my next playthrough I went with a completionist one and clocked in 120 hours.

 

And so I felt the game was worth every dollar I spent to get it, and then some as I'll still play it once I finish my current Mass Effect trilogy playthrough, as I'll start a new Dragon Age series playthrough. 

|Yeah I've been alternating between the 2 series as well. Playing Witcher 1 atm but eventually I plan on going through ME3 again as I'm in the middle of an ME run and after that I'll probably do my next DA run. I've already got it planned out. Female dwarf commoner warden for DAO, a female rogue Hawke for DA2 and a human male mage Inquisitor as my heroes. Just need to play and enter the details onto the keep as I go.

[LinksOcarina]

 

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Four hours for a complete playthrough of ME1 seems very unlikely. There aren't too many side missions but some like Crime Syndicate take a while to complete. Maybe if you don't do the collections, skip all conversations, don't spend time outfitting your squad and don't talk to your crew. I'd hesitate to call that complete though because you skipped content then.

 

 

you are contradicting yourself then.

 

If were going by your definitions above as to what constitutes a full game for iniquisition, the only missions that are part of the main plot in Mass Effect are as follows:

 

Eden Prime
Citadel Run around 1

Noveria

Feros

Therum

Virmire

Ilos

Citadel Run around 2

 

The crime syndicate doesn't count, and none of this mentions talking to squadmates or doing loadouts at all. 

 

You also don't mention the aforementioned interaction with companions in Inquisition. Was it subsequently ignored in those 8 hours you played? After all, their questlines and conversations are not really part of the main game.

 

If you count it for one game, you count it for both. So your definition is completely arbitrary at best regarding the two games like that, or you are full of it and just don't like Inquisition.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I would argue that a large gap between the length of a completionist playthrough and a critical path playthrough is evidence of a strong game. Being able to choose which content to do is a big piece of player agency.

[sjsharp2011]

I never really pay attention to speed run numbers. I can lose quite a lot of time just making the rounds to explore new dialogue with companions and other NPC's between quests. No doubt I'd shave off a couple of hours from that alone if I simply ignored all non-critical dialogue, but why the frak would I do that? 

 

 

Neither do I really I look at the game as a whole package rather than individual missions or sections of a game. Sometimes if i want to get through a game quickly because I have something else I want/need to do then I'll  skip some side stuff or again I'm looking to get a different result again I might skip some to see what happens. Generally though I try to do most of the major side mission stuff at least in my playthroughs. I think I did once get through ME1 in a couple of days as I skipped most of the side content but usually it takes me at least 3 /4 when I'm doing a standard run. ME2 and 3 usually take me about a week give or take a day or 2 to get through in each case.

 

Aside from DA2 which takes me about 1 week to get through as it usually takes about 2 days to negotiate each act, the other DA games at least take me at least 2 weeks to negotiate a playthrough

[CronoDragoon]

I see the disconnect here. Dragon mentioned two separate things: His main story time for DA:I and what a complete play through of older games entailed. Daemion was responding to them separately but in a format that made them appear like a part of the same point.

[AlanC9]

So what's the issue here?

ME1 - 4 hours of core content, 30+ hours for a complete game

DAI - 8 hours of core content, 120 hours or so for a complete game