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Anyone else hoping that ME:A is nothing like DA:I?


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#176
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Lol ok, you must not have ventures outside of BSN.

 

Even outside the BSN I've seen the opinion of enjoying DAI despite it's flaws, which people seem to overlook with ME1

 

The more Mass Effect Andromeda is different than Inquisition the better the game will be. Inquisition was a failure.

 

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Agreed!

I believe the general consensus is that while DAI could have been enjoyable to some, many people found it to be a dull experience full of fetch quest and a dull protagonist and a dull villain. Those who constantly defend DAI is obviously the minority and a very loyal one at that, but still the minority.

Like I said before, perception is reality and Bioware will be stupid to ignore all of the complaints regarding DAI. If DAI was so well received, then there would be more calls for ME:A to be more like DAI but that isn't the case. All I have seen are many threads and replies about how people do not want ME:A to be like DAI and this isn't just BSN but around all other gaming communities. DAI left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths and many would wish that DAI just be seen as a Bioware development anomaly and not something that is a new development paradigm for them.

I'm Not going to enter the debate on DAI's reception, but after ME2 there were a lot of people Who loved it, and there were a lot Who didn't want DA2 to copy it ('Dragon Effect' was created for this).

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Lol ok, you must not have ventures outside of BSN.

 

That's funny, because I was about to write something very similar to this about what you were posting.


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I dont think DAI was a failure, but compared to what TW3 gave and what Fallout 4 is about to give, it is clear that DAI is the inferior game.
Dull protagonist
Dull villain
Hub towns/cities are full of people standing around like props with no daily routines (like in TW3)
Over emphasis on MMO style fetch quest.
People who defend DAI are a joke and just fanboys not willing to admit the game wasnt all that great.

You do realize that many, if Not all, people Who say They enjoyed DAI recognize the game has flaws?
Nobody is saying that DAI is perfect. I personally disliked several things in every Bioware games. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy them to a degree, or Even love them.
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You do realize that many, if Not all, people Who say They enjoyed DAI recognize the game has flaws?
Nobody is saying that DAI is perfect. I personally disliked several things in every Bioware games. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy them to a degree, or Even love them.

Still, DAI has a negative perception by many non core Bioware fans. Yes, it won GOTY but that does not mean it was a quality game.

ME4 will benefit from not being like DAI.

DAI isnt even worth trying to copy.

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Lol ok, you must not have ventures outside of BSN.


Nice try.
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Still, DAI has a negative perception by many non core Bioware fans.

 

I wonder what the basis for this claim is. From what I can tell, the so-called "core Bioware fans" are the ones most likely to be critical about the game.



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That's funny, because I was about to write something very similar to this about what you were posting.

It is the truth.

I cannot wait for Bioware to wave the white flag on DAI and just let it die. DAI was a poor game and TW3 and the upcoming Fallout 4 clearly shows this.

The LESS influence DAI has on future Bioware games, the better!

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Still, DAI has a negative perception by many non core Bioware fans.

 

Put any game and respective developer in that sentence and it would be true. What is the point? 


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It is the truth.

I cannot wait for Bioware to wave the white flag on DAI and just let it die. DAI was a poor game and TW3 and the upcoming Fallout 4 clearly shows this.

The LESS influence DAI has on future Bioware games, the better!

 

So are you trying to take the OPs place now since he's gone or something?


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Put any game and respective developer in that sentence and it would be true. What is the point?


The point is that DAI was a lousy game by Bioware. It featured one of their lesd intersting protagonist with a less interesting villian and a poor single player MMO style game design.

Again, the LESS influence DAI has on the WRPG genre, the BETTER!
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Still, DAI has a negative perception by many non core Bioware fans. Yes, it won GOTY but that does not mean it was a quality game.
ME4 will benefit from not being like DAI.
DAI isnt even worth trying to copy.

That's irrelevant to What I'm saying Though. I don't believe any game needs or should emulate another.
Also, many GOTY Are won due to people's votes.
Again, I'm Not debating if there Are more people Who liked DAI or the opposite, but there Are a good aumont ofpeople Who liked it, Even outside BSN.

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It is the truth.
I cannot wait for Bioware to wave the white flag on DAI and just let it die. DAI was a poor game and TW3 and the upcoming Fallout 4 clearly shows this.
The LESS influence DAI has on future Bioware games, the better!

Let's wait until Fallout 4 is released before judging it, okay? While I don't think it'll be bad, we don't know enough to judge it.
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That's irrelevant to What I'm saying Though. I don't believe any game needs or should emulate another.
Also, many GOTY Are won due to people's votes.
Again, I'm Not debating if there Are more people Who liked DAI or the opposite, but there Are a good aumont ofpeople Who liked it, Even outside BSN.

And there are a good amount of people who liked The Phantom Menace. Yet despite that, it is generally seen as the weakest of all 6 films.

Hell, there is a faction of people who enjoy the prequels but yet people generally still want the Sequel Trilogy to be less like the prequels.

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The point is that DAI was a lousy game by Bioware. It featured one of their lesd intersting protagonist with a less interesting villian and a poor single player MMO style game design.

Again, the LESS influence DAI has on the WRPG genre, the BETTER!

 

And here I thought this was gonna be another real argument, but your ranting is just downright entertaining. Bravo, sir.



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And there are a good amount of people who liked The Phantom Menace. Yet despite that, it is generally seen as the weakest of all 6 films.

 

This is also a weak comparison since there is no real indication that DAI is considered the weakest game outside of you trying to make your opinion fact


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And there are a good amount of people who liked The Phantom Menace. Yet despite that, it is generally seen as the weakest of all 6 films.


I'm Not saying DAI is the greatest game of all times. It's You Who is saying that the game have Barely any fans outside BSN or non-Bioware fans.
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This is also a weak comparison since there is no real indication that DAI is considered the weakest game outside of you trying to make your opinion fact

So you think DAI is one of Bioware's strongest games?

Lol

Even TW3 with a weaker marketing campaign outsold DAI AND got higher review scores.

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So you think DAI is one of Bioware's strongest games?

Lol

Even TW3 with a weaker marketing campaign outsold DAI AND got higher review scores.

 

Nice try putting words in my mouth because you're losing your own argument



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So you think DAI is one of Bioware's strongest games?

Lol

Even TW3 with a weaker marketing campaign outsold DAI AND got higher review scores.

 

Not thinking it's the weakest is not the same as thinking it's the st….

 

why am I doing this? 


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So you think DAI is one of Bioware's strongest games?

Lol

Even TW3 with a weaker marketing campaign outsold DAI AND got higher review scores.

Actually the marketing campaign for The Witcher 3 was almost as expensive as making the game. I would say the games are equally marketed in form of trailers and such. And ofc a game about a set protagonist that is a white male is gonna sell better. That is video games 101. Doesn't mean either game is bad, mind you. They are both great. 



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Nice try putting words in my mouth because you're losing your own argument


It was a question. Do you consider DAI one of Bioware's better and stronger titles? And I dont mean in sells.

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The more Mass Effect Andromeda is different than Inquisition the better the game will be. Inquisition was a failure.

Sorry to say but I second this.

I will even take it a step further and say that I don't believe that DAI was as successful sales wise as EA/BW had hoped despite any PR spinning to the contrary from the marketing dept.

The fact that some of the big gaming sites gave DAI high scores is nothing more than the emperor not having any clothes imo. It doesn't change the fact that the game wasn't very good.

BW needs to steer clear of the DAI formula and build upon the formula established in ME3 and just make absolutely doubly sure that the writing is on point all the way though to the very end of the game.

The formula for success is right there for them on a silver platter but I worry that they are too blinded by the currently trendy totally open world pseudo mmo fomula that is watering down a lot of current games.
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Such a relation doesn't exist though imo. There is nothing gained by "so not being DAI" or "Anti-DAI". Because non-BW fans in particular won't make the connection; far more likely they'll take each game for what it is and not try to put them in a timeline starting with the golden age of BG/DAO and ending with "BW's Waterloo".

It's not a zero sum game, in fact if they stick to these concepts to build on them there is still a chance to win back those who weren't blown away by DAI.