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[x Raizer x]

Hello, #MassEffectNation!

 

Remember where we first heard about Andromeda being the setting for the next Mass Effect?

WAY back when that random Reddit user posted that consumer survey.  This survey claimed that the next Mass Effect game would not only take place in the Andromeda galaxy, but also that the game will take place "long after" the events of Mass Effect 3.  It also predicted that the playable character will again be a Human.  Obviously, the community of fans took with with a grain of salt.

Until recently, when E3 proved much of this to be true when Bioware fully announced ME;Andromeda!  Along with the trailer I'm sure you all saw 1,000 times, Bioware provided a bit of information va this blog site here: 

 

Bioware Blog: http://blog.bioware....fect-andromeda/

 

Bioware confirmed all this to be true!  Most people forget, however, that  this survey provided much more rumored information as well.  Everything from building and maintaining colonies, to enemies known as the "Khet", Strike Team Missions, and more!  Since Bioware recently confirmed three major elements of this leak to be true, does that mean that the leak entirely is true?  And what about the images provided with the leak?

 

While looking back over the image of the "Pathfinder" emblem, something came to mind.  Something that could help shed light on just how we get to the Andromeda galaxy!  I break it down further in my video:

My Video: https://www.youtube....h?v=eavFOjFtICI

Let me know what you think of this emblem, and if it holds any answers!

 

[SpacePirateRegis]

Thanks for the vid Raizer! #MassEffectNation!

 

I'm glad you reminded me about all that stuff from the survey, I honestly forgot about it!  That image does look like an arrow pointing to a portal, something almsot like a Star Gate?  Its much more likely a relay though as I don't see a space **** flying through a "Star Gate" device.  Mass Effect relay technology seems to be the default lore for sure technology so its no doubt something similar to the Omega 4 relay, or something more advanced like you mentioned.

[TeffexPope]

Thanks for the vid Raizer! #MassEffectNation!

 

I'm glad you reminded me about all that stuff from the survey, I honestly forgot about it!  That image does look like an arrow pointing to a portal, something almsot like a Star Gate?  Its much more likely a relay though as I don't see a space **** flying through a "Star Gate" device.  Mass Effect relay technology seems to be the default lore for sure technology so its no doubt something similar to the Omega 4 relay, or something more advanced like you mentioned.

I'm thinking that there's no doubt that the way to Andromeda is based on mass relay tech, and with the enormous resources that the reapers leave behind (have to imagine that even if you destroy them, there was an unimaginable amount of information that could be salvaged) it's not far-fetched as far as the lore is concerned. And you bring up a good point about the omega relay, that was a very advanced relay, as was whatever tech was keeping the collector base safe in such a hostile environment. The technology of the reapers holds the key to limitless advances in the Mass Effect universe.

[Kabooooom]

I just posted this in another thread, but I am inclined to agree with you. I have been discussing how to build an ark to Andromeda ever since we first predicted that is the route Bioware would take like a year ago. The in-lore engineering challenges are not insurmountable...but pretty close. It is technically possible in the lore to construct a vessel using Reaper tech that could truck it old school to Andromeda. Drone and others have made the argument that reverse engineering this in a short time during the war would strain credulity. That's a fair objection.

Now, I think that the new game will not feature the Reapers, and that they are trying to divorce it from the prior trilogy entirely. The basic plot premise will most likely be "the galaxy sends an ark or a fleet of ships to Andromeda as a plan b to escape the Reapers in case the Crucible failed".

But what if they discover something in the Milky Way, akin to an alien relay, ie: Not constructed by the Reapers, which links to Andromeda. Perhaps it could be constructed by the Remnant. Then, on the other side, something catastrophic occurs which prevents return to the Milky Way (or maybe the Citadel species deliberately destroy the Milky Way counterpart to prevent Reaper pursuit). Now, you are in Andromeda, exploring a vast star cluster bit by bit, discovering more of these alien relays that link to nearby star clusters, and the game feels absolutely massive while only covering a tiny fraction of Andromeda itself. Throughout the game, you discover more about the species that made them, eventually even their intended purpose.

I'd be game for that.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I hope it is a Mass Relay, both because Mass Relays being in Andromeda lead to interesting implications and deal with a lot of the issues that exist with this intergalactic voyage, and because the Mass Relays are a signature of the Mass Effect franchise and it won't feel quite right with them gone. 

[Kabooooom]

I wonder what A.R.K.C.O.N actually means. It is probably both an acronym and an abbreviation, I would guess. Short for "Ark Contingency", maybe? With the acronym being Andromeda (obviously). Reconnaissance. ??????? . Colonization. ??????. ?????? .

Meh, who knows. Could be fun to speculate and see if we get it right though. The first word is definitely Andromeda.

[x Raizer x]

I hope it is a Mass Relay, both because Mass Relays being in Andromeda lead to interesting implications and deal with a lot of the issues that exist with this intergalactic voyage, and because the Mass Relays are a signature of the Mass Effect franchise and it won't feel quite right with them gone. 

 

I agree with you.  Mass Effect would feel a bit emptier without Mass Effect relays, in some form.  I highly doubt we have seen the last we will see of Mass Effect relays, though.  Relays, along with Mass Effect and element zero based technology itself, are an integral part of Mass Effect lore, similar to Lyrium in the Dragon Age universe.

 

I just wonder if Reapers are along the same lines?  Initially, I doubted we'd see Reapers again.  But for some reason, as time passes since E3 2015, I get the feeling that maybe we haven't seen the last of the Reapers quite yet...

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Hmmm.. Orange, black and hexagonal... Cerberus reinvented!

 

Mass Effect does not mean mass relays. Mass Effect is the technology that drives FTL, kinetic barriers, artificial gravity and all that other stuff.

 

ARKCON - Ark contingency. I tend to agree. A last ditch attempt at continuity of civilization during the reaper war. Probably a secret project begun after the Battle of the Citadel by the Council. Never discussed openly because it would have caused panic. Also where would it be constructed? I've said it before - Note the Asari world Nevos' population does not have a pre-invasion number.

 

The ark uses the mass effect core from Sovereign. It travels at reaper speeds which is much faster than listed in the codex as we saw from the end of ME2 to their arrival at the Alpha Relay. By using this core they would not have to discharge.

 

Takes place a long time after Mass Effect 3? If they gathered the numbers into the ark and launched it... say after the Fall of Thessia, they would be well on their way to Andromeda and out of range of the waves from the Crucible when it was fired, but still hundreds of years from the galaxy. Let's colonize that galaxy. It's like the old west. No one lives there. Oh. Wait.

 

Our choices matter, so this is the only way. Plus like I said, Cerberus needs to be involved so that we have human mooks to shoot and not feel bad about it.

[AlleyD]

The Arkcon emblem seems to me to be representative of an earlier concept art image

 

[KaiserShep]

I really hope that whatever that hypergate-looking device is, it's part of the game. 

[Gemini Freak]

You know... that neo-relay/hypergate/space station looks like a Remnant structure (assuming the complex thing that rose out of the desert planet is of Remnant origin). Maybe an Orbital Facility like the ones mentioned in the leak?

[Broganisity]

First off, and I will always say: Fix that hole in the ceiling, the leaks are making the carpet smell like a pile of dead pyjacks.

Secondly, remember how the Fallout 4 leak said you'd only be able to play as a man? Nope.

Continue taking the leaks with a grain of salt, and work to punish people who let out such things.

[Kabooooom]

You know... that neo-relay/hypergate/space station looks like a Remnant structure (assuming the complex thing that rose out of the desert planet is of Remnant origin). Maybe an Orbital Facility like the ones mentioned in the leak?

I think it is a Remnant structure, but I don't think it is an orbital facility. Another piece of concept art, which looks more synthetic in origin with pyramid like structures on the floor and ceiling - I bet that is a Remnant "vault" or orbital facility.

This thing though, with the glowing core...it looks like a sort of alien relay.

My guess is, like I said before: I bet that the majority of the game does take place in this Helius cluster, but I bet we discover several links via remnant relay to other expansive clusters as well. Maybe a handful.

And I bet we get to Andromeda via one too. Then, a significant part of the story would involve discovering who the Remnant were, why they built this relay network, and why they linked it to the Milky Way galaxy.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think it is a Remnant structure, but I don't think it is an orbital facility. Another piece of concept art, which looks more synthetic in origin with pyramid like structures on the floor and ceiling - I bet that is a Remnant "vault" or orbital facility.

This thing though, with the glowing core...it looks like a sort of alien relay.

My guess is, like I said before: I bet that the majority of the game does take place in this Helius cluster, but I bet we discover several links via remnant relay to other expansive clusters as well. Maybe a handful.

And I bet we get to Andromeda via one too. Then, a significant part of the story would involve discovering who the Remnant were, why they built this relay network, and why they linked it to the Milky Way galaxy.

But then the question is raised: How did the Reapers miss something the size of and releasing the energy to something that makes travel to another galaxy possible? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree with you.  Mass Effect would feel a bit emptier without Mass Effect relays, in some form.  I highly doubt we have seen the last we will see of Mass Effect relays, though.  Relays, along with Mass Effect and element zero based technology itself, are an integral part of Mass Effect lore, similar to Lyrium in the Dragon Age universe.

 

I just wonder if Reapers are along the same lines?  Initially, I doubted we'd see Reapers again.  But for some reason, as time passes since E3 2015, I get the feeling that maybe we haven't seen the last of the Reapers quite yet...

While I don't think we'll actually see the Reapers anymore, I don't think we will no longer see and feel their legacy and imprint on the universe. In this case, the Mass Relays and the Reapers harvested Andromeda so that the races their are on our level. 

[Kabooooom]

But then the question is raised: How did the Reapers miss something the size of and releasing the energy to something that makes travel to another galaxy possible?

Unknown, but like I said in the other thread - space is vast. You could place something in interstellar space slightly off the relay network and the Reapers would never, ever find it unless they were specifically looking for it. Maybe the Remnant originated in the Milky Way and this was their method of escape, maybe something more sinister is their back story, maybe they are benevolent and from Andromeda but placed this in the Milky Way to allow an escape route for every species that discovers it.

The writers could go in a lot of directions with it, as it is a blank slate. I just hope they don't go in the "the Remnant are ancient and malevolent and they are wiping out galactic civilization for its own good" route again.

[Mr_Commander_Shepard]

So, the Andromeda Galaxy is around 2.5 MILLION light years away from us. That means traveling at the speed of light it would take us 2.5 million years to get there. Now, say we went TWICE the speed of light which is unimaginably fast, it would still take us 1.25 million years to get there. So, as most Astro-Physicists would tell you, the only realistic way we could ever get there is through a wormhole. If you watch the trailer, it's obviously the character uses one to get to the other planet. Worm holes essentialy just bend the universe so it's like walking through a door and you're on the other side. Otherwise I don't see piloting a ship there realistic at all. Unless the speeds of FTL are like 4 times the speed of light or something.

 

Reapers should not make a return, it would conflict with all the endings to ME3. Since the citadel gave access to control or destroy ALL reapers. I don't want them back anyway. I want there to be some otherr ominous threat to emerge.

[Kabooooom]

So, the Andromeda Galaxy is around 2.5 MILLION light years away from us. That means traveling at the speed of light it would take us 2.5 million years to get there. Now, say we went TWICE the speed of light which is unimaginably fast, it would still take us 1.25 million years to get there. So, as most Astro-Physicists would tell you, the only realistic way we could ever get there is through a wormhole. If you watch the trailer, it's obviously the character uses one to get to the other planet. Worm holes essentialy just bend the universe so it's like walking through a door and you're on the other side. Otherwise I don't see piloting a ship there realistic at all. Unless the speeds of FTL are like 4 times the speed of light or something.

Reapers should not make a return, it would conflict with all the endings to ME3. Since the citadel gave access to control or destroy ALL reapers. I don't want them back anyway. I want there to be some otherr ominous threat to emerge.

So...the average FTL speed of ships in Mass Effect is over 4,280 times the speed of light. The Reapers travel over twice that at 11,000 times the speed of light. This equates to 12 and 30 light years per day, respectively.

The trip to Andromeda would take 230 and 571 years, respectively.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The trip to Andromeda would take 230 and 571 years, respectively.

Reaper: 231 years, 284 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes, 28.8 seconds. 

Our Cycle: 579 years, 165 days, 0 hours, 23 minutes, 45.6 seconds*. 

 

*This is without counting the time it would take to discharge the 101,520 times a ship with our tech would need to. 

[Broganisity]

While I don't think we'll actually see the Reapers anymore, I don't think we will no longer see and feel their legacy and imprint on the universe. In this case, the Mass Relays and the Reapers harvested Andromeda so that the races their are on our level. 

I've always doubted that the Reapers just sat around going 'Yup, Milky Way's clear, let's sit back and watch for a few hundred thousand years'.

I'm sure they went from The Milky Way to Andromeda to the Triangulum, and so forth, eventually coming back to the Milky Way. Maybe some sat around, repaired Reapers or worked on the creation of more based on the civilizations harvested but- yeah.

[Lyrandori]

After watching the video from OP's post I kinda of realized something. That is the slightly-curved interactive holographic UI board thingy on which the character in the Andromeda trailer touches to side scroll locations (planets) to explore... well it sort of navigates in a similar way as the one the Illusive Man uses in the ME2's CGI scene with Miranda next to him (that CGI clip is played in the video). I mean, it's similar, and the Illusive Man kinda moves his hands about almost the same way... but it's not exactly identical. I'm starting to wonder if it's just a pure coincidence (which is very likely), or maybe... just maybe that Cerberus has something to do with the technology and/or hardware to "get to" Andromeda. Maybe some experimental Cerberus ship? Or it's something originally started by Cerberus maybe with "Reaper Tech" in it (at least partly) but would later be "completed" by the Alliance and manned / piloted by our protagonist and crew.

 

That, or it's as simple as "Oh look, we conveniently found a wormhole over there, it leads to the Andromeda galaxy just as we happened to be a species in steep decline since that war against the Reapers and in dire need of colonizing new viable and fertile worlds". If it's indeed a wormhole I'll be 1) disappointed by the simplicity of the plot (the plot that explains how we get to Andromeda to start with), but also 2) unsurprised by the predictable plot device since it's pretty much the only "reasonable" method to get there... unless OF COURSE they decide to put some vague but seemingly good-to-solve-everything-difficult-to-explain "Reaper Tech" explanation sauce in there somewhere.

[Valkyrja]

Cerberus confirmed for Mass Effect: Andromeda.

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I've always doubted that the Reapers just sat around going 'Yup, Milky Way's clear, let's sit back and watch for a few hundred thousand years'.

I'm sure they went from The Milky Way to Andromeda to the Triangulum, and so forth, eventually coming back to the Milky Way. Maybe some sat around, repaired Reapers or worked on the creation of more based on the civilizations harvested but- yeah.

Exactly. One of the things we are told about the Reapers is that they strive for the greatest efficiency possible. A being with that drive would not waste 50,000 years doing nothing. The only reason the Vanguard does is because it allows for the rest of the Reapers to come in more efficiently, and even then it tampers with galactic events occasionally to improve the cycle to the point of harvest. But the other Reapers are doing nothing. However if the rest of the fleet spent the entire 50,000 years traveling to and harvesting as many galaxies they can reach without sacrificing their efficiency, that fits their mindset perfectly. 

[Kabooooom]

Reaper: 231 years, 284 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes, 28.8 seconds.
Our Cycle: 579 years, 165 days, 0 hours, 23 minutes, 45.6 seconds*.

*This is without counting the time it would take to discharge the 101,520 times a ship with our tech would need to.

I mean, if you want to be exact . But it depends on the exact point of Andromeda that you enter and the exact point of the Milky Way that you leave.

The Reaper tech powered vessel possibly wouldn't even have to discharge though, as you point out, but we don't technically know that they don't have to. All we know is that they SEEM to not have to, and still build up charge. That'd be quite the gamble to make if it turns out that the Reapers only have to discharge every million light years or so and you fry nearly half way to Andromeda. Oops.

[JasonShepard]

The ark uses the mass effect core from Sovereign. It travels at reaper speeds which is much faster than listed in the codex as we saw from the end of ME2 to their arrival at the Alpha Relay. By using this core they would not have to discharge.

 

Yeah, Reapers really are fast. I've sometimes completed Arrival before the Collector Base - which has the Reapers arrive inside the galaxy before they are shown arriving outside the galaxy. They're so fast that they went back in time!!

 

OT: I'm hoping for some kind of ultra-relay. It that's what the Pathfinder symbol is, great. But honestly, what's our confidence level on all this leaked stuff? Where'd it all come from, and when?