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[Cainhurst Crow]

Farrakhan is an anti semetic and racist idiot

 

He's also a fossil and a vulture. But for some reason people still listen to him.

[The Devlish Redhead]

What do you mean "have to"? they did it.

 

 

http://www.rollingst...e-flag-20150624

 

 

That is stupid.

[Han Shot First]

What I find odd is that everyone is getting upset at a battle flag... Yet, much worse things have been committed under ours. Shouldn't we ban the USA flag as well? 

 

I covered this earlier in the thread.

 

There is probably no nation in existence with a spotless human rights record. Many, including the United States, once allowed slavery. What makes the Confederacy unique is that it was specifically founded on a bedrock of white supremacy. Its sole reason for existence was the desire to protect and preserve African slavery, and it went to war in order to protect it.

 

Because that unique history of the Confederacy, the Confederate flags represent racism and oppression in ways that other national flags do not. 

 

It isn't just that the flags represented the Confederacy either. They were also designed by fire-eaters and white supremacists. William Porcher Miles, the man who chaired the committee that designed the flags, believed slavery to be a divine institution, and in arguing against abolitionism declared that government shouldn't, "make a statesman of him who God intended should be a ploughmen." One of the other members of the committee, William Thompson, stated that, "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or coloured race." Thompson went on to predict that the Stainless Banner, a Confederate flag that included the southern cross (a.k.a. the Confederate battle flag) quartered on a white field, would, "soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as the white man's flag."

 

Miles and Thompson were no Betsy Ross.

[Jehuty]

I covered this earlier in the thread.

 

There is probably no nation in existence with a spotless human rights record. Many, including the United States, once allowed slavery. What makes the Confederacy unique is that it was specifically founded on a bedrock of white supremacy. Its sole reason for existence was the desire to protect and preserve African slavery, and it went to war in order to protect it.

 

Because that unique history of the Confederacy, the Confederate flags represent racism and oppression in ways that other national flags do not. 

 

It isn't just that the flags represented the Confederacy either. They were also designed by fire-eaters and white supremacists. William Porcher Miles, the man who chaired the committee that designed the flags, believed slavery to be a divine institution, and in arguing against abolitionism declared that government shouldn't, "make a statesman of him who God intended should be a ploughmen." One of the other members of the committee, William Thompson, stated that, "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the heaven ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or coloured race." Thompson went on to predict that the Stainless Banner, a Confederate flag that included the southern cross (a.k.a. the Confederate battle flag) quartered on a white field, would, "soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as the white man's flag."

 

Miles and Thompson were no Betsy Ross.

 

I no longer want anything to do with this thread anymore... I... give up.... 

 

Seriously.... just.... stop... Just.... 

[AventuroLegendary]

Thompson went on to predict that the Stainless Banner, a Confederate flag that included the southern cross (a.k.a. the Confederate battle flag) quartered on a white field, would, "soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as the white man's flag."

 

And, true enough, it has become a symbol of racial supremacy everywhere but the South (or Brazil, look up Confederados).

 

This is why you get weird images of Afrikaner separatists and Ukrainian neonazis hoisting up the banner.

[Han Shot First]

 

 

I no longer want anything to do with this thread anymore... I... give up.... 

 

Seriously.... just.... stop... Just.... 

 

You're bowing out because you can't argue with the historical record. Facts are facts, whether or not you approve of them. And the facts are that the Confederate leadership declared African slavery the cause for their new nation would be founded when they drafted the declarations of secession. Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, in his Cornerstone speech, declared the Confederacy to be a nation founded on "the great truth that the n3gro is not equal to the white man." When you get past the denial stage, I suggest you give them a read.

[Jehuty]

You're bowing out because you can't argue with the historical record. Facts are facts, whether or not you approve of them. And the facts are that the Confederate leadership declared African slavery the cause for their new nation would be founded when they drafted the declarations of secession. Confederate Vice President Alexander Stephens, in his Cornerstone speech, declared the Confederacy to be a nation founded on "the great truth that the n3gro is not equal to the white man." When you get past the denial stage, I suggest you give them a read.

No, I'm leaving because of the fact that you misunderstand the flag completely and the sheer ignorance. I don't feel like arguing with people who act like, "The South was evil and a slave nation" and all that crap when in truth the North was just as guilty and slavery had been going on LONG before the civil war and discrimination long after. 

 

Don't give me that Bulls**t Han. 

[Han Shot First]

No, I'm leaving because of the fact that you misunderstand the flag completely and the sheer ignorance. I don't feel like arguing with people who act like, "The South was evil and a slave nation" and all that crap when in truth the North was just as guilty and slavery had been going on LONG before the civil war and discrimination long after. 

 

Don't give me that Bulls**t Han. 

 

The Confederacy was evil and a slave nation. The Confederate leadership said so in their own words. Well, except for the evil part. Evil people never actually think they are evil.

 

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

 

Mississippi Declaration of Secession

[Hellion Rex]

 

The Confederacy was evil and a slave nation. The Confederate leadership said so in their own words. Well, except for the evil part. Evil people never actually think they are evil.

 

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

 

Mississippi Declaration of Secession

Bring it home, Han!

[Jehuty]

 

The Confederacy was evil and a slave nation. The Confederate leadership said so in their own words. Well, except for the evil part. Evil people never actually think they are evil.

 

"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin."

 

Mississippi Declaration of Secession

The South was dependent on slavery, yes, but you treat the flag as a racist object and such. Something it isn't. The North wasn't a good nation either, and both had blacks (No offense forums) fight, whatever if they liked it or not. Also slavery was never a problem... until the civil war. Beforehand no one cared. 

 

You misunderstand the flag completely, and thus ignorance is bred, a type I cannot abide by. You believe it is an object of racism and discrimination. It isn't. The issue here is, this is something that happened a couple hundred years ago and people still want to be crybabies about it. I have a problem with the tree huggers, and I must assume you are one, though I may be incorrect. If you cannot let go of those events, then you are simply part of what's wrong with society. 

 

And one more thing, in war, there isn't "Good or Evil" there is only the victor, the defeated, the living and the dead. 

[Jehuty]

The civil war is something that has happened over two hundred years ago. If people still cannot let go of it then something is wrong with them. 

[Hellion Rex]

The civil war is something that has happened over two hundred years ago. If people still cannot let go of it then something is wrong with them.

Kinda hard to get over racism, considering many African Americans, myself included, deal with it every day. The only wrong thing here is your rather flippant attitude of "get over it".

Also, it was only about 150 years ago.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Again. Grant went on after fighting in the civil war to go and take over santa domingo, and subjugate its people to the US interests. His actions left permenant scars on the Dominican Republic and Haiti that are still felt, and are as long lasting as those of the french and spanish conquerors.

Some hero of the north.

[Jehuty]

Kinda hard to get over racism, considering many African Americans, myself included, deal with it every day. The only wrong thing here is your rather flippant attitude of "get over it".

Also, it was only about 150 years ago.

Thanks for the year correction. 

 

 

It's something that happened long ago. Modern day racism is something to be concerned about, but something that happened long ago shouldn't be. 

[Clover Rider]

A weeaboo confederate sympathizer?

 

No.

 

The weeaboo confederate sympathizer.

[Fast Jimmy]

The South was dependent on slavery, yes, but you treat the flag as a racist object and such. Something it isn't.

As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. … Such a flag…would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN'S FLAG. … As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism.

-William Tappan Thompson, designer of the Confederate Battle Flag


No, the flag was never, EVER a symbol of slavery or white supremacy... errr...

[Zanallen]

I think the Confederate flag should be taken down from state buildings. It has no place there. However, I couldn't give two shits if stores want to keep selling it. That's their prerogative. Just like I don't care if people fly the flag in their own home. I do get annoyed when people claim the flag doesn't symbolize racism or racial hatred or that the war wasn't about slavery. 'Cause they are demonstrably wrong. But I don't get annoyed enough to bother doing anything about it.

[Milan92]

-William Tappan Thompson, designer of the Confederate Battle Flag

As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause. … Such a flag…would soon take rank among the proudest ensigns of the nations, and be hailed by the civilized world as THE WHITE MAN'S FLAG. … As a national emblem, it is significant of our higher cause, the cause of a superior race, and a higher civilization contending against ignorance, infidelity, and barbarism.

 

Excuse me while I puke.

[Majestic Jazz]

 

 

Apple is exercising it's rights as a company to censor whatever is on their store because they have the right to do so. But they're not exercising freedom of expression, there is no thought out reason behind this; it's only a knee jerk reaction (and a dumb one at that) to the shooting in South Carolina.

 

And who says that Apple HAS to sell someone' else product?

 

I mean you talk as it it is a right for a company to be able to sell their products on Apple's platform. Again, Apple is exercising their right to not sell a product. If they tell said company to censor their stuff or they won't sell their products, then that is just typical business practices. Does it suck? Yes, but please do not act like Apple is mandated to sell certain products because they are not.

 

And again, how does this affect YOU in any way? Do you have products that Apple is refusing to sell because of this new rule?

[Jehuty]

A weeaboo confederate sympathizer?

 

No.

 

The weeaboo confederate sympathizer.

That doesn't make any sense. A weeaboo rejects American culture and thinks they're Japanese, is completely obsessed about anime and manga, and so on and so forth. Why would a weeaboo support a confederate flag anyway? They wouldn't. 

 

I think you are mistaking me for something I'm not Geth. 

[Jehuty]

Neither does confederate sympathizing, yet here you are.

Heritage. Am I not allowed to support it?