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The southern states seceded because of slavery
...As well as state and property rights and the belief that they were being politically marginalized. There is no either or here. These issues were all tied together at the time. I've studied this topic and conferred with college professors that specialize in the antebellum south and slavery in the Americas. What politicians say in their rhetoric is not the sum total of history.
No one is. Han Shot First is making an argument.
You don't know how to argue.
I have already presented my side, and I'm going against overwhelming majority. Something I cannot possibly hope to win against since most of this thread is against me.
And may the North raze again.
They can't do it if they bend over and let their guns be taken away by the goverenment.
The southern states seceded because of slavery
...As well as state and property rights and the belief that they were being politically marginalized. There is no either or here. These issues were all tied together at the time. I've studied this topic and conferred with college professors that specialize in the antebellum south and slavery in the Americas. What politicians say in their rhetoric is not the sum total of history.
The problem with "state and property rights" is that the South was perfectly willing to ****** all over both of those when it came to protecting slavery. The war was fought for slavery and slavery alone. There were certainly other factors that lead to the North and South being so divided from one another on social, economic and politcal issues, but it was slavery that drove them to war.
The standard image of Southern slavery is that of a large plantation with hundreds of slaves. In fact, such situations were rare. Fully 3/4 of Southern whites did not even own slaves; of those who did, 88% owned twenty or fewer.
"African slavery is the corner-stone of the industrial, social, and political fabric of the South; and whatever wars against it, wars against her very existence. Strike down the institution of African slavery and you reduce the South to depopulation and barbarism.....
The anti-slavery party contend that slavery is wrong in itself, and the Government is a consolidated national democracy. We of the South contend that slavery is right, and that this is a confederate Republic of sovereign States."
---Lawrence Keitt, Congressman from South Carolina, January 25, 1860
"Our people have come to this on the question of slavery. I am willing, in that address to rest it upon that question. I think it is the great central point from which we are now proceeding, and I am not willing to divert the public attention from it."
---Lawrence Keitt, December 22, 1860
"The area of slavery must be extended correlative with its antagonism, or it will be put speedily in the 'course of ultimate extinction.'....The extension of slavery is the vital point of the whole controversy between the North and the South...Amendments to the federal constitution are urged by some as a panacea for all the ills that beset us. That instrument is amply sufficient as it now stands, for the protection of Southern rights, if it was only enforced. The South wants practical evidence of good faith from the North, not mere paper agreements and compromises. They believe slavery a sin, we do not, and there lies the trouble."
----Henry M. Rector, Governor of Arkansas, at the Arkansas Secession Convention
"Sir, the great question which is now uprooting this Government to its foundation----the great question which underlies all our deliberations here, is the question of African slavery."
---Thomas F. Goode, delegate to the Virginia Secession Convention
"The question of slavery is the rock upon which the Old Government split: it is the cause of secession."
---G.T. Yelverton, delegate to the Alabama Secession Convention
"Gentlemen of the Convention: We meet together under no ordinary circumstances. The rapid spread of Northern fanaticism has endangered our liberties and institutions, and the election of Abraham Lincoln, a wily abolitionist, to the Presidency of the United States, destroys all hope for the future."
---John C. Pelot, delegate to the Flordia secession convention
"I say, then, that viewed from that standpoint, there is but one single subject of complaint which virginia has to make against the government under which we live; a complaint made by the whole South, and that is on the subject of African slavery....
.... the great cause of complaint now is the slavery question, and the questions growing out of it. If there is any other cause of complaint which has been influential in any quarter, to bring about the crisis which is now upon us; if any State or any people have made the troubles growing out of this question, a pretext for agitation instead of a cause of honest complaint, Virginia can have no sympathy whatever, in any such feeling, in any such policy, in any such attempt. It is the slavery question. Is it not so?"
---John C. Baldwin, delegate to the Virginia secession convention
The main destination of Sexual Slaves on earth is U and S and A! Mostly from South-East Asia.
Now say again that there is no slavery in America if you can.
The standard image of Southern slavery is that of a large plantation with hundreds of slaves. In fact, such situations were rare. Fully 3/4 of Southern whites did not even own slaves; of those who did, 88% owned twenty or fewer.
All the kudos to the people that put some effort in to at least get "something" into Impulse. You're fighting an impossible fight but very noble fight
Well, at least Rah knows that I'm stubborn as hell.
I know the South had slaves, perfectly aware of that. However, there was more to the civil war than slavery. Something some people won't admit. I know, slavery was part of the reason, but not entirely. There must to have been other reasons as well.
Well, at least Rah knows that I'm stubborn as hell.
I know the South had slaves, perfectly aware of that. However, there was more to the civil war than slavery. Something some people won't admit. I know, slavery was part of the reason, but not entirely. There must to have been other reasons as well.
What other reasons? Post your justification for making that claim and evidence supporting those other reasons.
Well, at least Rah knows that I'm stubborn as hell.
I know the South had slaves, perfectly aware of that. However, there was more to the civil war than slavery. Something some people won't admit. I know, slavery was part of the reason, but not entirely. There must to have been other reasons as well.
Stubborn isn't good. That's how relationships fail, I've been caught being stubborn though it's only when I really pushed but my ex on the other hand tried to get into arguments over the most stupidest things such as how terms are used.
Going down this path may seem like you're an individual but it's only going to end in pain and isolation though not at your choosing.
Well, at least Rah knows that I'm stubborn as hell.
I know the South had slaves, perfectly aware of that. However, there was more to the civil war than slavery. Something some people won't admit. I know, slavery was part of the reason, but not entirely. There must to have been other reasons as well.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Where is yours?
You allege that slavery was not the primary cause of the country fracturing, despite the men who led their states in secession, repeatedly stating that it was. The weight of evidence is piling up against your claims, which so far, remain completely unsupported.
Again, you're making a dividing line where there isn't one. It's often forgotten today it seems but there was a very legitimate question at the time of whether or not the federal government had the authority to outlaw slavery at all. The civil war wasn't triggered because of a move towards full emancipation, no such movement really existed at that time, it was triggered by the election of Abraham Lincoln on an anti-slavery platform without a single southern vote. The south saw this as a precursor to a northern attempt to marginalized them and violate their rights.The problem with "state and property rights" is that the South was perfectly willing to ****** all over both of those when it came to protecting slavery. The war was fought for slavery and slavery alone. There were certainly other factors that lead to the North and South being so divided from one another on social, economic and politcal issues, but it was slavery that drove them to war.
I'm like a commentator that stays behind, suddenly shoots an objective opinion and returns to the shadows. Guess what... I'm the most right here!
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