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[Cyonan]

I will note that while I don't have any issues with seeing boobs(because let's be honest, that is 95% of nudity in games), I've never really felt like doing so ever really added much from a narrative standpoint. Even Cassandra's post romance scene could be done with clever camera angles like they do for ME1 sex scenes.

 

I'm not attacking. I'm just saying that's probably why people having issues with nudity. Don't take what I said literal.

 

You would be as wrong as anybody who says that those who want nudity probably only want it because they don't get to see the opposite gender naked in real life.

 

They're both just pointless ad hominems.

[ZipZap2000]

Gotta love how the only options are apparently "Game of Thrones" or "underwear sex"

And how not wanting nudity in a game means you are unworthy of "popular culture"

Totally back the sentiment here. To each their own which I think is where characters like Josie come in to it.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I will note that while I don't have any issues with seeing boobs(because let's be honest, that is 95% of nudity in games), I've never really felt like doing so ever really added much from a narrative standpoint. Even Cassandra's post romance scene could be done with clever camera angles like they do for ME1 sex scenes.


You would be as wrong as anybody who says that those who want nudity probably only want it because they don't get to see the opposite gender naked in real life.

They're both just pointless ad hominems.

I'm just simply saying out my own observation and I don't see the big deal with nudity if why some folks having issues with. We see ourselves naked all the time and it's natural to see those things. Just keep nudity in moderation when it comes to romance.

[SnakeCode]

I had a woman sit down on bench besides me in a city park (I live in a major city, so it was the only available spot) a few years ago and begin breast feeding her baby. Other than a brief moment of shock, in that it wasn't something I was used to seeing people do in public at that time...I didn't stare. In fact I probably even looked more intently at the newspaper I was reading because of it being slightly awkward at first. 

 

Honestly, I can't see many men staring...anyone who finds a woman nursing her infant 'sexy' has problems.

 

Yeah, if anything you'll see that many men find their own shoes very interesting all of a sudden.

[PhroXenGold]

I will note that while I don't have any issues with seeing boobs(because let's be honest, that is 95% of nudity in games), I've never really felt like doing so ever really added much from a narrative standpoint. Even Cassandra's post romance scene could be done with clever camera angles like they do for ME1 sex scenes.

 

While that might well be true, is there any reason not to show the nudity? "Clever camera angles" don't add anything to the narrative, so why bother with them when you can just use a "normal" camera angle and show the people naked?

[Cyonan]

While that might well be true, is there any reason not to show the nudity? "Clever camera angles" don't add anything to the narrative, so why bother with them when you can just use a "normal" camera angle and show the people naked?

 

That's kind of the thing about this whole debate. There's no real reason not to have nudity, but there's also no real reason to have it either.

 

Really as long as they're not Dragon Age Origins level of silly, I'll probably be fine with them personally.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, it's a standard move to try and put the burden of proof on the other side. Then the next guy flips it back to you, and around we go. Which makes sense, since whichever side ends up having to prove that its personal taste is a "necessity" will lose.

[Bizantura]

North Amerika is the dominant culture and leads the western allies what is appropriate and not, sex included.

 

Living in Europe I find it sad the import of the USA culture to replace my own.

 

Games are taylored to the American market even if made in Europe and the last game with its own identity was Witcher series.  Only the Asian gaming market can afford to be its own.

[NM_Che56]

I am fine with a little, very quick, softcore nudity. I think if it suits a storyline or an intimate scene and can be done tastefully then that is ok with me. I would not be ok with anything beyond what BioWare have already done. I think they've done pretty well in their limited nude scenes. I don't think a bare nipple or exposed derriere for a few seconds is going to kill anyone.

 

Let's not talk about DA:I nipples.  Shinny copper discs...

[NM_Che56]

I had a woman sit down on bench besides me in a city park (I live in a major city, so it was the only available spot) a few years ago and begin breast feeding her baby. Other than a brief moment of shock, in that it wasn't something I was used to seeing people do in public at that time...I didn't stare. In fact I probably even looked more intently at the newspaper I was reading because of it being slightly awkward at first. 

 

Honestly, I can't see many men staring...anyone who finds a woman nursing her infant 'sexy' has problems.

 

There are websites for that.  Just sayin.

[Killdren88]

There are websites for that.  Just sayin.

 

Welcome to the internet, Where everything is a fetish for a least one person.

[Iakus]

While that might well be true, is there any reason not to show the nudity? "Clever camera angles" don't add anything to the narrative, so why bother with them when you can just use a "normal" camera angle and show the people naked?

 

Because nudity makes some people uncomfortable?  And all things being equal, isn't the polite thing to do is to refrain from things that make people ill at ease?

[JoltDealer]

I question the necessity of it in DAI.
 
And Witcher 3, from what I've seen, is not a good example of "tasteful and appropriate"

Well necessity is an entirely different matter. Nobody needs to get completely undressed to do the horizontal mambo, but, just like in movies, nudity has an impact on the experience and atmosphere of the moment. If you're having some post-loving chatter, are you actually covering yourself up with blankets as though someone is watching? Probably not, and I'm not going to fault any work of fiction for not adhering to an outdated convention such as that.

Now when I say "tasteful and appropriate," I could care less what your definition of that is. For the sake of establishing some contrast, PC nudity mods are tasteless and inappropriate as there is neither rhyme nor reason to it. However, if you're in a strip club, brothel, or hanging around the home of an eccentric playboy, you're going to see some nudity. Seeing as nudity in the Witcher 3 was mostly contained to brothels, public bathhouses, and romance scenes, I don't see it as inappropriate. It was appropriate in its context and, seeing as no one was bending over and spreading any cheeks, I'd say that nudity was not tasteless either.

The option to not include nudity does not make the inclusion of it tasteless or inappropriate. Given the setting and situations it's used in, there's nothing wrong with including nudity and, considering the age of most of their player base, there's not much of reason for Bioware to shy away from it.

[Iakus]

Well necessity is an entirely different matter. Nobody needs to get completely undressed to do the horizontal mambo, but, just like in movies, nudity has an impact on the experience and atmosphere of the moment. If you're having some post-loving chatter, are you actually covering yourself up with blankets as though someone is watching? Probably not, and I'm not going to fault any work of fiction for not adhering to an outdated convention such as that.
 

Sure.  Except in a movie (or a game)  someone is watching.  The player.  For myself, I find that rather voyeuristic.

[Sartoz]

Because nudity makes some people uncomfortable?  And all things being equal, isn't the polite thing to do is to refrain from things that make people ill at ease?

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Not if the game cover says Mature, Nudity and/or foul language. Then the ill at ease people won't buy it. Or, if they do, they are not entitled to complain.

[greenbrownblue]

Well, as I recall DA:I was the first game of BioWare (haven't played games before origins/ME 1 except Kotor) with actual nudity in it. Do you think it was a good move of BioWare as it of course i an adult franchise and do you think they should put it also in the new Mass Effect?

Yeah! And please finally explain how do Salarians reproduce xd

[JoltDealer]

Sure.  Except in a movie (or a game)  someone is watching.  The player.  For myself, I find that rather voyeuristic.

Then it becomes a matter of what does and doesn't suit your personal tastes and whether or not the developers' tastes coincide with yours.

[von uber]

Because nudity makes some people uncomfortable? And all things being equal, isn't the polite thing to do is to refrain from things that make people ill at ease?

What if I find the use of guns makes me uncomfortable? Afterall they are a rarity in the UK, and as we don't (yet) have a militarised police force the sight of an unarmed black man shot dead in the street is an exceptionally unusual event.

[Ahglock]

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Not if the game cover says Mature, Nudity and/or foul language. Then the ill at ease people won't buy it. Or, if they do, they are not entitled to complain.

 

But the game cover can just as easily state Mature, but not include nudity as one of the reasons. And since it adds absolutely nothing, makes some people uncomfortable maybe that would be the better and politer choice. And if you need nudity in your games you would not be entitled to complain.

[FKA_Servo]

Because nudity makes some people uncomfortable?  And all things being equal, isn't the polite thing to do is to refrain from things that make people ill at ease?

 

It shouldn't be their sole preoccupation, though. There are lots of things in DA (and other games, for that matter) that have made me a little uncomfortable for whatever reason. I think that's a point in their favor, generally.

 

I still think that it's probably best to - for the most part - sequester that stuff predictably and let the player self-censor if they feel it's necessary. So that way, you know to avoid doing the romance, or going to the brothel, or whatever, because that's where that content will mostly be. And I'd support having more than one path in romances that don't necessarily culminate in a love scene (although on the other hand, I'd like some romances to dump your PC if they want to get freaky and the PC doesn't), because that adds more variety.

 

But like anything else that we argue about back and forth on this board, nudity has value, and it shouldn't be verboten. I'm not too concerned with some people getting uncomfortable, and the developers shouldn't be, either. If it's that big a deal, I don't see the harm in just getting up and grabbing a drink. Or skipping the cutscene, if it is indeed skippable (which of course it should be). Or, failing all that, just soldiering through it stoically.

[Andrew Lucas]

Let's not talk about DA:I nipples.  Shinny copper discs...

Let's add that next to "Hair" in the list of BSN's complaints.

Also, a drink for shinny nipples!

[KamuiStorm]

I for one am all for nudity, now I am a huge nerd when it comes to story, backstory, lore etc but If I chose to be in a relationship with a crew member or random alien babe when the situation calls for it I.e having hot alien sex or passionate foreplay or even comical "oops I walked in on you changing" scenes. I want nudity appropriate for those situations, if I'm having sex with liara(love me some liara) I want a decent amount of nudity perhaps not full blown hardcore porn grade nudity but more than what has been shown thus far, I want Asari boobs, ass, full blown full frontal. If I'm being intimate with my chosen romance counterpart I would love to see some partial nudity such as undies and bras maybe even a nip slip but nothing full frontal though to have the option to advance it to full blown sex would be a welcome addition. He'll maybe thrown in a system that will reflect on how you approach the relationship, if you're being forceful then no alien ****** Vice versa. Lastly during comical moments like walking in on changing a mixture of both would be great.

Again to reiterate, during sex scenes I would love full blown nudity nothing hc porn grade but maybe half way? Also boob/butt physics, I want bouncing and jiggling going on.

For intimate foreplay make out sessions partial nudity would be great maybe nip slips, then for comical moments a mix of both. I would be happy with boob/butt physics so long as I had an asari to romance

[Wulfram]

While that might well be true, is there any reason not to show the nudity? "Clever camera angles" don't add anything to the narrative, so why bother with them when you can just use a "normal" camera angle and show the people naked?

I think nudity can be distracting. Because we tend to hide certain areas of the body away, when they're shown they automatically become a focus of attention. So if you're trying to do a tender character focused moment, like the scene with Cassandra, I think it can take away from it even if its logical.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I for one am all for nudity, now I am a huge nerd when it comes to story, backstory, lore etc but If I chose to be in a relationship with a crew member or random alien babe when the situation calls for it I.e having hot alien sex or passionate foreplay or even comical "oops I walked in on you changing" scenes. I want nudity appropriate for those situations, if I'm having sex with liara(love me some liara) I want a decent amount of nudity perhaps not full blown hardcore porn grade nudity but more than what has been shown thus far, I want Asari boobs, ass, full blown full frontal. If I'm being intimate with my chosen romance counterpart I would love to see some partial nudity such as undies and bras maybe even a nip slip but nothing full frontal though to have the option to advance it to full blown sex would be a welcome addition. He'll maybe thrown in a system that will reflect on how you approach the relationship, if you're being forceful then no alien ****** Vice versa. Lastly during comical moments like walking in on changing a mixture of both would be great.

Again to reiterate, during sex scenes I would love full blown nudity nothing hc porn grade but maybe half way? Also boob/butt physics, I want bouncing and jiggling going on.

For intimate foreplay make out sessions partial nudity would be great maybe nip slips, then for comical moments a mix of both. I would be happy with boob/butt physics so long as I had an asari to romance

Or they can just introduce Kama Sutra elements when it comes to romance, art of seduction, and sex positions in Mass Effect and Dragon Age series.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah! And please finally explain how do Salarians reproduce xd

They already have:

The salarians are amphibian haplo-diploid egg-layers; unfertilized eggs produce males and fertilized eggs produce females. Once a year, a salarian female will lay a clutch of dozens of eggs. Social rules prevent all but a fraction from being fertilized. As a result, 90% of the species is male.