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[Andrew Lucas]

I vote for tasteful nudity with your LI's.

Oh yeah, kinky stuff for the children that play BW's games.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

That's not as easy as you make it out to be, or possible at all for that matter, for some people.

Just sayin'.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why shouldn't you see it?

Works both ways, amigo.

I think Iakus was more pointing out that Dorian was a romance where the sex scene was optional rather than making a statement like you are thinking.

[Andrew Lucas]

Point remains.

[Monster A-Go Go]

Oh yeah, kinky stuff for the children that play BW's games.

 

The children who play BW games have guardians who can read the ratings on the box, just like children who go to see a movie have guardians who can check to see if it's rated R.

 

In fact, there's even less excuse with the game rating system, considering the content objections are written directly on the box.

[Andrew Lucas]

The children who play BW games have guardians who can read the ratings on the box, just like children who go to see a movie have guardians who can check to see if it's rated R.
 
In fact, there's even less excuse with the game rating system, considering the content objections are written directly on the box.

So...what's your point here...?

[Donk]

 

On the subject of "think of the childrenz": The games get a mature rating for a reason. If you have children, it's your responsibility as a parent to ensure they don't see it, if you don't wish them to. Another note I might add here is that they've probably seen a hell of a lot worse, they know more than you think. Hell, why do you think Nintendo is failing? Cause "kiddy games" just ain't popular any more. Youngsters these days play games like COD and GTA. (Hence Target and Kmart retailers in my country taking GTA V off the shelves, in a bid to censor".

 

On the subject of "tasteful" nudity: to me, nudity is nudity. Sexual attraction is a normal human aspect. We've gone from old fashioned taboo beliefs to "it's offensive". It baffles me.

I for one enjoy Miranda's butt. I enjoy her breasts. I enjoy her body. I enjoy Samara's as well. I know for a fact many straight females find Jacob sexy for those "fanservicy" reasons. They also really dig Vega. There is nothing wrong with it.

 

There is romance. Often in romance, there's a point where you have sex. You strip off. You see somebody naked. Big deal! If it's that bad, if you can't handle the content, then perhaps you shouldn't play these sorts of games that have mature content.

 

However, the way to make it completely "fair" on everybody, is like somebody suggested, make sex optional. But getting rid of all of those nice little things that appeal to mine (and many other's) base instincts? Hell no.

[Seraphim24]

Well hold on everyone, Bioware at least a little bit tends to have a negative view of sexuality on some level.

 

As mentioned before, it's very or often seems to aspire towards some kind of Austen Romantic which is not necessarily hyper conservative but necessarily too different from the norm at the same time.

 

Not to mention, I'd rather not make a big stink out of that, the demisexuality idea I think speaks to a lot of Bioware players whether they like to admit or not.

[Donk]

Well hold on everyone, Bioware at least a little bit tends to have a negative view of sexuality on some level.

 

The fact that they often kind of go out of their way with SPLASH SPLASH M RATING OH ROMANCE OH is as sure a sign as any we're dealing with virginal types...

 

Not to mention, I'd rather not make a big stink out of that, the demisexuality idea I think speaks to a lot of Bioware players whether they like to admit or not.

 

As mentioned before, it's very Austen Romantic which is not necessarily hyper conservative but necessarily far out either...

 

Negative in what way?

 

I have no issue with people who want a demisexual romance. In fact, I encourage it. More for everybody. My issue is with content getting axed in a bid to appease people who might get offended, when imo, there really isn't anything to get offended about to begin with. Under our clothing we are nude flesh. Why is that such a bad thing, and why is it so bad to be drawn or attracted to that?

ESPECIALLY in a fictional video game.

[Seraphim24]

Negative in what way?

 

I have no issue with people who want a demisexual romance. In fact, I encourage it. More for everybody. My issue is with content getting axed in a bid to appease people who might get offended, when imo, there really isn't anything to get offended about to begin with. Under our clothing we are nude flesh. Why is that such a bad thing, and why is it so bad to be drawn or attracted to that?

ESPECIALLY in a fictional video game.

 

It's just somewhat conservative, as stated it's very much close to or aspiring to kind of Austen Victorian romance or something around there.

 

I didn't mean "sex negative" as in negative negative, but sex isn't really viewed as like.. it's just like I said not hyper conservative but not necessarily the opposite...

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It doesn't really have anything to do with the presence of absence or this particular issue or that, I just mean, as a running theme throughout all he Bioware games I've played that's what I've noticed. It's pretty different and energizing in general, however, I just would also say from another pespective, it can be conservative at times.

[Seraphim24]

Also agreed NA has some awesome pizza.

Spoiler

 

[Donk]

It's just somewhat conservative, as stated it's very much close to or aspiring to kind of Austen Victorian romance or something around there.

 

I didn't mean "sex negative" as in negative negative, but sex isn't really viewed as like.. it's just like I said not hyper conservative but not necessarily the opposite...

 

I'm confused.

 

You are talking about demisexuality right? That it's conservative due to the fact that the attraction isn't sexual until you get to know the person?

 

I wouldn't call it conservative really. I probably shouldn't go into this but to me, people with conservative ways of thinking (in regard to sex) often deny their base sexual instincts in the name of morality. Whereas demisexuality is just natural for them.

[Seraphim24]

I'm confused.

 

You are talking about demisexuality right? That it's conservative due to the fact that the attraction isn't sexual until you get to know the person?

 

I wouldn't call it conservative really. I probably shouldn't go into this but to me, people with conservative ways of thinking (in regard to sex) often deny their base sexual instincts in the name of morality. Whereas demisexuality is just natural for them.

 

Yeah... ok.. well here

 

People you are asserting as a typical conservative mindset are like SUPER conservative. Like what's in a lot of Christiantiy themed Romanctic ideals, the immaculate conception? It's almost like even touching hands and kissing are forbidden, no sex before marriage, that's hyper conservative.

 

That's pretty much, no sexual attraction ever, only in an extreme situation, etc.

 

Demisexuals do not even remotely seem to approximate that, rather, they seem like they were be rather fond of and promote kissing, touching hands, sex before marriage, sex in general, lots of those kinds of things.

 

However, they also seem to obey certain limitations, in fact, the ones given, such as preferring lengthy times of interaction, getting to know people, having certain restrictions, making, it, in a sense, more conservative, or in another sense, "sex negative."

 

In many ways, I see it as part of the spectrum of moving towards increasing.. like if your tyical video game / comic geek of some kind is probably already more likely to view kissing/whatever more positively, demisexuality actually strikes me as moving past that point as well.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@Guinevere: Stop. You aren't using the term right. It is not a mindset. It is an orientation. 

[Seraphim24]

@Guinevere: Stop. You aren't using the term right.

 

Demisexuality clearly on some level in relation to something offers a conservative perspective on sex? I can't just say that? I already said I'm not saying it's bad or something, but I am saying what it is.

[Seraphim24]

Well ok, fine, Demisexuality is whatever it is, but BIOWARE GAMES on some level offer a somewhat conservative perspective on sexuality, fine, I'll leave demisexuality out of it. Sorry.

 

Not conservative by the standards of some fairly extreme standards which is actually somewhat common, but in principle on some level, yes.

[Monster A-Go Go]

So...what's your point here...?

 

I'll feed you just once, in hopes you're not actually living under a bridge listening for goats.

 

The point is, kids shouldn't be accessing these games without their guardian's approval, any more than they should be seeing R-rated movies without the same kind of gatekeeping.

 

If guardians care about this kind of thing, there is a clear and available resource to tell them that a game with "Mature Content" has, well, mature content.  They can then take the protective measures of restricting access to this content from their children.  If nudity does not bother them, then they can allow their children permission.

 

If the guardians are too lax in their responsibilities to use the basic reading skills needed to shelter little Timmy from the soul-corrupting boobies, then that failure is on them and not on the company providing the content.  If little Timmy goes behind his guardians' backs and plays the game against their wishes, then that failure on Timmy and not on the company providing the content.  It's a little thing called personal responsibility and it means that your personal failings can't (legitimately) be shifted onto others.

 

All the correct warnings and precautions are in place.  Adults can know with transparency what their children wish to play.  It is not the responsibility of the games industry to forever censor its content to PG-rated sensibilities any more than it is the responsibility of the film industry to censor itself for the same expectations.  This is a storytelling medium, and just like novelists, cinematographers, playwrights, and every other narrative visionary, game companies shouldn't be expected to sanitize their product so that the youngest members of a society can consume it with eyes wide open.

 

There is Disney and there is Tarantino.

There is Dr. Seuss and there is Nabokov.

There is the Legend of Zelda and there is Dragon Age Inquisition.

 

All of them are great, but none of them would be as good if they changed their stories to become more like the others.

[Seraphim24]

Would very much dispute the notion that Bioware games offer fundamentally "mature" content as well...

 

They offer content, whether it's mature or not, or reflective of a certain sentiment of progressiveness or regressiveness, conservatism or liberalism, is really not for them to decide.

 

Personally can find it enjoyable and exciting, for reasons that stand apart from where it stands on some socio-political diagram.

[Donk]

Demisexuality clearly on some level in relation to something offers a conservative perspective on sex? I can't just say that? I already said I'm not saying it's bad or something, but I am saying what it is.

It's not. Put simply it's the half way point between asexuality and sexuality. Demisexuals do not feel primary sexual attraction; that is, they are not sexually aroused by the sight, scent of somebody, etc. They only develop sexual attraction after forming a bond with somebody. At least this is my understanding of it.

My point is. It's natural for them. Where as a conservative viewpoint on sexuality (and I don't meant ALL of them, and yes I am generalising) often consists of denying sexual urges based on their belief and/or morality.

[Seraphim24]

It's not. Put simply it's the half way point between asexuality and sexuality. Demisexuals do not feel primary sexual attraction; that is, they are not sexually aroused by the sight, scent of somebody, etc. They only develop sexual attraction after forming a bond with somebody. At least this is my understanding of it.

My point is. It's natural for them. Where as a conservative viewpoint on sexuality (and I don't meant ALL of them, and yes I am generalising) often consists of denying sexual urges based on their belief and/or morality.

 

I don't know why you could conclude those people deny their sexual urges based on particular belief, it seems just as likely to assume people who prefer mainstream forms of dating or whatever just are only very rarely interested naturally.

 

The only people who seem often to be denying a more robust (kissing/ more sex) type of relationship are frequently it seems to me the Bioware fans, and on the basis of that mainstream perspective (no kissing / no sex) not these other people out there I guess in the "mainstream."

[Andrew Lucas]

I'll feed you just once, in hopes you're not actually living under a bridge listening for goats.
 
The point is, kids shouldn't be accessing these games without their guardian's approval, any more than they should be seeing R-rated movies without the same kind of gatekeeping.
 
If guardians care about this kind of thing, there is a clear and available resource to tell them that a game with "Mature Content" has, well, mature content.  They can then take the protective measures of restricting access to this content from their children.  If nudity does not bother them, then they can allow their children permission.
 
If the guardians are too lax in their responsibilities to use the basic reading skills needed to shelter little Timmy from the soul-corrupting boobies, then that failure is on them and not on the company providing the content.  If little Timmy goes behind his guardians' backs and plays the game against their wishes, then that failure on Timmy and not on the company providing the content.  It's a little thing called personal responsibility and it means that your personal failings can't (legitimately) be shifted onto others.
 
All the correct warnings and precautions are in place.  Adults can know with transparency what their children wish to play.  It is not the responsibility of the games industry to forever censor its content to PG-rated sensibilities any more than it is the responsibility of the film industry to censor itself for the same expectations.  This is a storytelling medium, and just like novelists, cinematographers, playwrights, and every other narrative visionary, game companies shouldn't be expected to sanitize their product so that the youngest members of a society can consume it with eyes wide open.
 
There is Disney and there is Tarantino.
There is Dr. Seuss and there is Nabokov.
There is the Legend of Zelda and there is Dragon Age Inquisition.
 
All of them are great, but none of them would be as good if they changed their stories to become more like the others.

I never said they should, Mr Knows Everything. I don't know where did you get such foolish notion from.

Chill for a sec, will ya?

*Back to DAI*

[Donk]

I don't know why you could conclude those people deny their sexual urges based on particular belief, it seems just as likely to assume people who prefer mainstream forms of dating or whatever just are only very rarely interested naturally.

The only people who seem often to be denying a more robust (kissing/ more sex) type of relationship are frequently it seems to me the Bioware fans, and on the basis of that mainstream perspective (no kissing / no sex) not these other people out there I guess in the "mainstream."

I would further explain but forum rules prevent me from doing so and I already have 12 warning points.

[Iakus]

Depends on the cost of providing those options, of course.

Try and sell it. Rewrite, say, the Cassandra romance so the nudity's skippable. Would something as lame as, say, a toggle that turns underwear on work for you?

 

I'm pretty much on record as saying toggles are unfeasible.  But there is no reason to force a conversation with a topless Cassandra.  Her breasts don't add anything to the scene at all.  The  talk could have taken place in a fully clothed scene and nothing would have been lost.

Why shouldn't you see it?

Works both ways, amigo.

That's kinda the point.  You can see it if you want to, but you don't have to.  ANd still romance him.

[Iakus]

 

 

 The games get a mature rating for a reason 

 

*does a shot*

 

 

 

 We've gone from old fashioned taboo beliefs to "it's offensive". It baffles me.
 

*does a second shot*

 

 

 

 ! If it's that bad, if you can't handle the content, then perhaps you shouldn't play these sorts of games that have mature content.
 

*weeps for his liver*

[Andrew Lucas]

I'm pretty much on record as saying toggles are unfeasible. But there is no reason to force a conversation with a topless Cassandra. Her breasts don't add anything to the scene at all. The talk could have taken place in a fully clothed scene and nothing would have been lost.

That's kinda the point. You can see it if you want to, but you don't have to. ANd still romance him.

Then I guess you romanced him...?

*does a shot*


*does a second shot*


*weeps for his liver*

He has point tho, you know what you're getting yourself into with Bioware games. It seems to me that a toogle option is what you need, but that would be no different from the whole stupid "Action" and other modes one could choose for ME3. The rating would turn out to be pointless.

I understand your point, Iakus, I really do...but it honestly surprises me that you still (apparently) pursues romances at all, I mean - you get to see Ashley's bare butt if you romance her back in ME1, "partial" sex always was the cherry pie in ME games, the last major content in romances, you couldn't just skip them by taking some other route.

If you're really uncomfortable with nudity, then I guess you shouldn't play Andromeda, or maybe do some research before getting into romances, because nudity is something people were asking for ages now, instead of DAO, DA2, and ME3's laziness.

DAI embraced it appropriately, and Andromeda sure will, hopefully.

But yeah, I get what you're saying, each to their own.