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[Cyonan]

That would be gratuitous. 

 

Nudity doesn't offend me. It being gratuitous would. Or rather, I'd be offended that the devs apparently think their average player is a man child.

 

Even if it were just part of the afterward scene like Cassandra and not the actual sex scene?

 

I more made the comment cause in these discussions it seems like some people take up the attitude that female nudity is fine but male nudity is too much and they don't wanna see that. It can come off a bit like "nudity is fine, as long as it's the nudity that I want to see" at times.

 

Although I have to wonder if it's not part of the actual sex scene(and thus not acting like a full blown porno), does the inclusion of wang keep it at a Mature rating or does it go up to R?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Have you seen the love scenes in The Witcher 3 or are you operating on assumption, based on the reputation the series gained with TW2?

 

The romance scenes in TW3 are a little more tame than TW2 and aren't more graphic than the scenes in DA:I. Slightly longer perhaps, but they're also more romantic than DA:I's love scenes. In fact there's more romance in even Geralt's dalliances with side characters than there is in entire romance arcs with full love interests in DA:I.

I've played the entirety of The Witcher 3, so yes. I don't express opinions about games until I've experienced them myself.

 

I disagree. To me, the dalliances were less romantic and more graphic than DAI's. The only time they were more romantic is with Triss and Yennefer.

[SnakeCode]

What is 'The Order: 1886' rated? That has wangs in it and it was completely fine, not gratuitous at all. GTA IV: The Lost and the Damned has an extended male full frontal scene as well, though more for comedic purpose.

[Han Shot First]

Even if it were just part of the afterward scene like Cassandra and not the actual sex scene?

 

I more made the comment cause in these discussions it seems like some people take up the attitude that female nudity is fine but male nudity is too much and they don't wanna see that. It can come off a bit like "nudity is fine, as long as it's the nudity that I want to see" at times.

 

Although I have to wonder if it's not part of the actual sex scene(and thus not acting like a full blown porno), does the inclusion of wang keep it at a Mature rating or does it go up to R?

 

Are you referring to male genitalia? That's the impression I'm getting by it being implied that there's a double standard at play with male gamers being okay with Cassandra's breasts being in that scene, but not with the male Inquisitor being nude. 

 

If so, I don't think breasts and male full frontal are even remotely comparable. The equivalent of male full frontal is female full frontal, which you didn't get with Cassandra either. 

 

That said I wouldn't have been bothered by some male nudity in that scene, but if the male nudity was going to be no more explicit than what we saw with Cassandra, the Inquisitor would have to be lying on his stomach or side instead, and the shot would have to be of his backside. 

[Donk]

"I don't like burgers, lettuce, tomatos, pickles, cheese or seeded buns, but I still want a Big Mac."

That's honestly how certain posts are coming across ITT.

So true.

[Iakus]

Well, it certainly better to stick to E rated games than to try to subvert an existing franchise with a solid M rating because it should be a "safe space".

(is this the right expression?)

 

And here you have an excuse to chug another I suppose.

"Subvert an existing franchise"?  Really?  Providing player feedback about what we would and would not like to see in a game that doesn't even exist yet is "subverting"? 

 

Man I am such a rebel!      

 

Does Mass Effect have such a proud tradition of T&A that asking for an option to not see it is this scary radical idea that threatens the entire franchise?  

 

Oh, yeah, this deserves a shot!

 

 Nudity is not an issue in E rated games.. therefore no one will be offended.. But if you purchase an M rated game with the knowledge that Nudity will be involved and then after the fact say, "well I am offended and all romance scenes should be thrown out" isn't fair either.. This has nothing to do with calling someone childish, this is regarding offensive nature of M rated games.. If you're easily offended than E rated would be the most beneficial option to you as with most M rated games, you will probably be offended in some way...

Nudity is not an issue in T games either.

Heck it's not an issue in most M games either.  

 

So suggesting people stick to E games is rather insulting and yes, implying that the person is in fact, immature.

 

We are not "after the fact"  We don't know what's in MEA.  So it's entirely fair to say "I'd rather not see nudity" in it.  For whatever reason.  Heck I don't even think people are even saying it's offensive.  Just that they are uncomfortable with it for one reason or another.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

"I don't like burgers, lettuce, tomatos, pickles, cheese or seeded buns, but I still want a Big Mac."

 

That's honestly how certain posts are coming across ITT.

Didn't realize violence, sex, and swearing were all this series had going for it. 

[Iakus]

So true.

SO false.

 

"I'd like a BIg Mac, could you hold the tomato, please?

[creeptool]

bioware should have a on and off setting...like if you want a relationship or not or if you want a straight relationship or a same sex relationship...do you want just a harmless flirting or do you want  all out xxx porn lol

[Jewellzify]

Even if it were just part of the afterward scene like Cassandra and not the actual sex scene?

 

I more made the comment cause in these discussions it seems like some people take up the attitude that female nudity is fine but male nudity is too much and they don't wanna see that. It can come off a bit like "nudity is fine, as long as it's the nudity that I want to see" at times.

 

Although I have to wonder if it's not part of the actual sex scene(and thus not acting like a full blown porno), does the inclusion of wang keep it at a Mature rating or does it go up to R?

 

I agree with you, nudity should not be limited to female nudity, however, please correct me if I am wrong, nude breast has been shown for male and female characters in Bioware games as well as butt shots, but I have not seen female genitalia or male genitalia shown in any Bioware game... perhaps that is what keeps it acceptable for most.. Does the nudity offend me? No. Do I enjoy the more explicit cutscenes? Yes, but I am not looking for a porno in game lol I enjoy the class Bioware shows to keep it from becoming a porno, for example if they zoom in on the genitalia while in the act along with awkward noises, that might be a little much and make it trashy, but as it is with TW3 and DAI and such they have kept it pretty classy.

[Cyonan]

Are you referring to male genitalia? That's the impression I'm getting by it being implied that there's a double standard at play with male gamers being okay with Cassandra's breasts being in that scene, but not with the male Inquisitor being nude. 

 

If so, I don't think breasts and male full frontal are even remotely comparable. The equivalent of male full frontal is female full frontal, which you didn't get with Cassandra either. 

 

That said I wouldn't have been bothered by some male nudity in that scene, but if the male nudity was going to be no more explicit than what we saw with Cassandra, the Inquisitor would have to be lying on his stomach or side instead, and the shot would have to be of his backside. 

 

Well when I originally said everything I did mean both male and female, but I get the sense it's the male nudity more people would have a problem with. I more used Cassandra as an example of showing nudity outside of the actual sex scene so that it wouldn't be considered as gratuitous.

 

Though Snake raises an interesting point in that The Order 1886 has full male nudity, and it is rated M. Kind of puts a stopper in the whole "If you don't like M rated content, don't buy M rated games" argument for the people who do have a problem with male nudity.

 

At least as long as it's not turning the actual sex scene into something straight out of rule 34.

[rapscallioness]

SO false.

 

"I'd like a BIg Mac, could you hold the tomato, please?

You're thinking of Burger King.

 

I don;t think Big Mac's even have tomatos..tomatoes.

 

Lesse: two all beef patties; special sauce; cheese; lettuce; pickles; onions; all on a sesame seed buuunnn....yeah no tomatoes.

 

edit: i forgot the onions

[Iakus]

I've never said love equals sex, not even once, but that I don't get the fuss over it when it's something that has been done for years now in Bioware games, and actually being improved since then.

I find odd to believe that the romances continue when it doesn't get really locked before the love scene, before that point, they weren't even dating, and if they do after the main story is done, then you just missed a crucial part of the relationship, so that makes zero sense.

Lack of nudity doesn't mean laziness, read that paragraph once again, the lack of well done love scenes is laziness aka DAO, DA2 and ME3.

I would put ME2 among that list, but at least those scenes end before they get kinky.
 

 

PLenty of others on this very thread sure seem to think romance=sex" Nonskippable nude scenes have not "been done for years"  It's been done once.  And I for one don't want a repeat of that.

 

The sex isn't the crucial part of the relationship.  And the romance does lock in.  ME2 imports prove it.

 

DOes nudity suddenly make a love scene "well done"?  Is the scene with Josephine and the Inquisitor on the couch fully clothed "lazy"?

[Midnight Bliss]

I'd like some frontal male nudity in MEA.

 

Probably never going to happen but still, I can want it.

[Jewellzify]

"Subvert an existing franchise"?  Really?  Providing player feedback about what we would and would not like to see in a game that doesn't even exist yet is "subverting"? 

 

Man I am such a rebel!      

 

Does Mass Effect have such a proud tradition of T&A that asking for an option to not see it is this scary radical idea that threatens the entire franchise?  

 

Oh, yeah, this deserves a shot!

 

Nudity is not an issue in T games either.

Heck it's not an issue in most M games either.  

 

So suggesting people stick to E games is rather insulting and yes, implying that the person is in fact, immature.

 

We are not "after the fact"  We don't know what's in MEA.  So it's entirely fair to say "I'd rather not see nudity" in it.  For whatever reason.  Heck I don't even think people are even saying it's offensive.  Just that they are uncomfortable with it for one reason or another.

 

If the rating warns you of nudity and you disagree with the content than why perform the options that lead to the nudity then complain about the nudity? I am very confused here... Fine if you are against Nudity, but to suggest that just because you are offended by the content and that it should be completely removed is ridiculous.. Sure ME:A's ratings are not out yet, but for the sake of debating let's say the rating comes out tomorrow with M Nudity, Violence Crude Language and Gore.. you know there will be nudity and you will probably buy it anyway and then play the game choosing the options that lead to the nudity and then come back and complain...Going back to DAI, you purchased that game knowing it had nudity and now complain that it should be removed completely for any other games because it made you uncomfortable/offended/or you disagreed, It seems very contradictory to what you are saying about removing the scenes completely.. That is why the comment was made regarding E games.. T games you have the possibility of seeing sexual suggestions like with the Sims franchise, and M has the problems we are discussing now.. E is the safe zone where no one gets put off.. I play games all over the rating spectrum including E games and that doesn't make me childish or immature so implying that people that play E games are immature is an insult within itself..

[creeptool]

Well when I originally said everything I did mean both male and female, but I get the sense it's the male nudity more people would have a problem with. I more used Cassandra as an example of showing nudity outside of the actual sex scene so that it wouldn't be considered as gratuitous.

 

Though Snake raises an interesting point in that The Order 1886 has full male nudity, and it is rated M. Kind of puts a stopper in the whole "If you don't like M rated content, don't buy M rated games" argument for the people who do have a problem with male nudity.

 

At least as long as it's not turning the actual sex scene into something straight out of rule 34.

most people do have a problem with male nudity say for instance say there's a nude male and female and they're jogging on different  streets but at the same time who do you think is going to have the most problems or get in trouble whos going to seem to be the most threatening out of the two?

[Jewellzify]

PLenty of others on this very thread sure seem to think romance=sex" Nonskippable nude scenes have not "been done for years"  It's been done once.  And I for one don't want a repeat of that.

 

The sex isn't the crucial part of the relationship.  And the romance does lock in.  ME2 imports prove it.

 

DOes nudity suddenly make a love scene "well done"?  Is the scene with Josephine and the Inquisitor on the couch fully clothed "lazy"?

 

 No one is saying that there is something wrong with those romances.. However, not everyone agrees with you.. If that is your taste fine, but don't limit others just because you disagree. Are the people saying that the romance scenes like Josephine's should be removed? No. So why is it ok for you to say that because you disagree with nudity, it should be taken out completely?? That is a hypocritical statement...

[Iakus]

If the rating warns you of nudity and you disagree with the content than why perform the options that lead to the nudity then complain about the nudity? I am very confused here... 

Let be provide "clarity and closure"

 

I want skippable nudity.  You want to see it fine.  I want to be able to push a button and advance to the next scene.

 

 

Fine if you are against Nudity, but to suggest that just because you are offended by the content

Wrong

 

 

and that it should be completely removed is ridiculous.. 

Also wrong

 

 

  Sure ME:A's ratings are not out yet, but for the sake of debating let's say the rating comes out tomorrow with M Nudity, Violence Crude Language and Gore.. you know there will be nudity and you will probably buy it anyway and then play the game choosing the options that lead to the nudity and then come back and complain...

That's called "feedback"  I also complained about mage combat mechanics and side quest quality in DAI.  Was I wrong to do that too?

 

 

 

Going back to DAI, you purchased that game knowing it had nudity and now complain that it should be removed completely for any other games because it made you uncomfortable/offended/or you disagreed, It seems very contradictory to what you are saying about removing the scenes completely.. 

I am not, nor have I ever advocated for "completely removing" nudity in a game.  Please try again.

 

 

That is why the comment was made regarding E games.. T games you have the possibility of seeing sexual suggestions like with the Sims franchise, and M has the problems we are discussing now.. E is the safe zone where no one gets put off.. I play games all over the rating spectrum including E games and that doesn't make me childish or immature so implying that people that play E games are immature is an insult within itself..

Except in this thread we are speaking entirely about nudity.  Which does not happen in T rated games, nor does it happen in many M rated games either.  Your post had a dismissive "get back in the kiddie pool" tone to it.

[Iakus]

 .. If that is your taste fine, but don't limit others just because you disagree.  

RIght back atcha

[Andrew Lucas]

DOes nudity suddenly make a love scene "well done"?  Is the scene with Josephine and the Inquisitor on the couch fully clothed "lazy"?

Yes, that's much better than the awkwardness we've gotten from games I won't repeat again. It's very simple, if you want to do a love scene, don't make two fully clothed polygons grind against each other like it happened before DAI.

Another recent example is The Witcher 3. If the Mass Effect team are going to craft a love scene, take a cue from that game, the romance's ones.

I hope you understand this time.

[Jewellzify]

I'd like some frontal male nudity in MEA.

 

Probably never going to happen but still, I can want it.

 Agree, that will probably never happen. Some dev's have a hard enough time trying to sculpt a realistic ear.. lol if anything it would be interesting lol

[Iakus]

Yes, that's much better than the awkwardness we've gotten from games I won't repeat again. It's very simple, if you want to do a love scene, don't make two fully clothed polygons grind against each other like it happened before DAI.

Another recent example is The Witcher 3. If the Mass Effect team are going to craft a love scene, take a cue from that game, the romance's ones.

I hope you understand this time.

Naked grinding or clothed grinding, it still would have looked like awkward grinding.  Seeing Traynor's boobs would not have made that shower scene any less silly.

 

If sex on a unicorn is an improvement over Bioware's romance scenes, then the whole concept of love scenes is hopeless.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yes, that's much better than the awkwardness we've gotten from games I won't repeat again. It's very simple, if you want to do a love scene, don't make two fully clothed polygons grind against each other like it happened before DAI.

If Josephine and the Inquisitor cuddling on the couch is considered lazy, then bring on the slothfulness. 

[Han Shot First]

Naked grinding or clothed grinding, it still would have looked like awkward grinding.  Seeing Traynor's boobs would not have made that shower scene any less silly.

 

 

 

Sure it would have. People don't shower with their clothes on. Nudity would then automatically make that scene a lot less silly than the version that shipped with the game. One of those most basic things developers must get right in creating romance scenes is having the characters in them behave like real people.

 

That of course doesn't mean that nudity was necessary for that scene. Nudity is one route they could go. The other option would be to imply nudity by the use of lighting tricks and camera angles, as they did with Liara's romance scene. 

[Draining Dragon]

Yes.