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[KaiserShep]

Naked grinding or clothed grinding, it still would have looked like awkward grinding.  Seeing Traynor's boobs would not have made that shower scene any less silly.

 

If sex on a unicorn is an improvement over Bioware's romance scenes, then the whole concept of love scenes is hopeless.

 

Awkward as the animation may be, at the very least, naked grinding actually makes sense. That being said, it's not a matter of how much of the body they show, but rather that the characters are still clearly wearing clothes through it all. If Shepard walked into the shower naked and all you saw were their shoulders and nary a sign of a bra strap, then the scene actually works and that's the end of it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sure it would have. People don't shower with their clothes on. Nudity would then automatically make that scene a lot less silly than the version that shipped with the game. One of those most basic things developers must get right in creating romance scenes is having the characters in them behave like real people.

 

That of course doesn't mean that nudity was necessary for that scene. Nudity is one route they could go. The other option would be to imply nudity by the use of lighting tricks and camera angles, as they did with Liara's romance scene. 

To be fair, Bioware did want to do this by having the shower be all foggy, but it kept causing the game to crash and they didn't have enough time to make a nude model for her character so they had to use the underwear one. 

[Iakus]

Awkward as the animation may be, at the very least, naked grinding actually makes sense. That being said, it's not a matter of how much of the body they show, but rather that the characters are still clearly wearing clothes through it all. If Shepard walked into the shower naked and all you saw were their shoulders and nary a sign of a bra strap, then the scene actually works and that's the end of it.

In which case there is no on-screen nudity.

[Andrew Lucas]

Naked grinding or clothed grinding, it still would have looked like awkward grinding. Seeing Traynor's boobs would not have made that shower scene any less silly.

If sex on a unicorn is an improvement over Bioware's romance scenes, then the whole concept of love scenes is hopeless.

No, it doesn't, now you're throwing your own preference into this. Just admit you hate love scenes for once, it will do us both a favor.

How would you know what's a good love scene when you skip them? The unicorn is much better than anything that Bioware has ever done.

If Josephine and the Inquisitor cuddling on the couch is considered lazy, then bring on the slothfulness.

What part of LOVE SCENE / SEX SCENE can't you understand? You know, sex?! Maker...

Sure it would have. People don't shower with their clothes on. Nudity would then automatically make that scene a lot less silly than the version that shipped with the game. One of those most basic things developers must get right in creating romance scenes is having the characters in them behave like real people.

That of course doesn't mean that nudity was necessary for that scene. Nudity is one route they could go. The other option would be to imply nudity by the use of lighting tricks and camera angles, as they did with Liara's romance scene.

Thank you, Han, just thank you.

[Han Shot First]

To be fair, Patrick Weekes did want to do this by having the shower be all misty, but it kept causing the game to crash and they didn't have enough time to make a nude model for her character so they had to use the underwear one. 

 

While I can understand that they may not have had time to design a nude model specifically for Traynor, I do wonder why they even bothered designing a model for the female human characters that was wearing underwear. At some point in development while looking at the script, someone should have pointed out that maybe it was better for the human characters to have a model similar to Liara's, and instead have Ashley or Fem Shep's romance scenes play out a bit differently, than to have Traynor & Fem Shep get in the shower with varying levels of being clothed.

 

Camera angles, lighting, and a different undressed body model for the female human characters could have solved all the problems with ME3's romance scenes, IMO.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What part of LOVE SCENE / SEX SCENE can't you understand? You know, sex?! Maker...

You just said love scene, not love scene/sex scene.

Two people in love cuddling with each other is a love scene since it is a scene involving love, so I understand the term perfectly.

Love =/= Sex. Sex =/= Love.

[Han Shot First]

Two people in love cuddling with each other is a love scene since it is a scene involving love, so I understand the term perfectly.

 

My favorite part of ME3's scenes was after Shepard woke up from that final nightmare, and has a chat about it (and the upcoming battle) with the LI. 

 

I hope they have something similar in ME:A, rather than just cutting back to the two characters just awkwardly standing around, fully clothed or armored up. 

[Andrew Lucas]

Two people in love cuddling with each other is a love scene since it is a scene involving love, so I understand the term perfectly.

H-A-H-A-H-A....

Don't play silly, you are very well aware that were talking about the beautiful act of grinding - whatever you call it. Or do you actually think we were debating whether or not people should always cuddle in front of a fireplace without any clothes?

No. You're smart.

[Iakus]

No, it doesn't, now you're throwing your own preference into this. Just admit you hate love scenes for once, it will do us both a favor.
 

No what doesn't?  You seriously think a naked shower scene would have looked at all tasteful or well done?

 

You think the DAO scenes would have been better without underwear?

 

 

How would you know what's a good love scene when you skip them? The unicorn is much better than anything that Bioware has ever done.

News flash:  I don't always skip them.  Especially on a first playthru.  I often know what I'm arguing about, you know.

 

And that unicorn scene almost had me laughing out loud it was so bad.  That's a feat only IB's love scene ever had me doing.  But in Bioware's case, I think it was intentional.

[Iakus]

You just said love scene, not love scene/sex scene.

Two people in love cuddling with each other is a love scene since it is a scene involving love, so I understand the term perfectly.

Love =/= Sex. Sex =/= Love.

Thank you Hanako, just thank you

[Jewellzify]

My favorite part of ME3's scenes was after Shepard woke up from that final nightmare, and has a chat about it (and the upcoming battle) with the LI. 

 

I hope they have something similar in ME:A, rather than just cutting back to the two characters just awkwardly standing around, fully clothed or armored up. 

 

I agree. I enjoyed that scene as well. Similar to the scene in DAI with Cullen, although the IQ is clothed and strapping up her boots lol

[Iakus]

 
Don't play silly, you are very well aware that were talking about the beautiful act of grinding - whatever you call it. Or do you actually think we were debating whether or not people should always cuddle in front of a fireplace without any clothes?
 

Funny, I thought we were debating the merits of nude scenes vs non nude scenes.

[SnakeCode]

Tbf, nothing could have saved the scenes from Origins. Most awkward and least romantic "romance" scene ever made. Especially when you're an old grey bearded dwarf who was ninjamanced by Zevran. If hilarity was what they were going for, then bravo, mission accomplished.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While I can understand that they may not have had time to design a nude model specifically for Traynor, I do wonder why they even bothered designing a model for the female human characters that was wearing underwear. At some point in development while looking at the script, someone should have pointed out that maybe it was better for the human characters to have a model similar to Liara's, and instead have Ashley or Fem Shep's romance scenes play out a bit differently, than to have Traynor & Fem Shep get in the shower with varying levels of being clothed.

 

Camera angles, lighting, and a different undressed body model for the female human characters could have solved all the problems with ME3's romance scenes, IMO.

Most likely because of the scene where Shepard wakes up and hunches over before the final battle. I think they were going for Shepard as being someone who sleeps in their underwear, so they needed that model. Other than that, I think it was just a resources issue. After all, Kaidan and Steve have the same model as male Shep, and Ashley and Samantha have the same model as femshep. The female Asari also only had one model, but since it was only going to be used in the sex scene they made it nude.

I agree. Personally I think the use of shadows and clever camera angles creates the best kind of sex scenes. 

[rapscallioness]

To be fair, Bioware did want to do this by having the shower be all foggy, but it kept causing the game to crash and they didn't have enough time to make a nude model for her character so they had to use the underwear one. 

 

What? Really? Oh! Well, okay, now I understand.

[Andrew Lucas]

No what doesn't? You seriously think a naked shower scene would have looked at all tasteful or well done?

You think the DAO scenes would have been better without underwear?


News flash: I don't always skip them. Especially on a first playthru. I often know what I'm arguing about, you know.

And that unicorn scene almost had me laughing out loud it was so bad. That's a feat only IB's love scene ever had me doing. But in Bioware's case, I think it was intentional.

I do, what we got was pure immersion breaker.

Just the fact of having no underwear would have made anything better regarding the sex scenes of DAO.

Then, you sir, have a weird taste if you think Bioware's are better.

[rapscallioness]

Tbf, nothing could have saved the scenes from Origins. Most awkward and least romantic "romance" scene ever made. Especially when you're an old grey bearded dwarf who was ninjamanced by Zevran. If hilarity was what they were going for, then bravo, mission accomplished.

 

 

Omg, the visual image you just gave me.

 

Now that's funny.

[Jewellzify]

Funny, I thought we were debating the merits of nude scenes vs non nude scenes.

 

Regardless, nude or not, just because you disagree with something doesn't mean that it should not be included in the game. You mentioned earlier about mages and fighting techniques, just because you disagreed with it doesn't mean that it had to be cut completely or revisited. For example, are the people that are fine with and enjoy the nudity complaining that the scenes with Josephine, Solas, Tali or Sabastian are irrelevant? No. But again going back to the rating of games, if you are warned about nudity than you should be aware that there will be scenes with nudity and if you are uncomfortable with such things than you may want to rethink what you purchasing.. this implies to all games that warn of nudity.. if you are warned about it and make the adult decision to continue with your purchase than why complain about it later.. you knew it was going to be there.. Hypothetically, this thread is assuming nudity will be included because of DAI, so hypothetically, you are being warned that this could be in option in the game..

[Cyonan]

most people do have a problem with male nudity say for instance say there's a nude male and female and they're jogging on different  streets but at the same time who do you think is going to have the most problems or get in trouble whos going to seem to be the most threatening out of the two?

 

Given that we're talking about it in the context of sex between two consenting adults, I should hope that neither person being naked is threatening.

 

If they are to you, you probably shouldn't romance them.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

While I can understand that they may not have had time to design a nude model specifically for Traynor, I do wonder why they even bothered designing a model for the female human characters that was wearing underwear. At some point in development while looking at the script, someone should have pointed out that maybe it was better for the human characters to have a model similar to Liara's, and instead have Ashley or Fem Shep's romance scenes play out a bit differently, than to have Traynor & Fem Shep get in the shower with varying levels of being clothed.
 
Camera angles, lighting, and a different undressed body model for the female human characters could have solved all the problems with ME3's romance scenes, IMO.

Please no underwear when doing sex scenes it is so unrealistic and a huge turn off! Who would take a shower with their clothes on anyway? You would think they can do nudity when it comes to sex, but people nowadays going batshit over mature content that fits for only for a mature audience. The solution to this is simple: Don't buy the game if you don't want to see adult content in games. It is simple as that.

[Han Shot First]

most people do have a problem with male nudity say for instance say there's a nude male and female and they're jogging on different  streets but at the same time who do you think is going to have the most problems or get in trouble whos going to seem to be the most threatening out of the two?

 

Both are going to be arrested for public indecency and/or getting a trip to the hospital. Generally speaking people only go nude in the middle of a major city when they're really high, or having some sort of mental breakdown. They are exceptions of course, like the those naked bike ride events, or sunbathers in South Beach, Miami.

 

You wouldn't see the police reacting differently based on gender, however.

[themikefest]

To be fair, Bioware did want to do this by having the shower be all foggy, but it kept causing the game to crash and they didn't have enough time to make a nude model for her character so they had to use the underwear one. 

I guess that excuse can be applied to the game itself if more time was givien

 

 

Her being in her underwear has been discussed by me and others in her thread over 31/2 years ago. A few of us mentioned why not have femsehp walking towards the shower removing her clothes. Have the camera just show their legs and shoulders and heads. After the shower scene, have both under the sheet just showing their shoulders and heads.

[Lady Artifice]

Tbf, nothing could have saved the scenes from Origins. Most awkward and least romantic "romance" scene ever made. Especially when you're an old grey bearded dwarf who was ninjamanced by Zevran. If hilarity was what they were going for, then bravo, mission accomplished.

 

An old, gray, bearded dwarf should probably be wise enough to know that when someone offers him a massage in that tone, they aren't just talking about a massage.  

[ZipZap2000]

I wanna dance all naked pouring champagne on. Wheeee!!!!!!

Breeding request accepted.

[ZipZap2000]

An old, gray, bearded dwarf should probably be wise enough to know that when someone offers him a massage in that tone, they aren't just talking about a massage.

I'll never get the Zevran ninjamance claims.

Just admit you said yes either by mistake or not, he's clear about the fact he wants to kiss his way down your chest and vice versa.