Sure. That's the quality hit I was talking about. DAI scenes were better than DA:O's, and you're asking Bio to go back to the DA:O model because you can't stand to see boobies. Nothing wrong with asking for that, but stop trying to spin this as "everybody wins." You're asking the rest of us to pay a cost to accomodate your delicate sensibilities.
Um, no. I'm asking to go back to the ME1 model. I never asked for underwear sex.
Underwear sex isn't bad as long as it involves some proper lingerie.
I still don't get why nudity is such an issue but using extreme violence isn't.
But that's not what this thread is for. Make one about blood, gore, and violence and I'll happily post there too,
And again, asking Bioware to develop a bunch of toggles that would allow you to turn ME:A into a bespoke game of your very own is straight up pointless. Much better you start campaigning for them to make the game E for Everyone.
Underwear sex isn't bad as long as it involves some proper lingerie.
Nawh, it is bad either way.
And again, asking Bioware to develop a bunch of toggles that allow you to turn ME:A into a bespoke game of your very own is straight up pointless. Much better you start campaigning for them to make the game E for Everyone.
The only toggle I've been in favor of is the gore toggle, which already exists in Dragon Age.
I was talking about the discontinuity between the sex scene and the dialogue that you want to bring back, not the underwear; I was presuming that they'd fix the underwear part. And ME1 is worse than DAI, so the point stands regardless. You're asking us to pay a cost to accomodate your tastes.Um, no. I'm asking to go back to the ME1 model. I never asked for underwear sex.
Nawh, it is bad either way.
Full nudity is too dull for my tastes.
Wasn't the developers intentionally make DAO sex scenes horrid? I mean, multiple sex positions while wearing underwear and fade outs.... kinda reminds me of 300.
Given that you're asking Bioware to develop different means by which you can remove the things that are objectionable to you from their video-game, my point about you being better off asking them to make it E for everyone stands.
I'm also in favor of more nonviolent ways to resolve conflicts.
Gee, I guess I really am trying to make it "E for Everyone" /sarcasm
I was talking about the discontinuity between the sex scene and the dialogue that you want to bring back, not the underwear; I was presuming that they'd fix the underwear part. And ME1 is worse than DAI, so the point stands regardless. You're asking us to pay a cost to accomodate your tastes.
Nothing wrong with that; I ask for things that would make the game worse for you all the time. But we ought to be honest about what we're doing.
See the difference is, I don't see why the placement of these dialogues is so important to you.
Why do lack of nipples somehow ruin conversations for you?
. Hey I want to see it ALL!!! Uncut and uncensored! It's time to step up sexuality for once 'cause times are changing.See the difference is, I don't see why the placement of these dialogues is so important to you.
Why do lack of nipples somehow ruin conversations for you?
For me, it's actually that the nudity added an undertone and ambiance that I think a clothed scene would have lacked.See the difference is, I don't see why the placement of these dialogues is so important to you.
Why do lack of nipples somehow ruin conversations for you?
I'm also in favor of more nonviolent ways to resolve conflicts.
Gee, I guess I really am trying to make it "E for Everyone" /sarcasm
I'm not saying that you're asking Bioware to make the game E for Everyone Iakus, I'm saying that you might be better off doing so than asking for the multiple workarounds that would be required for you to turn ME:A into a bespoke game of your very own.
And on the flip side, I don't understand why the DAI scenes bothered you. I get that it's a fact, but that's it.See the difference is, I don't see why the placement of these dialogues is so important to you.
Even if you understood my feelings, and I understood yours, our tastes wouldn't change. We'd still be right here.
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See the difference is, I don't see why the placement of these dialogues is so important to you.
Why do lack of nipples somehow ruin conversations for you?
See the difference is, I don't see why the placement of these dialogues is so important to you.
Why do lack of nipples somehow ruin conversations for you?
For me, it's actually that the nudity added an undertone and ambiance that I think a clothed scene would have lacked.
But why should Bioware not use an important set piece? Nudity after all has artistic value - particularly with the connections to vulnerability that obviously exist.
This, to me, makes all the difference. I've watched the no-sex version of Dorian's romance scene and played the regular version and, to me, the nude version has so much more impact. Not because we get to see someone's toned ass but because the nudity emphasizes Dorian's vulnerability. There's a level of trust in being in a position like that with someone and, based on what people have described for Cassandra's romance, it's similar. Stripping away the armor and the defenses and exposing the person underneath--the impact is much more effective with the nudity than it is without, IMO.
Likewise, with characters like Bull and Sera, Isabella or Leliana in DAO, for instance--these characters are earthy, sensual people. Leaving them clothed or skipping nude scenes with them would seem forced and bit silly in the context. Even if the relationship development or character development doesn't benefit from the nudity, the fact that they are such sexual creatures would make a lack of nudity in a sex scene seem almost like we should be ashamed of the act which is the complete opposite of their characters. Now for characters like Cullen and Josephine (I haven't played either so know little of how they played out), I could see using limited nudity or none, limited or no scenes of an obvious sexual nature or fading to black and leaving it up to your imagination because it would fit their characters a bit better.
In addition to the characters, though, the settings should play a part in how mature they make scenes like this. If the setting was a 1950's world or a Victorian world where seeing a woman's ankle might be considered scandalous, I could see avoiding nudity in keeping with the atmosphere. But in ME we're talking about a future galaxy with multiple cultures and various attitudes about sex and no discernible examples of prudity. It's immersion breaking, IMO, if you set up a galaxy that seems sophisticated and unfettered with too many sexual inhibitions and then turn around and make it seem shameful to watch a romantic scene with obvious sexual overtones and nudity by fading to black while they're clothed and then picking things back up again with them fully clothed or doing the clothes humping thing that was so ridiculous.
For me, it's actually that the nudity added an undertone and ambiance that I think a clothed scene would have lacked.
Afraid I don't see it.
I'm not saying that you're asking Bioware to make the game E for Everyone Iakus, I'm saying that you might be better off doing so than asking for the multiple workarounds that would be required for you to turn ME:A into a bespoke game of your very own.
Workarounds Bioware has done before. In the Mass Effect setting, no less! And without me to ask for them!
And on the flip side, I don't understand why the DAI scenes bothered you. I get that it's a fact, but that's it.
While we could work on our mutual understanding, what use would that be? Even if you understood my feelings, and I understood yours, our tastes wouldn't change. We'd still be right here.
Yup, I'd be right here, saying if you like nudity, that's fine, just provide an alternate path to let people avoid and/or skip past it.
Because this is a game about choices 
But why should Bioware not use an important set piece? Nudity after all has artistic value - particularly with the connections to vulnerability that obviously exist.
Yeah, well, I've had people tell me RGB has "artistic value" but I don't see that either. 
I'd still rather have alternatives.
This, to me, makes all the difference. I've watched the no-sex version of Dorian's romance scene and played the regular version and, to me, the nude version has so much more impact. Not because we get to see someone's toned ass but because the nudity emphasizes Dorian's vulnerability. There's a level of trust in being in a position like that with someone and, based on what people have described for Cassandra's romance, it's similar. Stripping away the armor and the defenses and exposing the person underneath--the impact is much more effective with the nudity than it is without, IMO.
Likewise, with characters like Bull and Sera, Isabella or Leliana in DAO, for instance--these characters are earthy, sensual people. Leaving them clothed or skipping nude scenes with them would seem forced and bit silly in the context. Even if the relationship development or character development doesn't benefit from the nudity, the fact that they are such sexual creatures would make a lack of nudity in a sex scene seem almost like we should be ashamed of the act which is the complete opposite of their characters. Now for characters like Cullen and Josephine (I haven't played either so know little of how they played out), I could see using limited nudity or none, limited or no scenes of an obvious sexual nature or fading to black and leaving it up to your imagination because it would fit their characters a bit better.
In addition to the characters, though, the settings should play a part in how mature they make scenes like this. If the setting was a 1950's world or a Victorian world where seeing a woman's ankle might be considered scandalous, I could see avoiding nudity in keeping with the atmosphere. But in ME we're talking about a future galaxy with multiple cultures and various attitudes about sex and no discernible examples of prudity. It's immersion breaking, IMO, if you set up a galaxy that seems sophisticated and unfettered with too many sexual inhibitions and then turn around and make it seem shameful to watch a romantic scene with obvious sexual overtones and nudity by fading to black while they're clothed and then picking things back up again with them fully clothed or doing the clothes humping thing that was so ridiculous.
I have not seen the Dorian nude scene, but I have seen the Cassandra one. ANd really, the only thing it adds to the dialogue is nipples. She could have been wearing a sheet, a robe, or even be fully dressed (or even clever camera angles), and it wouldn't have changed the scene. It could have been done bring one of the make-out sessions above the smithy, and it would have been just as impactful to me.
Also, you can decline sex with Leliana in DAO. She may be worldly, but she's also pretty considerate 
Why, oh, why does not wanting to watch a nude scene ALWAYS SEEM TO COME BACK TO "You just want underwear sex to return"? Seriously, Why? It's really getting frustrating. It's like talking to a wall.
Again, it's NOT ABOUT SHAME!!!! It's about CHOICES!!!
This, to me, makes all the difference. I've watched the no-sex version of Dorian's romance scene and played the regular version and, to me, the nude version has so much more impact. Not because we get to see someone's toned ass but because the nudity emphasizes Dorian's vulnerability. There's a level of trust in being in a position like that with someone and, based on what people have described for Cassandra's romance, it's similar. Stripping away the armor and the defenses and exposing the person underneath--the impact is much more effective with the nudity than it is without, IMO.
I rather like the alternative version of the romance scene that occur if you select the option "Can we slow things down?": Dorian is so taken back at the idea that the Inquisitor wants a relationship with him because that is so at odds with how he is most familiar with relationships: namely, that there is not one. He is baffled to learn that Inquisitor were treating this as a relationship in the making and were approaching him like courtship, not only as a lover. The scene has plenty of impact and display a vulnerable side to Dorian that does not need nudity to be shown, in my opinion.
Inquisitor: "It seems a little sudden."
Dorian Pavus: "What is it you want with me exactly... a relationship?"
Inquisitor: "Is that so terrible an idea?"
*Dorian Pavus' reaction is bafflement*
Inquisitor: "You're speechless."
Dorian Pavus: "It dosen't happen often. Where I come from, anything between men... it's physical. It dosen't go beyond that. It's not that you don't care, you just... don't hope for more."
Inquisitor: "Always hope for more."
Dorian Pavus: "You say that like it is a simple thing. Easily imagine. I have no examples of which to compare."
Inquisitor: Heh. I'm sure we'll muddle through somehow."
Dorian Pavus: "Like the Inquisition? Make it up as we go?"
Inquisitor: "Works for me."
Dorian Pavus "*laughs* Clearly."
It's why I am hoping for more of such scenes in not only the Mass Effect series but also the Dragon Age series because it allows a "Not now" option for some romances while providing an option for characterization and insight.
Likewise, with characters like Bull and Sera, Isabella or Leliana in DAO, for instance--these characters are earthy, sensual people. Leaving them clothed or skipping nude scenes with them would seem forced and bit silly in the context.
I'd imaging Leliana would be understanding of someone was not feeling it at the moment or asking for more time considering her background and what she went through. Iron Bull, likewise, I could see as being somewhat the same though for somewhat different reasons since for one, as a spy, it'd make little sense for him to discard the angle of manipulating the Inquisitor's affections purely because they were uninterested in having sex at the time.
In addition to the characters, though, the settings should play a part in how mature they make scenes like this. If the setting was a 1950's world or a Victorian world where seeing a woman's ankle might be considered scandalous, I could see avoiding nudity in keeping with the atmosphere. But in ME we're talking about a future galaxy with multiple cultures and various attitudes about sex and no discernible examples of prudity. It's immersion breaking, IMO, if you set up a galaxy that seems sophisticated and unfettered with too many sexual inhibitions and then turn around and make it seem shameful to watch a romantic scene with obvious sexual overtones and nudity by fading to black while they're clothed and then picking things back up again with them fully clothed or doing the clothes humping thing that was so ridiculous.
As a note: If there are multiples cultures and various attitudes about sex then it stands to reason that there would be different stances on sex. Said cultural opinions and attitudes towards it may not necessarily stem from prudity.
I've lost track of what the current discussion is about: is it about the implementation of nudity with optional nudity in regards to romance or is it about the implementation of nudity entirely?
I've lost track of what the current discussion is about: is it about the implementation of nudity with optional nudity in regards to romance or is it about the implementation of nudity entirely?
I think the current discussion is whether nudity should be a requirement for romance scenes, and floating alternative ideas.
Nudity should be where the story demands it not there just for bbbbooooooobs !!
I mean DAO for example, City Elf seems to imply alot of rape happens there especially for female elves. There are some other areas I can't think of but I am sure there is more out in Origins But mainly nudity where the story needs it depicted on the most part and since this is a Bioware game thats usually in the romances on the most part. I don't really expect Bioware to give us a ****** house we can visit lol.
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