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#1351
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No, I don't think explicit nudity is a good way at portraying that kind of vulnerability, and can even detract from it. Implicit nudity on the other hand does a much better job at expressing that kind of vulnerability and intimacy and whatever else a scene requiring nudity needs to have the most impact. 

 

For example, let's look at say the post-sex ME3 Liara scene(just without the underwear on Shepard) and the post-sex DAI Cassandra scene. Both are having a character involved express their vulnerability, despite the former being implicit by looking at their backs and the latter explicit by looking at their fronts. Both scenes capture that feeling well, showing that explicitness isn't required to have the full impact. 

 

Why, specifically, are you against seeing nudity? It clearly provokes a reaction in you. I've only played ME3 once, so I honestly can't recall the scene you mention. I will look it up again, however. 

 

The point of nudity is to emphasize how exposed the characters are - to supplement the fact that they are exposing themselves emotionally with the fact that they are exposed physically and to convey the same reaction in the viewer, who (obviously with certain normative cultural assumptions) can relate to feeling vulnerable while naked in front of someone, even a partner. By taking away the exposure, you undercut the scene.

 

To say that the two are equivalent, you have to be of the view that being naked in front of others isn't something that actually makes you vulnerable. The idea that wearing your underwear versus not, for example, is not really materially different. And you see this in all of the examples being put forward.

 

As I've said throughout: there is a degree of subjectivity here. But if you accept the basic premise, then this is a valid artistic choice. 


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Is this a game for adults, or little children? Nudity is a natural part of life. If Bioware puts it in the game they should go all out, Aliens and Humans.As long as its done tastefully it shouldn't be a problem. Also nudity isn't exclusive to sex, people are naked all the time. And If people have a problem with full frontal nudity, just give everyone enough pubes to where you cant see anything naughty.

 

If they don't do that it won't matter to me since pixels dont get me off anyway. I just figure its better to go all out with something than tip-toe around it.


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Is this a game for adults, or little children? Nudity is a natural part of life. If Bioware puts it in the game they should go all out, Aliens and Humans.As long as its done tastefully it shouldn't be a problem. Also nudity isn't exclusive to sex, people are naked all the time. And If people have a problem with full frontal nudity, just give everyone enough pubes to where you cant see anything naughty.

If they don't do that it won't matter to me since pixels dont get me off anyway. I just figure its better to go all out with something than tip-toe around it.


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Is this a game for adults, or little children? Nudity is a natural part of life. If Bioware puts it in the game they should go all out, Aliens and Humans.As long as its done tastefully it shouldn't be a problem. Also nudity isn't exclusive to sex, people are naked all the time. And If people have a problem with full frontal nudity, just give everyone enough pubes to where you cant see anything naughty.

 

If they don't do that it won't matter to me since pixels dont get me off anyway. I just figure its better to go all out with something than tip-toe around it.

 

While I would agree that nudity is a natural part of life, I would also say that just because something doesn't have nudity doesn't mean it's for little children.

 

However I do find it kind of weird that North American society in particular places so much emphases on people being naked which is natural, but hates violence. Nudity(and even sex) is far more natural than violence is.



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Sometimes I'm grateful that I'm not easily offended. It does seem to make it easier to enjoy life, from what I've seen.


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Can't we just stop this nonsense and have full frontal nudity already sheesh


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  Also nudity isn't exclusive to sex, people are naked all the time.  

People also don't generally go around naked in public.



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why is it everytime a new game comes out people ask for nudity or sex mods?

 

Because God is Love.

 

Seriously, why are you asking this?

 

(Personally, I do not like the social pressures that everyone must look the same and dress to the same standards. I think it's great that most people mostly wear clothes, even when they are unnecessary or even inappropriate. But I was raised to stand up against peer pressure, and people get picked on far too much, I think, for issues like nudity.)



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However I do find it kind of weird that North American society in particular places so much emphases on people being naked which is natural, but hates violence. Nudity(and even sex) is far more natural than violence is.


Violence and sex are both natural parts of life. I don't think we can really say that one is inherently more natural than the other.

IMO, nudity and violence are both fine to have in video games, but if they're taken too far, they can make it hard to take a work seriously. I liked the approach ME1 took.

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They'll sell more if they have nudity in the game. Thats the only language Bioware understand now I guess.

It's standard practice to censor that stuff where people are uppity about it. No reason to make the rest of your audience suffer though.

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While I would agree that nudity is a natural part of life, I would also say that just because something doesn't have nudity doesn't mean it's for little children.
 
However I do find it kind of weird that North American society in particular places so much emphases on people being naked which is natural, but hates violence. Nudity(and even sex) is far more natural than violence is.

Well that's Puritan for ya.

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People also don't generally go around naked in public.

Pfffffft Erykah Badu broke the world record of walking naked in public in Dallas, Texas. Now THAT is bold. And to top it off she have a beautiful body.

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I would perfer all nudity be kept above the waist as well.

 

 

agreed

 

So basically you are fine with boobies, but not with todgers. Why's that?


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Go all out BioWare, I want to see some Quarian booty.



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Can't we just stop this nonsense and have full frontal nudity already sheesh

 

This is a very wise person xD



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As long as it makes sense in context and is tastefully done rather than gratuitous, then I have no problems with nudity in this game.  I actually had a greater problem with the FemShep-Traynor romance in ME3 (showering in your undies) than Liara's bum in ME1, as the former makes no sense at all and is somewhat jarring, whilst the latter was very well done.

 

Tim


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So basically you are fine with boobies, but not with todgers. Why's that?

I have no idea what a "todger" is (sorry if I offend any females with next statement but the only way I could think to say it) but it's because i think society is more okay with Breasts regardless of size but not so much with the lower area.

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I have no idea what a "todger" is (sorry if I offend any females with next statement but the only way I could think to say it) but it's because i think society is more okay with Breasts regardless of size but not so much with the lower area.

A todger is British slang for the male genital area...  There are many others!

 

But, I'd agree with what you're saying; the chest area is somewhat less inflammatory than the genital area in modern conventions.  It always strikes me as something that's a bit of a hang up from a puritanical past.

 

Tim



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If you want to see video game characters nude, there's always Google.

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55 Pages in and I still don't understand what's the big deal.

 

Movies show people in stages of nudity all the time, they show sex scenes in varying levels of blatancy, and everyone got used to the idea.

 

Sex obviously has an important place in art and entertainment.

 

Why should video games for adults be any different?


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Well, as I recall DA:I was the first game of BioWare (haven't played games before origins/ME 1 except Kotor) with actual nudity in it. Do you think it was a good move of BioWare as it of course i an adult franchise and do you think they should put it also in the new Mass Effect?

 

When it's fitting, yes. The ME3 underwear approach is ridiculous. But, I guess, it's OK to blow off heads, but it's very dangerous to show nipples. That could really hurt feelings. Well, at least on the American market.



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*snip*

Well, good to know you don't actually read my posts. That seems to be the case since half of this post is addressed in the post you are quoting. 



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They'll sell more if they have nudity in the game. Thats the only language Bioware understand now I guess.

It's standard practice to censor that stuff where people are uppity about it. No reason to make the rest of your audience suffer though.

*looks up the best selling games in history* 

 

Hey, look at that. Nudity is in barely any of them. Same with a lot of the best selling movies, shows, and books as well. So saying they'll say more if they have nudity is a guess at best, since there isn't evidence to support it. 



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55 Pages in and I still don't understand what's the big deal.

 

Movies show people in stages of nudity all the time, they show sex scenes in varying levels of blatancy, and everyone got used to the idea.

 

Sex obviously has an important place in art and entertainment.

 

Why should video games for adults be any different?

 

Won't somebody think of the children?!  I mean, being able to handle adult themes and visuals in a game designed for adults is hardly good form is it?

 

But seriously, in part because video games are more interactive.  You can view David or Sleeping Venus (or not, if you're sensitive) and appreciate the art involved.  In the same way you can view a scene in (say) 'Game of Thrones' or 'Requiem for a Dream' and (hopefully) appreciate why the scene was called for.  In games, however, you're actively making your PC shed their clothes and those of their potential partner.  So, people can get awkward about such things.

 

Tim



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I agree that some measure of control should be given to the players. Not all of them enjoy sex, after all (watching it or doing it) yet they still can be very into the concept of romance and they have the right to play an interactive game with an adult focus.

On the other hand, it's pointless to say that i, personally, don't enjoy boobs. Just because i'm playing a game, with characters and a universe that i love, doesn't mean that i want to stop looking at boobs.

So...where do we draw the line? SHOULD we draw a line?


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