And don't forget that "objectification" garbage too. If I work hard on myself and I want to look good and some woman wants to appreciate that and take it in? Go ahead girl. Objectify me all you want. Thanks for recognizing hard work.
I don't care how fit a given man may be, you don't find many lawyers or bankers dressed like a Chippendales dancer.
There's a reason for this.
People want women - and men - to wear things that make some degree of sense. I personally don't have an issue with rule of cool, but "sexy" is often stupid looking, or setting inconsistent. Miradan's catsuit doesn't fit with the rest of the ME armour - no one has thin, skintight armour - and doesn't fit the visual imagery.
This is fiction. What "makes some degree of sense" to you may not be the case for BioWare. This is not the real world.
Clearly, what you perceive as "stupid" BioWare does not. Miranda is not a soldier. She was a scientist whose task was to bring Shepard back to life. I might agree with you if you actually understood what her profession was. The same is the case with Mordin. He isn't exactly wearing something I'd say is practical for the battlefield, but then again he's a doctor.
If that's the case I think it needs to be firmly written into their character, and not just an excuse people use for hand-waving.
It WAS written into Miranda's character. It WAS written into Samara's character. Or, even to use a DA1 example, it WAS written into Morrigan's character. Just because there wasn't some codex entry does NOT mean it was NOT written into their character.
My only problem with those is not that they wear those outfits, but that they clash with the setting, most notably with the absurdity of the gas masks in a vacuum situation. With Samara, showing off her cleavage just seemed really out of character.
Or maybe your perception of Samara is just skewed. Asari are implied to be VERY sexual beings, because they can have sex (mental, if not physical) with any creature. This strengthens the Asari bloodlines. How is it out of character for Samara to have some cleavage?
People want women - and men - to wear things that make some degree of sense. I personally don't have an issue with rule of cool, but "sexy" is often stupid looking, or setting inconsistent. Miradan's catsuit doesn't fit with the rest of the ME armour - no one has thin, skintight armour - and doesn't fit the visual imagery.
What about Mordin's weird labcoat deal then? Does that fit your view of the visual imagery? Or do you only object when it's fan service.
I don't care how fit a given man may be, you don't find many lawyers or bankers dressed like a Chippendales dancer.
There's a reason for this.
Hey now. Are you being serious or is it because the lovely ladies liked my post? Everyone has a sexual side....even lawyers and bankers. It's our job as humans to take care each others needs. Different ways we do that and if we choose to be exclusive then thats good too, but you got to put out.
Or maybe your perception of Samara is just skewed. Asari are implied to be VERY sexual beings, because they can have sex (mental, if not physical) with any creature. This strengthens the Asari bloodlines. How is it out of character for Samara to have some cleavage?
The idea that a character becomes sexual because of her species is absurd to begin with but moving past that: being sexual shouldn't have to mean leaving your suit unzipped all the time and wearing high heels into battle. That we can apparently only depict women's sexuality with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer is kind of depressing.
Aside from her being a an ascetic that has forsworn worldly possessions and children? Exposing her chest like that isn't the norm among asari, we've seen enough of them to know that to be true. So yes, I maintain that a battle nun running into a firefight while showing off her cleavage is very out of character. Even on the ship it seems out of character.Or maybe your perception of Samara is just skewed. Asari are implied to be VERY sexual beings, because they can have sex (mental, if not physical) with any creature. This strengthens the Asari bloodlines. How is it out of character for Samara to have some cleavage?
Given the thread title, there is a distinct lack of naked people in here.
Or maybe your perception of Samara is just skewed. Asari are implied to be VERY sexual beings, because they can have sex (mental, if not physical) with any creature. This strengthens the Asari bloodlines. How is it out of character for Samara to have some cleavage?
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What about Mordin's weird labcoat deal then? Does that fit your view of the visual imagery? Or do you only object when it's fan service.
You forget that Samara is a Justicar. For the entirety of ME2 she behaves herself like the warrior monk. I see no reason why a Justicar like her would be walking around like that. She should've had an armor that Asari Justicar had in ME3 Multiplayer.
As for Mordin, yes, he has a lab coat. But it's okay only on the Normandy. When it's time for combat, everyone should have a nicely protected suit of armor.
Given the thread title, there is a distinct lack of naked people in here.
The question is....is Batman around?
The question is....is Batman around?
I admit it, this reference went over my head.
The best I can do is counter with a reference too old and obscure for most people around here to know.
The idea that a character becomes sexual because of her species is absurd to begin with
Most beings are sexual. Hell, even "asexual" creatures are capable of creating progeny. So, no, it's not absurd.
but moving past that: being sexual shouldn't have to mean leaving your suit unzipped all the time and wearing high heels into battle.
WHY NOT? Clearly, Samara kicks ass while having cleavage (her outfit doesn't imply a zipper, so it's not unzipped or otherwise purposely unfastened) and wearing high heels. What's the issue with that, other than your immature sense of insisting video game characters in a game rated "M for Mature" should NOT have anything sexual about their nature at all? Grow up.
That we can apparently only depict women's sexuality with all the subtlety of a sledgehammer is kind of depressing.
I guess Liara wearing a rather modest outfit in ME1 apparently means that Bioware was depicting Liara's sexuality with the subtlety of a sledgehammer then. It's not like she sleeps with your character regardless of your Shep's sex, after all. Certain characters have it written in their character profile to dress/act a certain way.
You forget that Samara is a Justicar. For the entirety of ME2 she behaves herself like the warrior monk. I see no reason why a Justicar like her would be walking around like that.
Why? Because you dislike it. Problem is, your ideas of what should or should not happen, or of what does or does not work, etc. -- those are all irrelevant. Samara was a Justicar. She also can kick ass in her outfit. Get over it.
When it's time for combat, everyone should have a nicely protected suit of armor.
Why? It's implied that a combat suit isn't a necessity. Certain folks have strong enough biotics as to not even need a combat suit.
I have issues with just about everyone's gear in ME2, even Grunt and Zaeed, because of their exposed arms. I can at least reconcile Mordin's outfit as some weird lab coat that he typically just uses for light duty. Beyond his loyalty mission, which is on a [partly] hospitable planet, he never leaves the ship. Just the same, whatever their respective professions are doesn't take away from the poor fit their designs have in the kind of setting BioWare is going for. Like, what if ME2 had a Luna mission like ME1? Could we really see Miranda in her catsuit and breather mask and go "looks legit"?This is fiction. What "makes some degree of sense" to you may not be the case for BioWare. This is not the real world.
Clearly, what you perceive as "stupid" BioWare does not. Miranda is not a soldier. She was a scientist whose task was to bring Shepard back to life. I might agree with you if you actually understood what her profession was. The same is the case with Mordin. He isn't exactly wearing something I'd say is practical for the battlefield, but then again he's a doctor.
This is fiction. What "makes some degree of sense" to you may not be the case for BioWare. This is not the real world.
Clearly, what you perceive as "stupid" BioWare does not. Miranda is not a soldier. She was a scientist whose task was to bring Shepard back to life. I might agree with you if you actually understood what her profession was. The same is the case with Mordin. He isn't exactly wearing something I'd say is practical for the battlefield, but then again he's a doctor.
"this is fiction" is not an excuse for "do whatever the hell you want" Even in fiction, consistency should be maintained, or have a good reason for why it's not.
Miranda may be a scientist, but she also charges headlong into combat, guns a-blazing. Same with Mordin. So when they are on the battlefield, they should dress in something appropriate for the battlefield.
Though I also question whether her outfit is appropriate for a lab as well. That outift looks like it cuts of blood circulation in her extremities. Her hands would go numb, at the very least.
Hey now. Are you being serious or is it because the lovely ladies liked my post? Everyone has a sexual side....even lawyers and bankers. It's our job as humans to take care each others needs. Different ways we do that and if we choose to be exclusive then thats good too, but you got to put out.
And that "side" should stay in one's pants until off-duty.
Why? It's implied that a combat suit isn't a necessity. Certain folks have strong enough biotics as to not even need a combat suit.
It is explicitly stated that they are. Biotic barriers don't protect people from environmental hazards as established by the lore, so no even the strongest biotic needs protective attire, like a pressurized suit while in a vacuum.
I certainly didn't see it written into Samara or Miranda's character, it felt very gratuitous for both of them.It WAS written into Miranda's character. It WAS written into Samara's character. Or, even to use a DA1 example, it WAS written into Morrigan's character. Just because there wasn't some codex entry does NOT mean it was NOT written into their character.
It is explicitly stated that they are. Biotic barriers don't protect people from environmental hazards as established by the lore, so no even the strongest biotic needs protective attire, like a pressurized suit while in a vacuum.
That's... not really accurate. At the end of ME2 you can see breached sections of the Normandy hull sealed with constant use of active kinetic barriers.
Still, even a strong biotic is going to have trouble holding back the vacuum of space or a toxic enviroment for long.
It's also a waste and mindbendingly stupid, I mean, if you waste all your stamina on holding a barrier because you couldn't bother dressing appropriately for the occasion, what will you do when the fighting starts?
I have issues with just about everyone's gear in ME2, even Grunt and Zaeed, because of their exposed arms. I can at least reconcile Mordin's outfit as some weird lab coat that he typically just uses for light duty. Beyond his loyalty mission, which is on a [partly] hospitable planet, he never leaves the ship. Just the same, whatever their respective professions are doesn't take away from the poor fit their designs have in the kind of setting BioWare is going for. Like, what if ME2 had a Luna mission like ME1? Could we really see Miranda in her catsuit and breather mask and go "looks legit"?
Unless we actually know what benefits Miranda's outfit provides her, it's difficult to discuss what it can and cannot do. Again, she's not only a scientist but she's also a biotic user. Biotics do not wear heavy armor do to the limits it would place on their abilities.
"this is fiction" is not an excuse for "do whatever the hell you want" Even in fiction, consistency should be maintained, or have a good reason for why it's not.
Miranda may be a scientist, but she also charges headlong into combat, guns a-blazing. Same with Mordin. So when they are on the battlefield, they should dress in something appropriate for the battlefield.
Though I also question whether her outfit is appropriate for a lab as well. That outift looks like it cuts of blood circulation in her extremities. Her hands would go numb, at the very least.
Actually, that's exactly what fiction is. It's not real. The author can create whatever universe he/she wants. The issue here is you are conflating your own personal bias with what should be considered "consistent" with the universe and "reasonable."
Miranda is not only a scientist, but the "perfect" human with state of the art biotic powers. If you noticed, biotics aren't clad in heavy armor due to the limitations it would have on their abilities. Compare biotics to Jedi, which is what they essentially are. Jedi wear robes in order to increase their movement and reflexes. The same case is with biotics. Look at Jack. She's wearing far less clothing than Miranda is.
As far as whether it's practical to use or not, it's fiction and it's the future. It may very well be suitable as we have seen examples of exosuits used by characters in other fictional, futuristic settings.
Unless we actually know what benefits Miranda's outfit provides her, it's difficult to discuss what it can and cannot do. Again, she's not only a scientist but she's also a biotic user. Biotics do not wear heavy armor do to the limits it would place on their abilities.
Actually, that's exactly what fiction is. It's not real. The author can create whatever universe he/she wants. The issue here is you are conflating your own personal bias with what should be considered "consistent" with the universe and "reasonable."
Miranda is not only a scientist, but the "perfect" human with state of the art biotic powers. If you noticed, biotics aren't clad in heavy armor due to the limitations it would have on their abilities. Compare biotics to Jedi, which is what they essentially are. Jedi wear robes in order to increase their movement and reflexes. The same case is with biotics. Look at Jack. She's wearing far less clothing than Miranda is.
As far as whether it's practical to use or not, it's fiction and it's the future. It may very well be suitable as we have seen examples of exosuits used by characters in other fictional, futuristic settings.
Oh please.
First of all, we have biotics that wear heavy armor, Examples: Kaidan Alenko and Tela Vasir.
Enemy biotics also do not wear Sci-Fi chain-mail bikinies, and neither does Shepard.
Hell, some of the tankiest characters in ME that wear the heaviest armor possible, are Krogan battlemasters that are probably
on the same level as Asari matriarchs with their biotics. (at least some of them)
The entire concept of weight encumbering biotics is a game-y concept that has nothing to do with lore.
I mean, the entire idea of element zero or biotics, is to subvert the laws of gravity, if anything they can carry more weight, not less.
Jedi have nothing to do with this topic. Jedi have precognition and Lightsabers, that essentially equals plasma armor.
That's why they usually don't *need* actual armor.
That said, Jedi were known to wear armor in times of war, some heavier armor than others.
(SWTOR has many examples of Jedi in heavy armor, and so does the general SW lore - new canon be damned)
> HeterosexualI was being facetious. That being said, I'd assume most heterosexual men, who are the majority of the fan base, like boobs. I certainly can attest to liking boobs, being a heterosexual male myself. I doubt I am alone.
I personally didn't have too much of an issue with the armour/outfit choices for some of the characters. Appearance is important to some people, to others it is not. I just like it if they are interesting and engaging characters. There appearance comes second to me.
Applying criticism to something that isn't realistic or isn't practical would pretty much mean applying criticism to nearly every aspect of the Mass Effect universe. But I then don't enjoy all avenues of fiction and media based on realism.
As for Miranda, Samara and EDI (based on what outfits she wears in ME:3) wearing heels and such, this reminds me of the controversy about the heels thing in Jurassic World. The character wore heels, she ran in them, she did several badass things in them, and they didn't impair her in any way. This was a woman who was allowed to develop, become stronger, and become the hero at the end of the film without having to sacrifice her femininity and display more masculine characteristics to do all those things. I feel the same way for Miranda, Samara and EDI. They are feminine, their outfits reflect this, and it doesn't mean they can't do all the things Shepard and the other male characters can.
I also feel their should be a more equal balance of sexuality being displayed in future characters, as some have already previously argued here.
Also for characters like Miranda, Liara and Tali there are options to put them in armour that can be seen as more practical and suitable for combat situations, so there is a chance ME:A will give the player more choice in how squadmates are seen on missions.
That's... not really accurate. At the end of ME2 you can see breached sections of the Normandy hull sealed with constant use of active kinetic barriers.
Still, even a strong biotic is going to have trouble holding back the vacuum of space or a toxic enviroment for long.
It's also a waste and mindbendingly stupid, I mean, if you waste all your stamina on holding a barrier because you couldn't bother dressing appropriately for the occasion, what will you do when the fighting starts?
True, but that requires a ship's mass effect drive, something as big as a room. You can't carry that on your person and certainly can't generate power equivalent to that yourself for long, which is what I and the lore was referring to.
Oh please.
First of all, we have biotics that wear heavy armor, Examples: Kaidan Alenko and Tela Vasir.
Enemy biotics also do not wear Sci-Fi chain-mail bikinies, and neither does Shepard.
Hell, some of the tankiest characters in ME that wear the heaviest armor possible, are Krogan battlemasters that are probably
on the same level as Asari matriarchs with their biotics. (at least some of them)
The entire concept of weight encumbering biotics is a game-y concept that has nothing to do with lore.
I mean, the entire idea of element zero or biotics, is to subvert the laws of gravity, if anything they can carry more weight, not less.
Jedi have nothing to do with this topic. Jedi have precognition and Lightsabers, that essentially equals plasma armor.
That's why they usually don't *need* actual armor.
That said, Jedi were known to wear armor in times of war, some heavier armor than others.
(SWTOR has many examples of Jedi in heavy armor, and so does the general SW lore - new canon be damned)
There's always exceptions to the rule, but look at most biotics, whether Jack, Miranda, Samara, Liara, Morinth, any asari commando, Matriach Benezia, Aria, Thane, etc. The point I am making is that most biotic users don't typically wear a lot of armor. Nobody wears anything remotely resembling chain mail bikini in Mass Effect, with perhaps the exception of Jack.
This is pure conjecture. On the other hand, the "gamey-concept" seems to be validated by the lore far more than not. Jedi have everything to do with this topic because biotics are ME's version of the Force. You do realize that biotics can use your abilities to create shields? More or less "essentially equal[ing] plasma armor." Yes, biotics are Jedi. You are kidding yourself otherwise as the team who made KotOR 1 made ME1 and used their prior game to largely create the Mass Effect universe.
Jedi are seen wearing armor in SWTOR, but it's still largely adapted with the use of robes. It's not full suits of armor that you would see a trooper or a vanguard wearing.
> Heterosexual
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You have two out of the three things loathed most by the PC crowd
But as do I. I can appreciate a fine pair of breast. But honestly, I rather not have any nudity below the wasit for either sex. At least front of the waist.
If you are going to have nudity, you may as well show all of it. I don't really see the reasoning for not showing anything below the waste. As long as it's done in a respectful manner, why should it matter?
Jedi have everything to do with this topic because biotics are ME's version of the Force. You do realize that biotics can use your abilities to create shields? More or less "essentially equal[ing] plasma armor." Yes, biotics are Jedi. You are kidding yourself otherwise as the team who made KotOR 1 made ME1 and used their prior game to largely create the Mass Effect universe.
No, Biotics are the not the Force. The two phenomenon are not even in the same league when it comes to what they are and what they do. The only thing they have in common is both have a few abilities that are close to each other, like telekinesis.
No, Biotics are the not the Force. The two phenomenon are not even in the same league when it comes to what they are and what they do. The only thing they have in common is both have a few abilities that are close to each other, like telekinesis.
I'm not saying they are entirely identical. What I am suggesting is biotics finds its roots in the Force. Like I said, Star Wars was the main franchise Mass Effect was built from. There are far more similarities between the two franchises beyond biotics and the Force.
There are a host of similarities between the two franchises. One of those similarities just happens to be that biotic experts tend to wear less restrictive armor when going into combat because they can fully exert their powers and they can use their biotics to shield themselves. That is very much within the line of reasoning that Jedi wear less restrictive armor.
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