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[Bruno Hslaw]

As opposed to a good bottle of wine, this argument doesn't get any better with age. And old it is.

 

First, as I already said, shooting something is so much less disturbing for the kiddies tender feelings than an exposed nipple. Sounds logical, doesn't it. Can't be too young to see heads explode, but seeing some privates might call for lifelong psycholigal treatment.

 

Secondly, and in connection to the above - why should kids play shooters or games that are obviously not catered to them?

 

Third, this series never was an outright shooter. If it was, I wouldn't have played it. I already got bored with shooters some 15 years ago. They offer nothing to me. And I guess the gazillions of love interest threads on this board point to the fact that I'm not alone with this opinion.

It may be old but its still as true today as it always was. Sure it may be a 16 (possibly age rating) BUT we all know many 10-16 year old's will make up the sales in any 16 game. This may potentially cost them 10 % + sales if mummy says no. A lot to lose for EA simply to slip in a nipple. I would sooner they got bigger sales, to ensure the games financial success, thus ensuring a 5th game.

[abaris]

This may potentially cost them 10 % + sales if mummy says no. A lot to lose for EA simply to slip in a nipple. I would sooner they got bigger sales, to ensure the games financial success, thus ensuring a 5th game.

 

Well, boohoo. I'm devasted over the prospect of them not making the largest possible profit.

 

Tell you what. Rather than a fifth game, I'd have a good game. You know, something as exotic as not bang, bang, you're dead being the only contents.

[Bruno Hslaw]

Well, boohoo. I'm devasted over the prospect of them not making the largest possible profit.

 

Tell you what. Rather than a fifth game, I'd have a good game. You know, something as exotic as not bang, bang, you're dead being the only contents.

So not putting in nudity equates to bang bang your dead in your opinion. What a silly idea.

[Geth Supremacy]

Well, boohoo. I'm devasted over the prospect of them not making the largest possible profit.

 

Tell you what. Rather than a fifth game, I'd have a good game. You know, something as exotic as not bang, bang, you're dead being the only contents.

 

F you say about the MP?

[daveliam]

The way you describe it I picture fully animated male arousal scenes so no, I wouldn't want that, just some swinging bits probably would have been fine. But I actually would have been satisfied with at least a healthy variety of ass shots for guys, because as it was I think the only one was connected to Dorian's romance and everyone else got shafted - pun not intended.

Not all nudity is treated equally when it comes to content ratings. Bare backsides, male or female, are the equivalent of bare breasts. Both fall under the 'partial nudity' category, which is what we had in both the original Mass Effect and DA:I.

 

Nudity (dropping the partial) is when a character, male or female, is shown full frontal. 

 

DA:I didn't give any special treatment to either straight male or gay/bi female gamers with the nudity, as every gender and sexual preference combo had some scenes that featured partial nudity and some that didn't. The equivalent of a male character being full frontal nude would have been a female character full frontal nude. 

 

The DA:I nudity was a little skewed.  The characters who you saw naked:

 

Cassandra - breasts

Sera - breasts

Femquisitor - breasts

 

Dorian - rear

 

I know people argue that Cullen was "naked", but being "naked" and showing "nudity" are two different things.  Cullen was blocked all you saw was side hip, which is not really "nudity".  I get why it was skewed and I get why they don't show full-frontal male nudity.  But I'm not sure why Cullen, Blackwall, Iron Bull, or Malequisitor couldn't be shown with rear nudity as well.  I mean, if you are a female Inquisitor romancing Blackwall, you do get to see nudity -- your own.  They show Femquisitor topless (and actually a little bit more from a distance), but not the guy you are romancing.  It's a little weird and skewed, so I can definitely see where people are coming from when they just want it to be a little more evenly split.

 

A good way could be to decide which romances will show nudity and then, in those romance scenes, just show the LI naked with the PC being shown partially naked (glimpse of shadow boobs and butt).  And it would be great if there were more than one guy LI who would show a little skin. 

[Draining Dragon]

I wonder if Bioware bothers models the groin area while designing characters, even if they're not going to show it.

That must make for an amusing conversation between devs.

[abaris]

I wonder if Bioware bothers models the groin area while designing characters, even if they're not going to show it.

That must make for an amusing conversation between devs.

 

Obviously they did with EDI. The skin tight suits leave little to the imagination, since female characters, even female cybernetics, love spreading their legs when sitting down.

[Pasquale1234]

Also no female genitalia was shown in the game, was it?

Between the extreme camel-toe (Miranda and Edi) and the female characters sitting around the lab in the Arrival DLC, showing their goods, I'd say that they have in fact put female genitalia on display.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Nudity in DA:I fell into the "just about right" zone for me! It was handled tastefully and used only where appropriate. That being said, The Witcher 3 didn't offend me either with its depictions of nudity. Fantasy games such as this, which do feature copious amounts of gore and/or bloodletting should not be squeamish about showing naked bodies where necessary.

 

Agreed. Both games had a very similar stance anyway, showing nudity when it made sense, during sex or in saunas/bathhouses. Well, and that one time with Cullen.

[Akrabra]

I wonder if Bioware bothers models the groin area while designing characters, even if they're not going to show it.

That must make for an amusing conversation between devs.

I doubt it. Even in games like Skyrim where you can strip your character down to your underwear if you somehow manage to remove it with the toolkit they are kendolls. Which is why people mod that stuff in later. 

[The Hierophant]

I wonder if Bioware bothers models the groin area while designing characters, even if they're not going to show it.

That must make for an amusing conversation between devs.

Based on all the talk from the modders who handle stuff like that, i don't think so. They even create new models just for it too.

[abaris]

Based on all the talk from the modders who handle stuff like that, i don't think so. They even create new models just for it too.

 

No, they didn't. Not with the later Bioware games. It's only texture work you see, since there never has been a mesh editor suitable for the body models. With ME2 it's almost exclusively based on texmod and editing the coalesced.ini. With ME3 they seem to have found ways to edit the clothing meshes and the bodies. But not in a big way.

 

You really can't compare modding friendly games like the ones coming from Bethesda with Bioware after DA:O and to a lesser degree DA II, although I never played that one. A good indicator is always the Nexus. Over 2000 files for DA:O, 980 for DAII and about a 1000 for DA:I. The whole ME series only amounts to about 400 files, whereas the Bethesda games feature many thousands each.

[The Hierophant]

No, they didn't. Not with the later Bioware games. It's only texture work you see, since there never has been a mesh editor suitable for the body models. With ME2 it's almost exclusively based on texmod and editing the coalesced.ini. With ME3 they seem to have found ways to edit the clothing meshes and the bodies. But not in a big way.

 

You really can't compare modding friendly games like the ones coming from Bethesda with Bioware after DA:O and to a lesser degree DA II, although I never played that one. A good indicator is always the Nexus. Over 2000 files for DA:O, 980 for DAII and about a 1000 for DA:I. The whole ME series only amounts to about 400 files, whereas the Bethesda games feature many thousands each.

True. In short Bio's/EA's ME games, and DAI weren't modder friendly. Makes you feel for those sfm artists right?

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I think ME 1 had the best sex scenes in general (but ME3 Liara scene was THE best overall). Add some actual visible and equal nudity instead of just side-boob and butt shots and there's an ideal sex scene. But to spice things up I think it would be better to imply sex acts before cuts. For example start with making out -cut- they remove clothes -cut- some naked foreplay -cut- have LI move down (or PC move down to LI) to imply some oral sex -cut- start of a nude humping with kissing in between - cut- change of position -cut- they reach their climax -cut- afterglow and talking. And it's just one example. Other scenes can have something extra or skip some things (different strokes for different folks). Some scenes can be very gentle and loving (emphasis on foreplay) and some energetic and passionate (emphasis on sex) or maybe even a bit wild (skip foreplay). Something like that would be very hot without being pornographic. But most important, scenes should fit with characters of course. Maybe even implement your personality into this (renegade dominating in bed and maybe using some force and paragon being extra gentle and a bit submissive) .

I can dig that.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I would like no nudity. Why give the anti gaming lobby even more to complain about in a shooter game. If I wanted porn I could look up a porn site, not a game.
 
This will get parents backs up as well, causing a lot of kids to miss out. We all know mum has no problem with Tommy killing 300 folk in a hour but heaven forbid he sees a bare bum. Sales = Happy EA after all.

What's wrong with a little spice? As long their not really gratuitously making nudity and sex scenes like XXX(that's what NSFW fan sites are for and Tumblr) but more like NC-17.

[Draining Dragon]

Yeah, I liked ME1's approach to nudity.

[In Exile]

They are not?

 

So you like reality only in your salad and not in your steak...

 

That's essentially what he said.

 

No? Do you even understand what a simple random sample is? 

[SnakeCode]

That's because people who use it have no understand of reality and are terrifyingly ignorant of statistics. There's a pretty big difference between an appeal to the physical rules that govern our reality and a poster's total inability to understand that RPG parties are not simple random samples.

 

And? Your point is irrelevant because everything in the game is a conscious design choice. Who cares if something in a game doesn't adhere to our own reality's rules? That is something that was a choice made intentionally by someone involved with making the game. Just as it's a conscious choice to include X number of LGBT characters.

 

In short, it's a video game.

[In Exile]

And? Your point is irrelevant because everything in the game is a conscious design choice. Who cares if something in a game doesn't adhere to our own reality's rules? That is something that was a choice made intentionally by someone involved with making the game. Just as it's a conscious choice to include X number of LGBT characters.

 

In short, it's a video game.

 

This isn't about whether realism matters. This is about your mistaken analogy and your (pretty pathetic, really) backhanded shot, and calling you out quite publicly for making it. Let's quote you again:

 

Are you implying i'm one of those people Dave? You'd be wrong if that's the case.

And let's not pretend it doesn't go both ways. Plenty here will rabidly bash realism if someone uses it to criticise the amount of gay companions or something considered "progressive" but are quick to use the realism arguments in threads like this.

 

 

There's no "bashing" realism, because there's no connection to reality in the point brought up about the number of gay companions. 

 

The two things you compared simply aren't comparable.The people who say that having X amount of LGBT characters isn't realistic aren't just wrong because they miss the point of fiction - they are wrong that it's unrealistic. The people who say ME is scientifically inaccurate aren't wrong about the inaccuracy - they're just (arguably) wrong that it matters whether ME is scientifically accurate. 

 

Even if we all agreed that realism mattered, and it was the sole goal of all video game development - and in fact the sole goal of all fiction - the representation point would still be incorrect, because it doesn't factually describe reality. 

[SnakeCode]

Lmao, justifying your own hypocrisy and calling me pathetic in the same post, stay classy In Exile.

[In Exile]

Lmao, justifying your own hypocrisy and calling me pathetic in the same post, stay classy In Exile.

 

At least if you're going to try and be dismissive, use the English language properly. This is what "hypocrisy" means: "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense."

 

More to the point, I didn't call you pathetic. I said your point was pathetic, which is different. 

[Andrew Lucas]

With it's rating, I don't get why people ask for no nudity, I am all for ME's approach to make a return, even DAI, gottta love some nipples.

[SnakeCode]

We both know what you meant, it's not the first time you've done it either.

[Draining Dragon]

Snake's point is valid.

You are correct, In Exile, in noting that the teams in Bioware games are not random samples of the population. That said, the companions are being selected in-universe based on their merit, and I think we can both agree that one's sexuality is unlikely to influence that. Unless the leader is intentionally selecting their team members in order to meet a diversity quota, then you quickly reach a point where the number of LGBT companions is highly improbable. Bioware just often chooses to stretch reality in order to better accommodate certain portions of their player base.

[Dobbysaurus]

I wish we could play the entire game while nude.