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[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Interesting how you'll defend the writer's rights to tell the story they want to tell when it involves having nudity and sex, yet when a writer wants to tell the story they want to tell that doesn't involve those things you say they should have those things anyway and personally insult them for not doing so.

Hey I was joking by calling them scaredycats by not adding more sexual content in romance, you don't have take everything I said as serious or literal but I do need to take mine down a notch to not have misunderstandings. And if I'm going to attack and insult them, it will be worse much worse I'll be stalking the writers' email accounts and twitter writing death threats, or saying "they should be fired", or "I hope they die" just because they didn't have it my way, but I didn't and I never will because I don't like doing that to people and it's wrong. But they do need to step up writing sexuality when it comes to sexual relationships. We just have a misunderstanding.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But they do need to step up writing sexuality when it comes to sexual relationships. We just have a misunderstanding.

Evidently we don't have a misunderstanding, since you just did it again. Instead of saying they can tell the kinds of stories they want, you prove my point by saying they need to step it up when it comes to making sexual relationships. 

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

I have seen Witcher "romance" scenes.  I want no part of that.  Calling them "tasteful" is debatable at best.
 
And again, you conflate not having nudity with underwear sex.  Why do you insist it has to be one or the other?

I meant that if they want to show two people having sex they should be realistic by having no underwear involved during the entire scene, it doesn't have to be all gratuitous like adult movies they should create certain sex scenes depending on romance options. And Witcher 3 does certain sex scenes are way better than ME and DA put together because they show how sex scenes can be tasteful and kept in moderation with them and if you don't want sex and nudity that's fine, maybe they can make it optional to have quests to unlock sex scenes or asking romantic interests to have sex. That way you don't have to feel like you're forced to see it.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Evidently we don't have a misunderstanding, since you just did it again. Instead of saying they can tell the kinds of stories they want, you prove my point by saying they need to step it up when it comes to making sexual relationships.

Hey its nothing wrong by me saying they should upgrade. Let me put it this way: I'm not saying that their romances are weak I'm saying that they should work on their writing sexual content in romance and set it up for all romance options to have optional sex scenes that way you don't feel like you have to.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Hey its nothing wrong by me saying they should upgrade. Let me put it this way: I'm not saying that their romances are weak I'm saying that they should work on their writing sexual content in romance and set it up for all romance options to have optional sex scenes that way you don't feel like you have to.

Again, you proved my point by saying that they should have sex be in all romances even if the writer wants to tell a romance story that doesn't involve it. 

[Jewellzify]

Hey its nothing wrong by me saying they should upgrade. Let me put it this way: I'm not saying that their romances are weak I'm saying that they should work on their writing sexual content in romance and set it up for all romance options to have optional sex scenes that way you don't feel like you have to.

 

Again, you proved my point by saying that they should have sex be in all romances even if the writer wants to tell a romance story that doesn't involve it. 

 

No, Phantom said "optional sex scenes". All romance options have the opportunity of a romance, but you do not have to indulge said romance scene and can still romance with out having to see the romance scene....An idea I agree with, seems like everyone would be happy, the devs can create a romance scene for each romance option, and as the player you decide if you want to see the art work created or move on through the story with base-line romance.. win, win..

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

So again, you proved my point by saying that they should have sex be in all romances even if the writer wants to tell a romance story that doesn't involve that aspect.

Ok they can start by either study the Kama Sutra for romance and sexualtiy of how it can balance sex and romance or find some one who writes romance and erotica to write and create better romance and sexual content.

[Iakus]

Ok they can start by either study the Kama Sutra for romance and sexualtiy of how it can balance sex and romance or find some one who writes romance and erotica to write and create better romance and sexual content.

You know, there are entire (popular) genres of romance literature that don't involve sex.  At least not "on screen" sex, as it were.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No, Phantom said "optional sex scenes". All romance options have the opportunity of a romance, but you do not have to indulge said romance scene and can still romance with out having to see the romance scene....An idea I agree with, seems like everyone would be happy, the devs can create a romance scene for each romance option, and as the player you decide if you want to see the art work created or move on through the story with base-line romance.. win, win..

No, they said all romances should have sexual content in mind with the option to skip the sex scene. That still has all romances written with sex in mind, thus is being against the writers writing a story they may want to write if that story doesn't involve sex.

 

Ok they can start by either study the Kama Sutra for romance and sexualtiy of how it can balance sex and romance or find some one who writes romance and erotica to write and create better romance and sexual content.

Or they can write the romances they want to write, and you can respect all of them for it and not just the ones that give you what you want. 

[Mihura]

Depends on the character really, different characters, different strokes. Nudity should be there sure but more on the quality or fun side.

[Jewellzify]

No, they said all romances should have sexual content in mind with the option to skip the sex scene. That still has all romances written with sex in mind, thus is being against the writers writing a story they may want to write if that story doesn't involve sex.

 

Or they can write the romances they want to write, and you can respect all of them for it and not just the ones that give you what you want. 

 Ok so, I am a little confused here, if the writers write all romances to have an obtainable sex scene that is optional, that's not ok?? You don't have to view the sex scene, you can refuse sexual dialog... why would this be a problem?  

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

You know, there are entire (popular) genres of romance literature that don't involve sex.  At least not "on screen" sex, as it were.

Really? Name a couple. And remember... popular romantic literature. No Jude Deveraux. Yes, I've read a couple of her books. So?

[Onewomanarmy]

 Ok so, I am a little confused here, if the writers write all romances to have an obtainable sex scene that is optional, that's not ok?? You don't have to view the sex scene, you can refuse sexual dialog... why would this be a problem?

 

This! Or you could skip it basically for those who do don't want to see it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 Ok so, I am a little confused here, if the writers write all romances to have an obtainable sex scene that is optional, that's not ok?? You don't have to view the sex scene, you can refuse sexual dialog... why would this be a problem?

That's not what's being discussed right now. N7Phantom has on several occasions insulted both the romances and the devs of those romances where sex isn't involved while also saying all romances should have it even if it goes against the story the writers had in mind, so I am confronting them on it.

[Mihura]

 Ok so, I am a little confused here, if the writers write all romances to have an obtainable sex scene that is optional, that's not ok?? You don't have to view the sex scene, you can refuse sexual dialog... why would this be a problem?

 

Not everyone wants to have sex or it just does not fit the theme of the character, Josephine is a good example. But the far opposite is Sera, her character makes it necessary to have a sex scene or at least for the character to express desire to have it.

Different characters, different story arcs.

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

Ok so, I am a little confused here, if the writers write all romances to have an obtainable sex scene that is optional, that's not ok?? You don't have to view the sex scene, you can refuse sexual dialog... why would this be a problem?

"Because I don't want anyone to enjoy sex scenes!"

[Jewellzify]

Not everyone wants to have sex or it just does not fit the theme of the character, Josephine is a good example. But the far opposite is Sera, her character makes it necessary to have a sex scene or at least for the character to express desire to have it.

Different characters, different story arcs.

 

But that's kind of the point here... You choose your LI, for fun's sake, lets say you really like Sera, but you do not agree with sex scenes, you can still have the romance with Sera and get a cut scene of baking cookies instead of tumbling around with her naked on the floor.. This was the point trying to be made and I agree, this would be a win for both sides of the spectrum...

[Jewellzify]

"Because I don't want anyone to enjoy sex scenes!"

 Yeah, at this point, that seems to be the problem

 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But that's kind of the point here... You choose your LI, for fun's sake, lets say you really like Sera, but you do not agree with sex scenes, you can still have the romance with Sera and get a cut scene of baking cookies instead of tumbling around with her naked on the floor.. This was the point trying to be made and I agree, this would be a win for both sides of the spectrum...

How would a romance like Josephine's, Sebastian's, or Solas' work with the option for a depicted sex scene? It goes against the writer's wishes, the character's character, and/or the tone of the romance path.

 

"Because I don't want anyone to enjoy sex scenes!"

Don't put words in my mouth. I've never said that.

[Mihura]

But that's kind of the point here... You choose your LI, for fun's sake, lets say you really like Sera, but you do not agree with sex scenes, you can still have the romance with Sera and get a cut scene of baking cookies instead of tumbling around with her naked on the floor.. This was the point trying to be made and I agree, this would be a win for both sides of the spectrum...

 

Yes, if the full cast of characters wanted sex with the PC of any gender, clearly that is not how it works. Some do, some do not and for some it does not make sense to have it, for story purposes. 

You refusing Sera makes sense, you are controlling your PC but you cannot control how she will react to it or any NPC really.

[Onewomanarmy]

I'm still out of those damn likes but damn, good point are being made and I'll be back to like some posts when I can like again if I remember it lol xD

[BaaBaaBlacksheep]

 

Don't put words in my mouth. I've never said that.

I was only pulling your leg!

[Iakus]

Really? Name a couple. And remember... popular romantic literature. No Jude Deveraux. Yes, I've read a couple of her books. So?

 

https://www.goodread.../gentle-romance

 

https://www.goodread.../no-sex-romance

 

These are specifically romances too.  Not adventure stories with a romance as a sub-plot like Bioware games too.

[Jewellzify]

Yes, if the full cast of characters wanted sex with the PC of any gender, clearly that is not how it works. Some do, some do not and for some it does not make sense to have it, for story purposes. 

You refusing Sera makes sense, you are controlling your PC but you cannot control how she will react to it or any NPC really.

 

Ok, so instead of doing a compromise and allowing two roads for any romance, those roads being sexual relationship or platonic relationship, you think it should be strictly platonic or strictly sexual.. I'm not trying to be an a$$ here, I'm just trying to understand the point you're trying to make..

 

A sex scene for characters such as Solas or Josphine I would not see as pulling the NPC out of character or not fitting into the aspect of storytelling, but as providing more options.. Honestly, I think having the choice for any LI NPC to have the option of platonic or sexual relationships with the PC is a preferable option for Bioware, because they get comments like "I wish Solas/Josephine had a romance scene." or "I wish Cullen/Bull had a platonic romance scene." By adding the option of choosing to have a sexual or platonic relationship, everyone is happy... That's all I'm trying to get across here..

[Andrew Lucas]

"Because I don't want anyone to enjoy sex scenes!"

Report to the ship as soon as possible.