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[Metalfros]

Well after reading those being evil thread I came to realise Shepard in the original trilogy came away with everything. I don't know if it was already stated how a soldier could just commit genocide, shoot random people in the citadel (is almost the same as shooting a civilian you don't like in a parliament) and all that kind of sh*t. It's not really realistic in a supposed civilised galaxy isn't it?

[daveliam]

I only need enough realism so that the game's plot isn't a total **** show.  Outside of that, realism is not necessary.  There should be some degree of realism in every capacity, but it's a science fiction video game, so I'm willing to accept a lot of unrealistic things provided that I enjoy the ride.

[Metalfros]

Yea, I totally agree, but still, I want everything to be bound within the laws of physics (although I am not good at it) and no space magic.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

It should be internally consistent, which I think DaveLiam was alluding to.

 

Also, people often say, about games like Dragon age, you want realism in a world where magic, elves and dragons exist? What we really should expect is that things behave the way they would IRL if they exist IRL. For instance, if I swing my sword I expect it to hit and hopefully damage the enemy, not turn into a bunny and hop away.

[Laughing_Man]

It should be internally consistent

Indeed, this is the magic word - excuse the pun.

 

When you create a universe, you establish its rules, if you do not want to break suspension of disbelief, you should follow them all the way, unless you have a really good reason to change them.

 

And yeah, shooting random people in the face without a good reason is probably not internally consistent, even for a Spectre.

[Gorguz]

Shepard get away with it because he is a spectre. He doesn't follow rules, and he doesn't apply them neither. He does the rules, and nobody can stop him. IIRC, the only way the council can stop a rogue spectre, is by sending an other spectre after him. But that could be true because spectres are very skilled, perhaps all the privileges get removed.

In the first games, everything makes kinda sense, realistically. Even the magic powers have an almost credible explanation (there are not fuckin midichlorian at least).

[Metalfros]

Shepard get away with it because he is a spectre. He doesn't follow rules, and he doesn't apply them neither. He does the rules, and nobody can stop him. IIRC, the only way the council can stop a rogue spectre, is by sending an other spectre after him. But that could be true because spectres are very skilled, perhaps all the privileges get removed.

In the first games, everything makes kinda sense, realistically. Even the magic powers have an almost credible explanation (there are not fuckin midichlorian at least).

I know spectres have a large degree of autonomy, but Shepards autonomy goes ridiculously far.

[Sartoz]

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Realism?

 

The only realism is the weapon fire of chemical guns (ie: bullet weapons), the addition of mercs, drug dealers, thieves, pirates  and other criminal elements, diplomatic BS .. etc in the Citadel and elsewhere. Everything else is fantasy.

 

MEA, will have plenty of those as well but a wagon load of fantasy aliens (good looking and ugly and possibly unrealistic too), high teh, Keth caves I think with advanced tech, the unrealistic Mako (but fun if done right), stunning planetary environments, FTL jump drives and other stuff.

 

No, the game will not bore me with realism.

[Linkenski]

The graphics will be more realistic while the believability remains as questionable as ever.

[xAmilli0n]

It should be internally consistent

 

This is really all that matters.  Follow the rules of your own universe and I'm good.

[Amirit]

It should be internally consistent, which I think DaveLiam was alluding to.

 

Also, people often say, about games like Dragon age, you want realism in a world where magic, elves and dragons exist? What we really should expect is that things behave the way they would IRL if they exist IRL. For instance, if I swing my sword I expect it to hit and hopefully damage the enemy, not turn into a bunny and hop away.

 

Actually THAT would be fitting in the world of magic. But hitting a man who stands still in front of you with a huge sword (while you are a famous warrior) and missing him 2 times out of 3, wile that 1 time you heat him is not lethal at all - that feels a bit unnatural even for fantasy.

[AlanC9]

Well after reading those being evil thread I came to realise Shepard in the original trilogy came away with everything. I don't know if it was already stated how a soldier could just commit genocide, shoot random people in the citadel (is almost the same as shooting a civilian you don't like in a parliament) and all that kind of sh*t. It's not really realistic in a supposed civilised galaxy isn't it?

At which point would Shepard get in trouble for those actions? There's nobody he shoots on the Citadel where he can't claim it as a legitimate exercise of Spectre authority -- I suppose Garrus' LM might be an exception, but C-Sec isn't going to care much about Harkin, and Sidonis is outright assassinated. None of the genocides would come back to bite him either - Shepard's hands are clean at Rannoch if he sits back and lets the geth win, and if he doesn't nobody's going to care about the geth anyway, nobody really wants the rachni back, and sabotaging the genophage cure is a secret,

[KaiserShep]

At which point would Shepard get in trouble for those actions? There's nobody he shoots on the Citadel where he can't claim it as a legitimate exercise of Spectre authority -- I suppose Garrus' LM might be an exception, but C-Sec isn't going to care much about Harkin, and Sidonis is outright assassinated. None of the genocides would come back to bite him either - Shepard's hands are clean at Rannoch if he sits back and lets the geth win, and if he doesn't nobody's going to care about the geth anyway, nobody really wants the rachni back, and sabotaging the genophage cure is a secret,

 

Yeah, pretty much. No one's going to tried in Space Hague for letting the geth, which absolutely everyone else in the galaxy despises, bite the big one. Sparatus might complain about wiping out the rachni queen in the beginning, but deep in his cold turian heart he's glad to be rid of them. 

[Larry-3]

Speaking of magic, I thought biotics were dark energy being manipulated by some type of implant in a person's body... ?

Anyway, Shepard is a spectre; he can do whatever. Which other specters seem to do. One specter worked for the Shadow broker, another one drunk alcohol with you on the Citadel. On Thane's loyalty mission, some lawyer -- I believe -- figured out you were a spectre and told the guy strapped to the chair that you could do whatever you want.

[RatThing]

I don't think Shepard is crossing any lines either in the view of the counsil. Let's not forget that the counsil races, Turians and Salarians were the ones who deployed the genophage, and the Salarians even modified it. Good or bad, the genophage is accepted by the counsil. The Geth are not regarded as people by the common races. Quarians? Is it Shepard who killed them or made them attack the Geth? Shepard does not necessarily know what would happen if the code gets uploaded, a lot of players didn't know that themselves in their first playthrough. What else is there? Morinth maybe, but she's a secret. The Rachni is in the end just one individual (who can be considered dangerous and whose "children" just committed a massacre). And for the Batarian colony Shepard wiped out during "Arrival" (s)he actually has to answer.   

 

Edit: One thing is actually iffy. If Shepard kills Joram Talid during Thane's loyalty mission. He may be a doushe, but he's still just a civilian and a politician, and there's nothing that justifies killing him. It could be seen as a politically motivated crime given his agenda. Edit2, oh wait, wasn't he collecting protection money from store owners? Yeah, never mind.

[In Exile]

The realism ship sailed when the words "faster than light travel" and "alien races" came up.

[Daemul]

LIke everyone said there's nothing really that Shepard does, except blowing up the Alpha Relay, that will get him in major trouble with the council.

 

Sabotaging the Genophage? As per the Dalatrass and the Councilor the Salarians have his back. 

 

Geth? No one will care

 

Quarians? They brought it on themselves

 

Rachni? LOL!

[Majestic Jazz]

I only need enough realism so that the game's plot isn't a total **** show. Outside of that, realism is not necessary. There should be some degree of realism in every capacity, but it's a science fiction video game, so I'm willing to accept a lot of unrealistic things provided that I enjoy the ride.

So having sexy women and sexy men fighting in combat in catsuits is fine then correct?

[In Exile]

So having sexy women and sexy men fighting in combat in catsuits is fine then correct?

 

Let me put it this way: realism is a silly complaint on this point. But "verisimilitude" is different from realism. 

[justafan]

I think such unaccountability might actually work in ME:A, especially since it seems they are going for a Wild West vibe.  I would assume that the main character at least has a connection to the Alliance or Citadel given the presence of N7s, but it looks like those going to Andromeda are going to be beyond the reach of normal law enforcement.

 

Unfortunately, I'd put money on the council giving the character Spectre authority before the mission to give legitimacy to his/her/our actions and alliances, but even if they didn't, by building colonies and alliances, it sounds like we are going to have the biggest stick for thousands of lightyears in the new galaxy, and that means nobody to second guess actions unless they want to take it up with Sir Isaac Newton out of the barrel of a dreadnaught.

[The Elder King]

So having sexy women and sexy men fighting in combat in catsuits is fine then correct?

It'd be, At best, 'got him', since, you know, me and the others You argued with didn't post yet .

[Big I]

There's nobody he shoots on the Citadel where he can't claim it as a legitimate exercise of Spectre authority

 

You can kill Joram Talid, Kolyat's target in Thane's loyalty mission. He was a politician campaigning on an anti-corruption platform (even if he was also shaking down store owners for cash and spouting anti-human rhetoric).

[BabyPuncher]

'Realism' is a very tricky word to use when talking about fiction.

 

It's very easy to lead yourself into absurdities if you're not very, very careful.

 

The short answer is that fiction should NOT be 'realistic' in the sense of 'this is what would be most likely to happen were this situation to occur in real life.' Because then it wouldn't be a story.

[daveliam]

@Majestic Jazz

 

You still don't understand anything I said, huh?  It's silly but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief on it.  Provided that it's evenly distributed across both genders.  I've said from the beginning that I'm cool with EDI cameltoe and Miranda's ass in my face provided that I get Jacob's visible penis outline and Kaidan's pants so tight that I can see he asscrack.  If I get that, I'm fine with it.  But I'm sure you won't be able to figure out what I'm saying on this point either.  So the only thing you "got" is a continued lack of comprehension.

[BabyPuncher]

@Majestic Jazz

 

You still don't understand anything I said, huh?  It's silly but I'm willing to suspend my disbelief on it.  Provided that it's evenly distributed across both genders.  I've said from the beginning that I'm cool with EDI cameltoe and Miranda's ass in my face provided that I get Jacob's visible penis outline and Kaidan's pants so tight that I can see he asscrack.  If I get that, I'm fine with it.  But I'm sure you won't be able to figure out what I'm saying on this point either.  So the only thing you "got" is a continued lack of comprehension.

 

Women doing such things and men doing them are really not the same thing at all.