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[camphor]

i never got the feeling humans were oh so important just shepard and i always thought given the opportunity garrus could have pulled the same thing off but meh i realise im in the minority on this one

[Kabooooom]

I never did bother to look this guy up after playing the game, and I thought it was pretty weird. Weirder still when I got out of the cave, and went to go snipe him in the face, only to realize that for some reason, he wasn't wearing a helmet.

Extreme IT confirmed.

Yeah there was some extreme design laziness on that mission, lol. But its still one of my favorite missions for that reason. I usually do either one of two things: 1) snipe him in the face and all his buddies too while they run around and shoot up like idiots. They can almost never hit you if you crouch down on the cliff edge. Or 2) stealthy crouch and sneak down to the left in the ditch, crawl up to the other side of the Mako, runs for it while still unseen by the guards, then run over them all once they finally realize what is happening.

Elias is always the last one standing then. So I get out of the Mako and lift him up with one party member. Stand directly underneath him, and use throw simultaneously from two other biotic party members. You can literally throw him nearly into space and break the physics of the game if you have everything maxed out. You can do that with a lot of stuff in the game actually. He falls down to the ground a long time later on the other side of the mountains, usually. Epic.

[animedreamer]

Since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise, humans have been "the new kid on the block."
We were the newcomers to galactic civilization, still struggling for our place with everyone else looking down on us.

 

Now, I was hoping we could see that change in ME4. Humans would become a fact within the galaxy, the Humans Councilor no longer a scandal and curiosity but as part of the Council as the other species. Humans becoming commonplace on hubs and even younger, weaker species courting us for support.

 

By transporting us to an entirely different galaxy, we have been denied this.

The citadel wasn't going to exist anymore anyway after ME3, considering what it was and it being pretty much destroyed. I'm more curious now as to what will be if there even is one what will constitute as the hub for galactic civilization. I guess you could say its pioneering all over again with humanity likely still leading the new races toward recolonizing this new galaxy, there still might be a chance you get your wish but not so much as political superiors but leadership in general.

[saladinbob]

This.

 

If anything humans were somewhat over represented. They account for about half of all NPCs on the CItadel, despite humanity being a relative newcomer to the galaxy. If you break it down into individual species and don't just lump all nonhumans into a single 'alien' category, humans have to be by far the most common species you run into. Individually there are certainly more humans than Turians or Salarians. 10% to 20% of the NPCs being human would probably have been more plausible.

 

With most of the others being Assari. There's been a distinct lack of other races in the NPCs. Hopefully we can see some diversity in the next game.

[Han Shot First]

With most of the others being Assari. There's been a distinct lack of other races in the NPCs. Hopefully we can see some diversity in the next game.

 

I think the large numbers of humans and Asari compared to the other species, is in part due to there not being female character models for some of the others. 

[animedreamer]

I think the large numbers of humans and Asari compared to the other species, is in part due to there not being female character models for some of the others. 

Which is something i think they'll remedy in the new game.

 

Honestly I don't believe every Milky Way Galaxy race should return in Andromeda because its simply unbelievable that they'd all come to the same conclusion and have all the same resources to make the trip. Thessia was rocked quicker and harder than Earth and Earth was hit the hardest. The Salarians i can believe as their homeworld was never hit to our knowledge or at least not up until the very end. The Krogan might as well be gone though they have confirmed a Krogan crewmate in this new game so maybe a handful hitched a ride with the humans. The Batarians are gone, Alpha Relay Destruction plus Reaper Forces means outside of handful who might have been else where like that one guy in ME3 means they are gone. I want to believe that the Quarians made it as they where already a mobile fleet of ships anyway, they obviously didn't bring their civilian ships with them to try and save Earth. The Turians again sorry they should be dead they pretty much lost Paluvin and had been fighting the Reapers nearly as long as humanity was but again, if you saved the Krogan they might have survived long enough for a escape plan or to mobile their other colonies to evacuate to another galaxy but i think its should be one of those did you didn't you choices when ME:A starts. Geth something similar, as they didn't colonize to our knowledge outside of a few orbital stations maybe like the one in ME2, it comes down to did you save them or the Quarians or did you save them both?

 

Final count for races I hope return.

 

Humans (Well duh already confirmed they were saved.)

Krogan (kind of confirmed though one crewmate doesn't necessarily mean enough of them survived to colonize a new world.)

Salarians

Quarians 

Turian (possibly depending on choices)

Geth (depends on choices)

 

 

Final count 6 returning races.

 

everyone else (Volus, Elcor, Hanar, Drell and everyone else are hopefully space dust.)

[Torgette]

i never got the feeling humans were oh so important just shepard and i always thought given the opportunity garrus could have pulled the same thing off but meh i realise im in the minority on this one

 

Yep, in the end everybody became space faring for the same artificial reasons, nobody's really special in the end except the people/aliens who defeat the reapers.

[Will-o'-wisp]

Thessia was rocked quicker and harder than Earth and Earth was hit the hardest. The Salarians i can believe as their homeworld was never hit to our knowledge or at least not up until the very end. The Krogan might as well be gone though they have confirmed a Krogan crewmate in this new game so maybe a handful hitched a ride with the humans. The Batarians are gone, Alpha Relay Destruction plus Reaper Forces means outside of handful who might have been else where like that one guy in ME3 means they are gone. I want to believe that the Quarians made it as they where already a mobile fleet of ships anyway, they obviously didn't bring their civilian ships with them to try and save Earth.

1. Earth wasn't hit the hardest, the Batarian home planet Khar'shan and their core systems were hit first. Since they sadly aren't a Mary Sue  race favored by the other species like humanity, no one gave a **** about that and built an army to fight Reaper occupation there back.

2. Batarians aren't gone because of that. By that logic, humanity should be gone as well but they aren't, because there's millions of members of every species living outside their own systems. Batarians seemed to be the most prevalent species in the Terminus Systems and I think that a reasonable population survived.

 

I'd much rather see the Batarians make a comeback in ME:A than species like the Krogan, quarians or geth. Their stories have been featured prominently throughout the series while the batarians' potential was completely wasted and they were either used as enemy mooks or the punching bags of the galaxy. Since their worlds were destroyed first, they would've been looking for ways to survive first and there should be a reasonable chance that they found a way to enter the ark program / become a part of whatever leads us to Andromeda in the first place. It's not like they have much left to lose in the Milky Way, so they should be up for it.

 

I really hope they don't get pushed aside again for the other species that have already had their time to shine again and again. But I'm afraid I'm one of the very few Batarian fans on here and that they don't look bangable enough for most people to care whether they'll be back or not.

[Vortex13]

1. Earth wasn't hit the hardest, the Batarian home planet Khar'shan and their core systems were hit first. Since they sadly aren't a Mary Sue  race favored by the other species like humanity, no one gave a **** about that and built an army to fight Reaper occupation there back.

2. Batarians aren't gone because of that. By that logic, humanity should be gone as well but they aren't, because there's millions of members of every species living outside their own systems. Batarians seemed to be the most prevalent species in the Terminus Systems and I think that a reasonable population survived.

 

I'd much rather see the Batarians make a comeback in ME:A than species like the Krogan, quarians or geth. Their stories have been featured prominently throughout the series while the batarians' potential was completely wasted and they were either used as enemy mooks or the punching bags of the galaxy. Since their worlds were destroyed first, they would've been looking for ways to survive first and there should be a reasonable chance that they found a way to enter the ark program / become a part of whatever leads us to Andromeda in the first place. It's not like they have much left to lose in the Milky Way, so they should be up for it.

 

I really hope they don't get pushed aside again for the other species that have already had their time to shine again and again. But I'm afraid I'm one of the very few Batarian fans on here and that they don't look bangable enough for most people to care whether they'll be back or not.

 

 

I'm with you.

 

Well I am a Rachni fan first and foremost, but the Batarians are one of my preferred humanoid species, simply because they, much like the Rachni, Hanar, and Elcor, are ignored by the narrative.

 

I would like to see both the Rachni and Batarians make it to Andromeda, they have a lot of untapped potential to explore and I really, really would like to see them over the Not-Rachni, or Not-Batarians of Andromeda.

[Golden_Persona]

I would most certainly love to see the Batarians make a comeback and be a part of the squad in the next game. Not having a Batarian squad mate in at least ME3, which could have lead to interesting drama (as well as he most likely wouldn't be a Shepard worshiper which adds team dynamic. Even Javik became one only a couple missions after you found him) was a bit of a waste. Way too many human party members in ME3 for my personal taste.

 

I'm never one for stories that make humans out to be super special ultimate good guys, in the same way I hate stories that make humans out to be the ultimate evil scumbag race. I hope MEA evens the playing field. The Khet should by all means be much more advanced and stronger than us, which also leads us through an underdog story which are always fun.

[In Exile]

Since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise, humans have been "the new kid on the block."
We were the newcomers to galactic civilization, still struggling for our place with everyone else looking down on us.

 

Now, I was hoping we could see that change in ME4. Humans would become a fact within the galaxy, the Humans Councilor no longer a scandal and curiosity but as part of the Council as the other species. Humans becoming commonplace on hubs and even younger, weaker species courting us for support.

 

By transporting us to an entirely different galaxy, we have been denied this.

 

I miss the part about the ME series - that was largely dropped with ME - that focused on the idea of the rise of humanity. It's a big feature of ME1 - who we are, who will we become, that more or less just becomes the Cerberus All-Star Parade. It also swaps the type of humans are special trope for the worse (though that largely gets entirely dropped by ME3). 

[In Exile]

1. Earth wasn't hit the hardest, the Batarian home planet Khar'shan and their core systems were hit first. Since they sadly aren't a Mary Sue  race favored by the other species like humanity, no one gave a **** about that and built an army to fight Reaper occupation there back.

2. Batarians aren't gone because of that. By that logic, humanity should be gone as well but they aren't, because there's millions of members of every species living outside their own systems. Batarians seemed to be the most prevalent species in the Terminus Systems and I think that a reasonable population survived.

 

I'd much rather see the Batarians make a comeback in ME:A than species like the Krogan, quarians or geth. Their stories have been featured prominently throughout the series while the batarians' potential was completely wasted and they were either used as enemy mooks or the punching bags of the galaxy. Since their worlds were destroyed first, they would've been looking for ways to survive first and there should be a reasonable chance that they found a way to enter the ark program / become a part of whatever leads us to Andromeda in the first place. It's not like they have much left to lose in the Milky Way, so they should be up for it.

 

I really hope they don't get pushed aside again for the other species that have already had their time to shine again and again. But I'm afraid I'm one of the very few Batarian fans on here and that they don't look bangable enough for most people to care whether they'll be back or not.

 

Batarians are the most anomiable slavers in existence. There is nothing redeeming at all about their culture other than the possibility that some portion of their population weren't absolutely irredeemable and monstrous slavers. Their continued existence is about the only mercy that race exists. It's ridiculous the extent to which they're an always chaotic evil race. Even the drow in D&D are better. 

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

Since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise, humans have been "the new kid on the block."
We were the newcomers to galactic civilization, still struggling for our place with everyone else looking down on us.

It seemed more to me that Humanity was the galaxy's master race and that everyone else was a little worried that we were in the process of renaming the galaxy The Human Way. Within 30 years of First Contact, Humanity is everywhere in the galaxy. We're already innovating on the dominant technology that seems to have remained more or less static in the hands of the other races; we're in the hunt (as the story starts) for SPECTRE membership and Council membership, although other sentient races aren't being considered despite being around for centuries. (Oh, and we actually had a SPECTRE recruit years before Shepard showed up, and he only failed because of subterfuge on the part of a sitting SPECTRE.)

We're described as "bullies" rushing to get what we want and shouldering aside anyone who gets in the way. Even without considering that our species produced Shepard, we were still moving ahead at a ridiculous pace. Maybe it's just time for us to go dominate another 250 billion star systems.

[MisterJB]

The only good batarian is a dead batarian.

[Kabooooom]

If the Asari (I'm assuming they were predominantly behind it) built an ark, then the following species are pretty much guaranteed a seat:

Humans, turians, asari (duh), salarians. Volus as well, most likely. Probably the Elcor too.

The Batarians and all non-Citadel affiliated species are pretty much guaranteed to be left out. Unfortunately that means the Quarians too, probably. The Drell have living requirements that are too complicated. The Hanar...they will probably be taken for comic relief alone, lets be honest.

[Catastrophy]

If you're bitter why not have something sweet then?

[Former_Fiend]

Well, look at it this way; the move to Andromeda puts all the Milky Way races on equal footing in terms of the 'new kid on the block' thing.

[eyezonlyii]

I would most certainly love to see the Batarians make a comeback and be a part of the squad in the next game. Not having a Batarian squad mate in at least ME3, which could have lead to interesting drama (as well as he most likely wouldn't be a Shepard worshiper which adds team dynamic. Even Javik became one only a couple missions after you found him) was a bit of a waste. Way too many human party members in ME3 for my personal taste.
 

I like Batarians as well, but there were only two potential human squad members, James and the VS. That's the same number as the first ME. And you could even choose to kill or not have the VS.

[Former_Fiend]

Batarians are the most anomiable slavers in existence. There is nothing redeeming at all about their culture other than the possibility that some portion of their population weren't absolutely irredeemable and monstrous slavers. Their continued existence is about the only mercy that race exists. It's ridiculous the extent to which they're an always chaotic evil race. Even the drow in D&D are better. 

 

 

You know, it's funny you bring that up.

 

Thing most people forget about drow, including most writers employed by Wizards of the Coast, is that the drow weren't intended to be universally evil. The aristocracy of the drow is evil to the core, but the bulk of their population, the commoners, were more neutral aligned, and were essentially slaves to the greater system. If you found yourself in a drow city, knew the language, and had any kind of diplomacy skill, you'd generally be able to count on drow commoners to help you out because they hated the evil upper class more than you did. 

 

I honestly get the same impression from the batarians. As a whole, they aren't so much evil as they are brainwashed, living under the heel of an evil government. We just have the misfortune of dealing with the worst of them throughout the series. And yes, they practice slavery. And slavery is evil. Several human cultures throughout history have practiced slavery; that doesn't mean that every single person, or even most of them, belonging to those cultures were evil.

 

At any rate, I don't think we get to see enough of actual batarian culture to make sweeping moral judgments against the whole of the species. There are enough hints that they're as much victims of the hegemony as anyone else to cast doubts on the claim that they're all horrible people.

[Patchwork]

1. Earth wasn't hit the hardest, the Batarian home planet Khar'shan and their core systems were hit first. Since they sadly aren't a Mary Sue  race favored by the other species like humanity, no one gave a **** about that and built an army to fight Reaper occupation there back.

2. Batarians aren't gone because of that. By that logic, humanity should be gone as well but they aren't, because there's millions of members of every species living outside their own systems. Batarians seemed to be the most prevalent species in the Terminus Systems and I think that a reasonable population survived.

 

I'd much rather see the Batarians make a comeback in ME:A than species like the Krogan, quarians or geth. Their stories have been featured prominently throughout the series while the batarians' potential was completely wasted and they were either used as enemy mooks or the punching bags of the galaxy. Since their worlds were destroyed first, they would've been looking for ways to survive first and there should be a reasonable chance that they found a way to enter the ark program / become a part of whatever leads us to Andromeda in the first place. It's not like they have much left to lose in the Milky Way, so they should be up for it.

 

I really hope they don't get pushed aside again for the other species that have already had their time to shine again and again. But I'm afraid I'm one of the very few Batarian fans on here and that they don't look bangable enough for most people to care whether they'll be back or not.

 

I'm not a fan of Batarians but you raise some good points, in addition to learning about Andromeda and its residence it could be interesting to take another look at a race we're already familiar with who are trying to redefine themselves. 

 

And they would have to change because I doubt the outcasts of the MK would been allowed onto the Ark if they refused to give up slavery. 

[agonis]

You know, it's funny you bring that up.

 

Thing most people forget about drow, including most writers employed by Wizards of the Coast, is that the drow weren't intended to be universally evil. The aristocracy of the drow is evil to the core, but the bulk of their population, the commoners, were more neutral aligned, and were essentially slaves to the greater system. If you found yourself in a drow city, knew the language, and had any kind of diplomacy skill, you'd generally be able to count on drow commoners to help you out because they hated the evil upper class more than you did. 

 

I honestly get the same impression from the batarians. As a whole, they aren't so much evil as they are brainwashed, living under the heel of an evil government. We just have the misfortune of dealing with the worst of them throughout the series. And yes, they practice slavery. And slavery is evil. Several human cultures throughout history have practiced slavery; that doesn't mean that every single person, or even most of them, belonging to those cultures were evil.

 

At any rate, I don't think we get to see enough of actual batarian culture to make sweeping moral judgments against the whole of the species. There are enough hints that they're as much victims of the hegemony as anyone else to cast doubts on the claim that they're all horrible people.

 

Yeah, this is also written in the Mass Effect wiki.

 

I played a Batarian politician in P&P once. That was real fun. It´s is refreshing being an Anti-Hero.

[styxtyde]

This comes down to personal taste. I like the idea of being part of just a handful of humans in a new galaxy and showing the aliens of Andromeda what being human is all about. This gives Bioware massive scope for character progression for both the human protagonist and vital NPC's, not to mention the lore. I hope they exploit this to the full. So much potential.

[Avilan II]

The citadel wasn't going to exist anymore anyway after ME3, considering what it was and it being pretty much destroyed. 

 

This is blatantly false.

[FKA_Servo]

This is blatantly false.

 

From what I remember, it seems pretty accurate.

 

This comes down to personal taste. I like the idea of being part of just a handful of humans in a new galaxy and showing the aliens of Andromeda what being human is all about. This gives Bioware massive scope for character progression for both the human protagonist and vital NPC's, not to mention the lore. I hope they exploit this to the full. So much potential.

 

On the other hand, I really hope it's not so human centric. Whatever this Pathfinder Initiative ends up being, I hope that all the council races have a hand in it as equal partners, along with other non-council races like the Quarians. I'm much more interested in finding a new place to rebuild in concert with them as opposed to being another special human.

[Avilan II]

From what I remember, it seems pretty accurate.

 

 

Blue ending: Reaper!Shep repairs the Citadel. Plus it is not really that badly damaged.

Green Ending: See Blue ending but without Shepard

Red Ending: Citadel is in 3-4 major pieces, but according to the ending slides, it is quote "Easily repaired".

 

If you sit through the endings, you know this.