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[mickey111]

the asari had the technology for thousands of year, and didn't do much better defending their own planet than humans who only just recently expanded in the galaxy.

[KaiserShep]

Actually, the asari held a better fight than the humans did against the reapers. Both Thessia and Illium were better defended, and the reapers had a harder time deploying ground troops, due to the fact that a race primarily comprised of biotics makes the population more difficult to control and overwhelm. 

[The Elder King]

I don't havd a good opinion of most species in ME3. And that's without considering how the Big Four practically ignored the Reapers' threat.

[DaemionMoadrin]

The Salarians didn't have the military strength of the humans, they usually don't do frontline combat. They still defended their home system until the Crucible was ready. You didn't see reaperized Salarians either.

The Turians did well, they were the first to actually destroy Reapers and inflicted the first losses on the Reaper ground forces.

The Asari were forced to stop fighting because the Reapers threatened to annihilate their planets from orbit otherwise.

 

The Humans got caught with their pants down. Remember the ME3 intro, the Reapers arrived so quickly there was basically no defense. The planet holding out so long was a plot device, it got overrun on day one. The same day the humans lost Arcturus Station, too. They had almost no leaders left by that point and were in full chaos. By all rights they had lost already.

[Fixers0]

The Salarians didn't have the military strength of the humans, they usually don't do frontline combat. They still defended their home system until the Crucible was ready. You didn't see reaperized Salarians either.

 

 

That's certainly not true, we know for a fact that the Salarian have larger and more advanced fleet than the Alliance, they're far more widespread almost certainly have larger number of active  duty troops, in addtion to large amounts of drones an other unmanned gear. An all out war between the Salarians and the Alliance would always in Salarian victory, I'd dare to say even the Volus would  beat the Alliance when it comes to naval assets.

[Han Yolo]

You humans are all racist.

[von uber]

Humans are special.

[katerinafm]

The plot made the asari fall in a single fight.

[sjsharp2011]

Actually, the asari held a better fight than the humans did against the reapers. Both Thessia and Illium were better defended, and the reapers had a harder time deploying ground troops, due to the fact that a race primarily comprised of biotics makes the population more difficult to control and overwhelm. 

yeah I agree especially as they don't really get heavily hit until towards the later end of the game they did do a pretty good job in holding them off.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Humans are simply the superior species.

[Lulupab]

I don't really love any of the Asari characters... BUT

 

THE ASARI HAVE ARIA.

 

GET ON HER LEVEL PEASANTS.

 

[Quarian Master Race]

Their leaderships certainly were for the most part, especially the Council species. They didn't even bother to prep for or react to the Reapers until they were already being harvested. The minor Council affiliate species were similarly just along for the ride, being ruled by the big 3 as they had been for thousands of years. The turians put up a good fight given the circumstances, and the salarians do their best to avoid fighting altogether, but at least they are never overrun. It's the asari who really take the idiot ball and run with it by continuing to hide the beacon for months, only relenting when they start getting rekt.

The krogan hold the galaxy hostage until their cure is ready, despite knowing that everyone will die if the Reapers win. In fairness, it probably was their only opportunity at ever getting a cure and they were going to die either way if they didn't.

The geth acknowledge the threat and pledge to help, but subsequently spend their time building a useless Dyson sphere which gets blown up by the quarians, then they actually go and ally with the damn Reapers. 

The quarians acknowledge the threat and pledge to help, but then send their shiny newly armed fleet against the geth instead. In fairness, they wanted a place to offload their civilians so their ships could actually be useful in the fight, and Rannoch's the only place that would work for that.

Batarians get predictably annihilated offscreen for being a comical isolationist pariah state.

Leviathan sit in their goddamn ocean trench until someone comes along to tell them what a bunch of idiots they are for creating the whole mess by being the worst AI programmers in the universe.

Only the Rachni really commit and then don't do anything but prepare, but they get destroyed and their queen enslaved offscreen.

[Ahriman]

Answering OP's question - yes, they are or else humans would stuck as low-tier council race for hundreds of years, trying to catch up with races, which traveled between stars hundreds of years before humanity.

 

That's certainly not true, we know for a fact that the Salarian have larger and more advanced fleet than the Alliance, they're far more widespread almost certainly have larger number of active  duty troops, in addtion to large amounts of drones an other unmanned gear. An all out war between the Salarians and the Alliance would always in Salarian victory, I'd dare to say even the Volus would  beat the Alliance when it comes to naval assets.

Agree on salarians, but voluses are far behind, they have only one dreadnought and war goes against their culture.

 

I don't havd a good opinion of most species in ME3. And that's without considering how the Big Four practically ignored the Reapers' threat.

Well, how can you really prepare against hordes of Reapers, when only one of them single-...tentacedly held off entire Fifth fleet?

[DaemionMoadrin]

That's certainly not true, we know for a fact that the Salarian have larger and more advanced fleet than the Alliance, they're far more widespread almost certainly have larger number of active  duty troops, in addtion to large amounts of drones an other unmanned gear. An all out war between the Salarians and the Alliance would always in Salarian victory, I'd dare to say even the Volus would  beat the Alliance when it comes to naval assets.

 

In principle, the salarian military is similar to the Systems Alliance, a small volunteer army that focuses on maneuver warfare. What differentiates the salarians is not their equipment or doctrine, but their intelligence services and rules of engagement. The salarians believe that a war should be won before it begins (a doctrine also espoused by some of humanity's greatest generals, such as Sun Tzu).

The unquestioned superiority of their intelligence services allows them to use their small military to maximum effectiveness. Well before fighting breaks out, they possess complete knowledge of their enemy's positions, intentions, and timetable.

 

While capable of defending themselves against most threats, the salarians know that they are small fish in a universe filled with sharks. As a point of survival, they have cultivated strong alliances with larger powers, particularly with the turians.

 

The salarian navy has sixteen dreadnoughts, which is considerably less than the maximum they are allowed to build under the Treaty of Farixen.

 

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The Alliance military is respected by the Citadel races for its novel tactics and technology. Their strength lies in fire support, flexibility, and speed. The Council regards the Alliance as a "sleeping giant" as only 3% of humans volunteer for military service. They make up for low numbers with sophisticated technical support in the form of VIs, drones, artillery, and electronic warfare, and emphasis on mobility and individual initiative. Their military doctrine is not based on absorbing and dishing out heavy shocks like the turians and krogan. Rather, they bypass enemy strong points and launch deep into their rear, cutting supply lines and logistics, destroying headquarters and support units, leaving enemies to "wither on the vine".

 

At the time of the First Contact War in 2157 CE, the Alliance possessed a navy consisting of over 200 vessels ranging from small hundred-meter frigates to imposing kilometer-long dreadnoughts and carriers. By 2183 CE, it is recognized as one of the greater military forces in Citadel space. As a signatory of the Treaty of Farixen, the Alliance is restricted to building and maintaining a smaller number of dreadnoughts compared to the turians. The Alliance Navy has made up for this with the innovative design and deployment of carriers, which are as large as dreadnoughts, but are not constrained by the treaty because their primary armament consists of fighters instead of ship-length mass accelerator cannons.

 

The System Alliance has far more vessels, more firepower and can field more soldiers than the Salarians.

[Seboist]

Humans are simply the superior species.

 

That's actually supported by the games. In ME2, it's shown that humans have the best racial stock in the galaxy and are the only ones worth preserving according to the Reapers for it's "genetic diversity".

[MisterJB]

That's certainly not true, we know for a fact that the Salarian have larger and more advanced fleet than the Alliance, they're far more widespread almost certainly have larger number of active  duty troops, in addtion to large amounts of drones an other unmanned gear. An all out war between the Salarians and the Alliance would always in Salarian victory, I'd dare to say even the Volus would  beat the Alliance when it comes to naval assets.

Through biological warfare, perhaps but only that.

 

Salarians have double the number of dreadnoughts, that is a fact but human military is more versatile. We have biotics, they don't. We have heavy troopers, they don't. We have carriers, they don't. We have stealth, they don't.

In the terrain, humans are just that much tougher.

Plus, we are more commited towards increasing our military capabilities. In 2183, Salarians had 16 dreadnoughts and Humans 6. By 2185, Salarians still had 16, but Humans had 8 and one in constructiion. And that is not counting the carriers which are not bound by the Treaty of Farixen and we have been mass producing.

 

In a straight up fight, Humans should take it. If they start dropping things like the Genophage or the Yahg, that is when we are in trouble.

[mickey111]

I don't havd a good opinion of most species in ME3. And that's without considering how the Big Four practically ignored the Reapers' threat.

you don't think they've heard claims of alien invaders a thousand times before shepard was even born? What, did all of the hundreds or thousands of crazy people with their tin foil theories suddenly keep silent as soon as they discovered that there are indeed more than one sole species of life in the galaxy and that they couldn't be under imminent danger of harvesting from the 99% of uncharted space?

[Majestic Jazz]

Because Bioware follows the sci-fi trope that Humanity is so special and superior and all great ideas comes from Humans while all the other races serves as background decorations. Somehow in ME:A Humans will once again be the dominate species and the story will be told in a way that makes humans more special, powerful, competent, superior than all the other races.

[mickey111]

Actually, the asari held a better fight than the humans did against the reapers. Both Thessia and Illium were better defended, and the reapers had a harder time deploying ground troops, due to the fact that a race primarily comprised of biotics makes the population more difficult to control and overwhelm. 

 

well that's a great opinion, but the asari failed to hold off the first reaper attack just as the humans did. the story clearly wants us to think the asari are bad at war.

[stysiaq]

That's because they were all women.

 

*runs away*

[Ahriman]

 

While capable of defending themselves against most threats, the salarians know that they are small fish in a universe filled with sharks. As a point of survival, they have cultivated strong alliances with larger powers, particularly with the turians.

 

Small fish with third largest fleet in the galaxy, gets me every time.

[Fixers0]

The System Alliance has far more vessels, more firepower and can field more soldiers than the Salarians.

 

There's no plausable explanation for organisation that has only been in existance  for a whopping 35 earh years, with only half a dozen sizable colonies to be have a more powerfull military than an union that has been going on for many centuries and that has spread throughout the galaxy. The Salarian military is small relative to the total size of their union, just as how the Alliance is small relative to the size of all of Humanity. Unfortunantly for the Alliance, by every meaningfull metric, in absolute numbers the Salarians are further than Humanity, Whether it's technology, colonies, weaponry, culture, population, etc.  

[Kaiser Shepard]

Actually, the asari held a better fight than the humans did against the reapers. Both Thessia and Illium were better defended, and the reapers had a harder time deploying ground troops, due to the fact that a race primarily comprised of biotics makes the population more difficult to control and overwhelm. 

 

Yet those parasites still did quite miserably even against the lesser amount of Reapers sent after them, despite their innate biotic abilities and all the numerous other advantages the Protheans granted them. Where humanity rose up to become a shining beacon of courage and hope that led the rest of the galaxy by example, the asari did nothing but prove that they were indeed life unworthy of life, as some would call it.

[Han Shot First]

The plot made the asari fall in a single fight.

 

Actually it was Earth that fell after a single battle.

 

The Asari managed a couple small victories in space before Thessia fell. And Illium pulled a Palaven.

[Livi14]

The Asari actually put up a lot more of a fight than the Alliance did, at least in space.

The Fall of Earth
The Reapers took Earth in a matter of hours. The Alliance knew the first wave would arrive from batarian space, but they were unprepared for the speed and scale of the attack.

The Fall of Thessia
The assault on Thessia did not go as smoothly as the Reapers' strikes against other races. While other species met the Reapers head-on, the asari resorted to dangerous hit-and-run tactics to harass their attackers. By engaging in guerilla strategies--blast a Reaper ship, then jumping to FTL where they could not be tracked--the asari forced the Reapers to remain on the defensive.