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[MisterJB]

There's no plausable explanation for organisation that has only been in existance  for a whopping 35 earh years, with only half a dozen sizable colonies to be have a more powerfull military than an union that has been going on for many centuries and that has spread throughout the galaxy. The Salarian military is small relative to the total size of their union, just as how the Alliance is small relative to the size of all of Humanity. Unfortunantly for the Alliance, by every meaningfull metric, in absolute numbers the Salarians are further than Humanity, Whether it's technology, colonies, weaponry, culture, population, etc.  

 

Not necessarely true. For instance, Sur'Kesh has a population of 10 billion whereas Earth has a population of 11 billion.

And how do you quantify culture or technology in absolute numbers?

 

You may have a point in claiming that, realistically, the 35 years old Alliance could never compete with species that have extablished as galactic powers for thousands of years but that, plain and simple, not what the lore tells us.

Humans are not ants trying to compete with giants. We are the equal of any Council species and above many, much older species. We could crush anyone who is not on the Council without barely noticing we did it.

We brough innovation to stagnation.
 

[MisterJB]

The oldest, most powerful living creature in the galaxy, Harbinger, was personally leading the assault on Earth.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Did you know that during the Battle of Illium that the Asari rather than attacking the nearly invulnerable capital ships, used fission weapons on the reaper troop transports while they were in space thus depriving the reapers of ground troops needed for a successful invasion? This forced the reapers to withdraw to other worlds to gather needed ground forces, delaying the invasion until about when the Crucible was deployed.

 

Thessia: The Asari held out with the hit and run tactics until the reapers decided to ignore the fleet and finally land on the planet.

 

Nevos: This world was never invaded. There is no "pre-invasion" population listed nor any write-up of any reaper invasion.

 

Cyone: This world was where the Asari handed the Krogan a defeat during the Krogan Rebellions. During the Reaper War, joint Asari and Alliance forces repelled Reaper forces.

 

Earth: Seeing there was little hope of stopping the reapers, Admiral Hackett withdrew and saved most of the fleet.

[TheRemcoEh]

The oldest, most powerful living creature in the galaxy, Harbinger, was personally leading the assault on Earth.

 

Most Powerful? 

 

Hellllow, what about leviathan?

[TeffexPope]

That's because they were all women.

 

*runs away*

You asari fight like a bunch of women!

[The Elder King]

you don't think they've heard claims of alien invaders a thousand times before shepard was even born? What, did all of the hundreds or thousands of crazy people with their tin foil theories suddenly keep silent as soon as they discovered that there are indeed more than one sole species of life in the galaxy and that they couldn't be under imminent danger of harvesting from the 99% of uncharted space?

Yeah, it's Not like They have evidence of a giant warship Which decimated the Citadel fleet and the Alliance fleet. No, that was clearly a geth ship.

[Ahriman]

Yeah, it's Not like They have evidence of a giant warship Which decimated the Citadel fleet and the Alliance fleet. No, that was clearly a geth ship.

Don't make them more stupid than they are, Sovereign was classified as reaper in Citadel archives.

[KaiserShep]

Yet those parasites still did quite miserably even against the lesser amount of Reapers sent after them, despite their innate biotic abilities and all the numerous other advantages the Protheans granted them. Where humanity rose up to become a shining beacon of courage and hope that led the rest of the galaxy by example, the asari did nothing but prove that they were indeed life unworthy of life, as some would call it.

 

The reapers eventually started bombarding them from orbit after giving up on trying to defend against their hit-and-runs. 

[mickey111]

Yeah, it's Not like They have evidence of a giant warship Which decimated the Citadel fleet and the Alliance fleet. No, that was clearly a geth ship.

 

geth have giant war ships too. they also go through long periods of isolation, handy when you want to build secret weapons.

 

But yeah. mythical godlike ships are far more likely. yep.

[CrutchCricket]

Everyone is stupid. No exceptions.
 
Seriously, there is not a single organization or identifiable individual that doesn't have its own idiot ball. Including the Reapers.
 

Actually, the asari held a better fight than the humans did against the reapers. Both Thessia and Illium were better defended, and the reapers had a harder time deploying ground troops, due to the fact that a race primarily comprised of biotics makes the population more difficult to control and overwhelm.

Yeah, because they weren't the first (or second) to be blindsided.
 
Agreed about the ground troops though.
 

We have stealth, they don't.

Wat?
 

well that's a great opinion, but the asari failed to hold off the first reaper attack just as the humans did. the story clearly wants us to think the asari are bad at war.

"Have the asari ever actually won a war?"
 

geth have giant war ships too. they also go through long periods of isolation, handy when you want to build secret weapons.

But yeah. mythical godlike ships are far more likely. yep.

Show me a geth warship that looks like Sovereign, or has any of the same capabilities.

[Quarian Master Race]

geth have giant war ships too. they also go through long periods of isolation, handy when you want to build secret weapons.

 

But yeah. mythical godlike ships are far more likely. yep.

 

^^

Don't make them more stupid than they are, Sovereign was classified as reaper in Citadel archives.

My sides are in orbit. How is it possible to be so delusional? The same councilors also admit the existence of the Reapers in ME1 before "ah yes, Reapers".

Good thing they can be killed off, not that their replacements are much better.

[TeffexPope]

^^

My sides are in orbit. How is it possible to be so delusional? The same councilors also admit the existence of the Reapers in ME1 before "ah yes, Reapers".

Good thing they can be killed off, not that their replacements are much better.

Guessing you didn't play The Citadel DLC.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Show me a geth warship that looks like Sovereign, or has any of the same capabilities.

Well, the Geth Dreadnought in ME3 had firepower on par with that of the Reapers, though that was because the Geth were building it to fight the Reapers. 

[The Elder King]

Don't make them more stupid than they are, Sovereign was classified as reaper in Citadel archives.

That's making things worse. Also, They still liked to everyone else without preparinG contermeasures (well, except possibly the Ark...).

geth have giant war ships too. they also go through long periods of isolation, handy when you want to build secret weapons.
 
But yeah. mythical godlike ships are far more likely. yep.

Geth warships Are neither as big or as poweful as Sovereign. Which was clearly shown in ME to the Council.
Also, the very man Who saved the Citadel and investigated Saren told this, so I'd give him more credency.
Also, said Ahriman pointed out, Regardless of What They said to Shepard They did believe it was a Reaper. And yet They did nothing.

[Han Shot First]

Everyone is stupid. No exceptions.
 
Seriously, there is not a single organization or identifiable individual that doesn't have its own idiot ball. Including the Reapers.

 

That was one of my biggest gripes with the series. It obviously takes an extremely cynical view of politicians, which is fine...but I think they went way overboard. Nearly every politician you meet in the series, regardless of species, is either an incompetent moron or an evil ******. Sure, those exist in the real world too. But occasionally you also get a Lincoln or a Churchill.

[Ahriman]

^^

My sides are in orbit. How is it possible to be so delusional? The same councilors also admit the existence of the Reapers in ME1 before "ah yes, Reapers".

Good thing they can be killed off, not that their replacements are much better.

Excuse me? How seeing actual Council's records on Sovereign is delusional?

[Quarian Master Race]

Guessing you didn't play The Citadel DLC.

I have. I was answering the first post with the second one. "Ah yes, Reapers" is probably the single greatest moment of stupid in the entire series given the circumstances. Not even the Councilors really think that Sovereign was a geth ship

[The Elder King]

Well, the Geth Dreadnought in ME3 had firepower on par with that of the Reapers, though that was because the Geth were building it to fight the Reapers.

It wasn't something the Councilknew Though.

[Quarian Master Race]

Excuse me? How seeing actual Council's records on Sovereign is delusional?

It's not. I was agreeing with you, and using your excellent post to respond to someone else's. Thought the like would make that apparent.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That was one of my biggest gripes with the series. It obviously takes an extremely cynical view of politicians, which is fine...but I think they went way overboard. Nearly every politician you meet in the series, regardless of species, is either an incompetent moron or an evil ******. Sure, those exist in the real world too. But occasionally you also get a Lincoln or a Churchill.

Primarch Victus was a good leader. He was competent and not evil. 

 

It wasn't something the Councilknew Though.

I know. And I agree there is no way they can confuse them.

 

I was just pointing out that the Geth did have ships, or a ship, that was on par with a Reaper in terms of firepower. The Geth Dreadnought was the most powerful ship our cycle made, but never got to be used to its full potential. It's the Bismark or Yamato of spaceships. 

[CrutchCricket]

Well, the Geth Dreadnought in ME3 had firepower on par with that of the Reapers, though that was because the Geth were building it to fight the Reapers. 

On par does not mean using the same weaponry or aesthetic. Tali comments that dragon's teeth origins being linked to geth "never made sense" to her. Frankly I'm surprised every quarian isn't scratching their heads at how people could think Sovereign was geth.

 

Primarch Victus was a good leader. He was competent and not evil.

Primarch Victus was previously General Victus, a military man. Though that distinction may be meaningless when discussing Turians.

 

Udina's predecessor (in the first ME book by Drew Karpyshyn) was alright, if I recall.

[Ahriman]

That's making things worse. Also, They still liked to everyone else without preparinG contermeasures (well, except possibly the Ark...). 

Well, I'd expect turians to re-arm their fleet with Thanix weapon, considering they were designers of it, but somehow this part of lore was carried away somewhere.

Apart from that I don't know how much you can do. Building massive planetary AA against "geth" threat would be a little suspicious, not speaking that these will most likely be destroyed the second they open fire.

Council also got hands on indoctrination detection technology from Ilos, but it was never mentioned as well.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Well, I'd expect turians to re-arm their fleet with Thanix weapon, considering they were designers of it, but somehow this part of lore was carried away somewhere.

Apart from that I don't know how much you can do. Building massive planetary AA against "geth" threat would be a little suspicious, not speaking that these will most likely be destroyed the second they open fire.

Council also got hands on indoctrination detection technology from Ilos, but it was never mentioned as well.

 

The Salarians equipped their entire fleet with Thanix cannons.

[Quarian Master Race]

On par does not mean using the same weaponry or aesthetic. Tali comments that dragon's teeth origins being linked to geth "never made sense" to her. Frankly I'm surprised every quarian isn't scratching their heads at how people could think Sovereign was geth.

You can't ask their opinions on that specific question, but the quarians never question the existence of the Reapers and agree to the need to fight them. The geth don't question it either (for obvious reasons), and neither do the rachni or krogan. Problem is, none of those species actually has any clout with the idiots up on the Presidium, so their opinions don't matter any more than Shep or Anderson's.

[Ahriman]

The Salarians equipped their entire fleet with Thanix cannons.

Hmm, totally missed this part. Just re-watched final battle - the only thanix cannon is on Normandy, I don't know what to believe.