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[Frocharocha]

I tried to search around on how big is the High Dragon races. And for my surprise i couldn't find a subject on these animals size (the codex could kinda explore those aspects). I personally believe that the fully mature dragons we see in the games are around 18 meters ( 59 feet) long and 4-6 meters tall (13- 19.6 feet).

 

By the comparassions i have seen, they are around the same sime as a mosasaurus. Only taller because of the neck.

 

Well, anyway they are pretty big. But i don't have accurate refences.

[caradoc2000]

The real dilemma is: how do they fly?

 

Considering the heaviest flying animal in real life is quite small.

[Sunnie]

The real dilemma is: how do they fly?

 

Considering the heaviest flying animal in real life is quite small.

They don't call it "fantasy" for no reason!

[andy6915]

They don't call it "fantasy" for no reason!

 

That really is the answer. High dragons actually are mages, in a way. They have access to magic, and this is why merely drinking their blood gives you magical abilities like those a reaver gets. Darkspawn are the same way, the blight in their blood gives them access to magic despite not being connected to the fade. I also suspect a dragon's elemental breath is also a form of magic. So when you think about all that, I suspect their ability to fly is also a magical ability that they use on an instinctual level.

 

In short, don't think it's unrealistic that they can fly because of their size when we know for a fact that dragons are magical creatures in DA.

[Magdalena11]

I'd agree with your size estimate, OP, but it depends on whether or not the tail is counted.  That would make a flying dragon seem larger.  As for how well they fly?  I imagine most glide like raptors, bats, and flying squirrels.  Even ones that are mostly flightless are probably capable of limited flight, like a turkey is.

[nightscrawl]

You could probably get a rough estimate if you use a male human, figure he is about 6 feet or so, and then take screenshots of a male human fighting a high dragon (preferably in all three games), and come up with an average that way. With this method you would want to measure from ground to shoulder height, and also from snout to tail tip for full length.

[andy6915]

I tried to search around on how big is the High Dragon races. And for my surprise i couldn't find a subject on these animals size (the codex could kinda explore those aspects). I personally believe that the fully mature dragons we see in the games are around 18 meters ( 59 feet) long and 4-6 meters tall (13- 19.6 feet).

 

Well, anyway they are pretty big. But i don't have accurate refences.

 

Also, about your estimates: I think they're too low. High dragons definitely seem to be larger than 50 feet long and 19 feet tall.

[caradoc2000]

In short, don't think it's unrealistic that they can fly because of their size when we know for a fact that dragons are magical creatures in DA.

At least they have bigger wings than Puff the Magic Dragon

[andy6915]

At least they have bigger wings than Puff the Magic Dragon

 

There was a stupid song in the movie of that. And then someone took that song and added it to Neon Genesis Evangelion, because why not?

 

 

 

 

 

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Oh, that was Pete the dragon. Wrong dragon then... The video stays, I want people to see it .

[Basement Cat]

At least they have bigger wings than Puff the Magic Dragon

That's not Puff! That's Elliot!

 

This is Puff. He doesn't have wings at all...

[andy6915]

That's not Puff! That's Elliot!

 

This is Puff. He doesn't have wings at all...

 

Oh, so I did get the right dragon!

[caradoc2000]

That's not Puff! That's Elliot!

Those were intended as examples of the myriad dragons with ridiculously small wings. My personal favorite is Deathspank's dragon

[Frocharocha]

I'd agree with your size estimate, OP, but it depends on whether or not the tail is counted.  That would make a flying dragon seem larger.  As for how well they fly?  I imagine most glide like raptors, bats, and flying squirrels.  Even ones that are mostly flightless are probably capable of limited flight, like a turkey is.

 

They could possibly fly if Thedas gravity was weaker and if they had much more oxygen in the athmosphere, But the best explanation is always magic. The biggest flying animal was Quetzalcoatlu , which was a kind of pterosaur bigger than the T-rex and as tall as a giraffe (cientists don't know how the hell this thing flew.) . So it's possible.

[Joe25]

I would say they are the size of your average two story townhouse.

[Andromelek]

I don't even know how tall the characters are, but even among High Dragons, some specimens are bigger than others, the biggest we've seen are Guardian of Mythal and Yavana's High Dragon.

Guardian of Mythal's hind legs are almost twice bigger than a male Inquisitor Adaar, so she is about 4-5 meters tall.

Yavana is about a quarter of head smaller than Alistair, I suppose he is 1.85 to 1.95 meters, and the Dragon seems to be able of eat someone twice bigger than Yavana with a bite, her head might be around 3 meters long, yup, those two might be as big as a big pliosaur, about 18-21 meters length, and yes, it has no sense they can fly, given their size and the durability of their bones (stronger than any metal.) but come on, it's a video game, and even in real life, bees shouldn't be able to fly and yet they do.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Yeah, Quetzalcoatlus pterosaurs were big, but they've got nothing on DA dragons. They were mostly wing and neck unlike the DA dragons which have quite substantial bodies, and as Frocharocha says, scientists are still trying to figure out how exactly they flew...

 

Wikipedia has some interesting pictures...

 

So yeah, given the large amount of bulk in their bodies, and those huge earth-shaking booms they make when stamping their feet suggest that there is a LOT of mass there, if you want to explain dragon flight with real-world physics, it's not going to work. As has been said, you need to invoke magic.

 

 

 

bees shouldn't be able to fly and yet they do.

That's actually not true. It's based on an anecdote about a back-of-the-envelope calculation by an aerodynamicist which didn't take into account all the processes involved. The way that they fly is actually well understood.

[MadMadCarl]

Quetzalcoatlus is bigger than Ornitocheirus?? Ithought biggest pterosaur was ornito.

 

And about the dragons, surely there is a way that they could fly, other tnan magic I mean, maybe the diference on their seize is related to their gender? Hakkon was a bit larger than the ones in the main story. 

[Frocharocha]

Yeah, Quetzalcoatlus pterosaurs were big, but they've got nothing on DA dragons. They were mostly wing and neck unlike the DA dragons which have quite substantial bodies, and as Frocharocha says, scientists are still trying to figure out how exactly they flew...

 

Wikipedia has some interesting pictures...

 

So yeah, given the large amount of bulk in their bodies, and those huge earth-shaking booms they make when stamping their feet suggest that there is a LOT of mass there, if you want to explain dragon flight with real-world physics, it's not going to work. As has been said, you need to invoke magic.

 

 

 

That's actually not true. It's based on an anecdote about a back-of-the-envelope calculation by an aerodynamicist which didn't take into account all the processes involved. The way that they fly is actually well understood.

 

Dragons in real life could fly if their bone density was much lower than other animals. This could make them bigger, but they would still have problems, like being unable to sustain a lot of damage and with Earth athmosphere, with much more oxygen back then, larger animals could exist, altought the existence of Dragons is unlikely.

 

Dragons is DA: Universe are most obvious from magical origin like are the ones from Game of Thrones.

 

I don't even know how tall the characters are, but even among High Dragons, some specimens are bigger than others, the biggest we've seen are Guardian of Mythal and Yavana's High Dragon.

 

Guardian of Mythal's hind legs are almost twice bigger than a male Inquisitor Adaar, so she is about 4-5 meters tall.

 

Yavana is about a quarter of head smaller than Alistair, I suppose he is 1.85 to 1.95 meters, and the Dragon seems to be able of eat someone twice bigger than Yavana with a bite, her head might be around 3 meters long, yup, those two might be as big as a big pliosaur, about 18-21 meters length, and yes, it has no sense they can fly, given their size and the durability of their bones (stronger than any metal.) but come on, it's a video game, and even in real life, bees shouldn't be able to fly and yet they do.

Someone could try to get an etimated size using the avarage human weight. There are a lot of good pics from High Dragons in comparassion to player character's around.

[Andromelek]

Quetzalcoatlus is bigger than Ornitocheirus?? Ithought biggest pterosaur was ornito.

 

And about the dragons, surely there is a way that they could fly, other tnan magic I mean, maybe the diference on their seize is related to their gender? Hakkon was a bit larger than the ones in the main story. 

That was a mistake from BBC´s Walking With Dinosaurs, they confused Orinitocheirus with another pterosaur, and yet it was smaller than Quetzalcoatlus.

 

 

And, no, all the High Dragons are females, even Hakkon (God is male but his vessel is a female, second strike, spirits!) so here is another disturbing fact: The males of  High Dragons are actually the little things without wings seen in the Temple of Sacred Ashes, they are barely bigger than rhe chicks, so... Just how the hell can they breed? 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone could try to get an etimated size using the avarage human weight. There are a lot of good pics from High Dragons in comparassion to player character's around.

 

What I said, Adaar can't even reach the Guardian's chest.

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And this is Yavana's High Dragon, I couldn't find the full picture, but her head actually reach Yavana's feet. If we could get an estimate of the Witch's height, we would find out how big the Dragon's head is.

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[andy6915]

And, no, all the High Dragons are females, even Hakkon (God is male but his vessel is a female, second strike, spirits!) so here is another disturbing fact: The males of  High Dragons are actually the little things without wings seen in the Temple of Sacred Ashes, they are barely bigger than rhe chicks, so... Just how the hell can they breed?

 

There are actual animals in the real world that have a size difference that is that significant between males and females. Evolution can be weird.

 

Now you know what is really weird? The Old Gods, the creatures that were obviously high dragons... Were male. And archdemons aren't darkspawn or dragons, weapons and runes that do extra damage to either don't do any extra damage to archdemons. So they're male high dragons that aren't actually classified as either blighted creatures or dragons. Something about that scares the hell out of me.

[Andromelek]

There are actual animals in the real world that have a size difference that is that significant between males and females. Evolution can be weird.
 
Now you know what is really weird? The Old Gods, the creatures that were obviously high dragons... Were male. And archdemons aren't darkspawn or dragons, weapons and runes that do extra damage to either don't do any extra damage to archdemons. So they're male high dragons that aren't actually classified as either blighted creatures or dragons. Something about that scares the hell out of me.

Beside the anglerfish, I can't remember any other animal with that gender size difference that is not a bug.

Now, I'm not sure of the Old Gods being male High Dragons, both the Architect and Corypheus had tainted Dragons at their command, the Red Lyrium is stronger than the common taint so, Corypheus' Dragon had to be stronger than a real Archdemon and it wasn't. We also know that there is another kind of Dragons, the "Great Dragons", my guess is that the OG are male Great Dragons, the only female among them is Razikale and we have not seen her, until see her, I will take it as that she's bigger than the others.

[Frocharocha]

There are actual animals in the real world that have a size difference that is that significant between males and females. Evolution can be weird.

 

Now you know what is really weird? The Old Gods, the creatures that were obviously high dragons... Were male. And archdemons aren't darkspawn or dragons, weapons and runes that do extra damage to either don't do any extra damage to archdemons. So they're male high dragons that aren't actually classified as either blighted creatures or dragons. Something about that scares the hell out of me.

 

Femeale High Dragons are that big probably to protect their nests and mothers are more protective of their own children. Males would be useless to protect it.

 

Aren't some archdemons mages? After the Jaws of Hakkon, i do think that Archdemons are corrupted spirits of the gods trapped inside the bodies of High Dragons.

 

Either way, some dragons are bigger. Like Flemeth in DA: II.

[YourFunnyUncle]

 

Dragons in real life could fly if their bone density was much lower than other animals. This could make them bigger, but they would still have problems, like being unable to sustain a lot of damage and with Earth athmosphere, with much more oxygen back then, larger animals could exist, altought the existence of Dragons is unlikely.

 

Given how low the density of bird bones already is, they'd have to be amazingly super light-weight, and then how would they be strong enough at that size? Basically I'm pretty sure that their bones would need to be made of something other than bone.

[Serelir]

And, no, all the High Dragons are females, even Hakkon (God is male but his vessel is a female, second strike, spirits!) so here is another disturbing fact: The males of  High Dragons are actually the little things without wings seen in the Temple of Sacred Ashes, they are barely bigger than rhe chicks, so... Just how the hell can they breed? 

 

Like Anglerfish maybe? 

 

[Scofield]

BIG man

 

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HUGE man