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[Dobbysaurus]

I don't like Turkey.

[metatheurgist]

Well, It's Turkey. So, It's not really surprising. Still Doesn't make it any less disturbing.

Sadly, Turkey used to be more progressive than that. 
 

Historically, nations on Turkey's path have incrementally moved in that direction, so I'm actually inclined to believe it is significantly more likely than not.

They've actually been inching backwards over the years.

[SwobyJ]

Sadly, Turkey used to be more progressive than that. 
 

They've actually been inching backwards over the years.

 

Yeah there is that. I guess I am just hopeful.

[Inquisitor Recon]

I don't like Turkey.

Respect the robot.

 

Also they've got a nice new main battle tank.

[Garryydde]

Respect the robot.

Fear the T-Rex.

[Voxr]

Respect the robot.

 

 

 

I never got a chance to respect the robot. It was like a digital Hindenburg...mods too quick.

 

So I guess: RESPECT THE ROBOT!!

[AventuroLegendary]

I don't like Turkey.

 

Chicken master race

[Voxr]

Chicken master race

Wrong. Duck master race.

[AventuroLegendary]

Wrong. Duck master race.

 

Heh, frkin casul.

[Voxr]

Heh, frkin casul.

Spoiler

[AventuroLegendary]

Spoiler

 

Oh dear god that hidden quote image.

 

So much for sleep.

 

EDIT: Wait, no it was just an edit.

 

Had me there for a sec.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Wrong. Duck master race.

 

Falcon master race.

 

In 2005, Ken Franklin recorded a falcon stooping at a top speed of 389 km/h (242 mph).

[Treacherous J Slither]

Turkey i like. Though sometimes it can be a little.....dry.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Wrong. Duck master race.

 

 

Hard to imagine anyone telling him otherwise.

[Addai]

Turkish authorities have other reasons to disperse large gatherings of people besides homophobia. Pride parades have been co-opted by the Gezi protest movement which provoked a lot harsher crackdowns than water cannons.

 

Turkey has some fairly permissive laws regarding sexuality, compared to the US, and have been under a lot of scrutiny from the EU for human rights policy, so it's not likely the motivation here was homophobia.

[SwobyJ]

Turkish authorities have other reasons to disperse large gatherings of people besides homophobia. Pride parades have been co-opted by the Gezi protest movement which provoked a lot harsher crackdowns than water cannons.

 

Turkey has some fairly permissive laws regarding sexuality, compared to the US, and have been under a lot of scrutiny from the EU for human rights policy, so it's not likely the motivation here was homophobia.

 

"Reasons"

 

I thought it was already understood that LGBT stood alongside the Gezi movement. It didn't really change things for me. Yes, I see the reasoning. I just think it illustrates the failure in the Turkish state to have this reasoning.

 

http://www.al-monito...lgbt-gezi.html#

 

"Permissive" - LGBT allowed to be LGBT, have sex. That's it. In terms of law, that's only the most basic tolerance. However, there have been more recent attempts at more than this, which I applaud and hope continue. I don't know what you see here to be 'permissive compared to the US' (as a nation). Even before the recent marriage equality ruling, USA had far more protections and affirmations of the rights of LGBT. That some states try to be repressive still hasn't changed that the nation itself has been increasingly acted pro-LGBT since the 90s, and especially mid-00s.

 

What I do agree with is that the prime motivation behind these reactions to Pride wasn't homophobia - it is a good point to bring up the Gezi movement - but I also think that homophobia and lack of state acknowledgement of LGBT rights are significant parts of why this course of action is permitted and considered acceptable.

[Addai]

 

 I don't know what you see here to be 'permissive compared to the US' (as a nation). 

For instance, legal prostitution.

[SwobyJ]

For instance, legal prostitution.

 

Alright, thanks. That isn't at all exclusive to LGBT, but it does involve sexuality.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Hasn't gay pride ended? Yet I'm still seeing all these stupid articles about it and so many sites with the gay flag. Alright already, we get it, you like willies and bum holes. I mean Jesus, how long does this thing go on for? Western media really has had a field day with this. 
 
I've got to agree with Beerfish: "Once there are no more parades we will know that equality and tolerance have been reached." "Gay pride" isn't anything but a exclusive festival that has gays distant themselves from everyone else and then complain that they're seen as a subculture. Is it any wonder guys?

[SwobyJ]

Hasn't gay pride ended? Yet I'm still seeing all these stupid articles about it and so many sites with the gay flag. Alright already, we get it, you like willies and bum holes. I mean Jesus, how long does this thing go on for? Western media really has had a field day with this. 
 
I've got to agree with Beerfish: "Once there are no more parades we will know that equality and tolerance have been reached." "Gay pride" isn't anything but a exclusive festival that has gays distant themselves from everyone else and then complain that they're seen as a subculture. Is it any wonder guys?

 

While here in Canada most of my straight friends have either attended Pride and enjoyed the hell out of it or expressed positive messages about it, in positivity and solidarity with people like me.

 

Maybe its different here, or in my specific circles (though my circles range from the nerdiest nerds to the broest bros, the most square to the most wild, whatever).

 

Pride isn't on a specific day around the world. There's different dates for different nations/cities. It is generally spread out through summer, and schedules based on stuff like local laws, economic planning, political impact (in the nations where it is more of a political message than a commercial party; I'm talking about nations that still have execution/imprisonment laws for homosexuals), etc.

 

The more acceptance in a culture towards LGBT, the more Pride turns from a Protest, to a March, to a Parade, to a Party. As it goes down this transition, it involves more and more non-LGBT people, as these non-LGBT people still quality as LGBTQ*A* ('A' can mean a few things, but it often means including 'Allies'). It becomes more and more of a sex positive celebration which welcomes all sorts of heterosexuality as long as it is understood that this is the specific time of the year to recognize and appreciate the activism and difficulties undertaken to get to this point, and party it up about the current state of things (again, as the culture gets more accepting).

 

Again, most of my straight friends, including the most brobrobro, either have attended Pride in my city or positively express about it in conversations with others. They're not gay, but they're (IMO) open minded to appreciate that there is a continued effort to encourage society to accept gays just in case they ever discover that they're not 100% straight, for example. And again, maybe its just my circles, but I know that I really appreciate having these men and women as my friends.

[Inquisitor Recon]

While here in Canada most of my straight friends have either attended Pride and enjoyed the hell out of it

Wow, Canada must be a really boring place for that to be fun for straight people.

 

"What you want to do today, eh? Well at aboot 12 there is a gay parade through town, or we can just hit that moose with a hockey stick, eh?"

[SwobyJ]

Wow, Canada must be a really boring place for that to be fun for straight people.

 

"What you want to do today, eh? Well at aboot 12 there is a gay parade through town, or we can just hit that moose with a hockey stick, eh?"

 

Well this summer is also filled with stuff like music festivals, beach parties, tourism, all sorts of stuff.

 

Pride taking up, for most people, just like 1 day of their life, isn't a big deal, but a nice experience and kind gesture.

 

I admit my city (Ottawa) is relatively really friggin boring though. I will probably move to either Toronto or Montreal in time.

 

Wait, scratch all this, we don't have summer, we just have periods of less snow. Because Canada is all arctic. Never come here.

[SwobyJ]

The parades won't stop even when we "reach equality" (lol).

I mean that.

If that ever happens, the whole world will be engulfed by an endless gay pride parade.

Good.

 

Seriously though, I just see things gradually transforming into a sex-positive (and wildly ranging in age-appropriate events and days, Montreal already does this I recall) sexuality-oriented festival. It isn't there yet, but in the most liberal areas I know of, its much less about 'marching for gay pride' as it is about 'lets come together to affirm and communicate and celebrate the positive diversity of relationships, romantic and sexual, we can have'. Its just still called 'Pride' (no 'March', no 'Parade', etc, just 'Pride').

 

It won't be nearly the nightmare some keep claiming it is/will be. Most of the time its just hanging out, having fun, and expressing our okayness with people not being 100% heterosexual in a specific way.

[Sigma Tauri]

I've got to agree with Beerfish: "Once there are no more parades we will know that equality and tolerance have been reached." "Gay pride" isn't anything but a exclusive festival that has gays distant themselves from everyone else and then complain that they're seen as a subculture. Is it any wonder guys?

 

There's no equality even in the gay world. It's filled with racism, exclusivity, and narcissism.