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[Sylvius the Mad]

Your use of the term 'resources' is vague

Time spent by developers can be applied to different types of content

Combat designers and cinematic designers and writers are all very different people with relevantly dissimilar skillsets.

[In Exile]

I personally know nothing about game development, however I am familiar with the business world.

Simplified, resources requiring 'man' hours are allocated to different projects, using up budget space. This principle applies to everything business related. I have no reason to believe this principle is any different for any company working on a consumer product, like a video game.

I want that budget space to be re-allocated to the action / exploration portion of this game. Are there people out there who want more romance material in these games, absolutely .. I'm just not one of them.

You're not familiar enough with business, apparently. You can't just shift talent mid production without expense. Right now Bioware has writers and cinematic developers who development romance content. If you want to transfer that investment - which again assumes that it's actually more profitable to invest in more of the same gameplay than romances - you'd need to hire new people. Even if you did it at the start of production you'd have to realign your employee base by hiriing mode gameplay and level designers.

Budget is not some mystical notion you can just shift between different parts of a product on a whim. It is tied with actual expenses and most often to human resources.

What I'm telling you is that what you want is (1) not clearly more profitable in the first place and (2) even if it were profitable not easy to do mid production.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Now you're an internet toughguy. You should have stayed a troll. It's better.

 

 

 Elcor. Not a tough guy. Just... big. You know the Elcor, right?

[Big Bad]

By the salty goodness of Tali's sweat and the power of Liara's eternal love, I hereby declare this thread to be monstrous, unconstitutional and a grievous affront to all right-thinking citizens of the galaxy!

 

As penance, I sentence the OP and all his/her supporters to watch the Femshep-Garrus ME3 goodbye scene for 12 hours straight. 

 

 

May whatever gods you believe in have mercy on your tiny, withered souls. 

[daveliam]

I can understand wanting no romances in the game because you, personally, don't play them.  However, removing optional content because it's of no (well, limited since you did do romances in 2/3 of the original trilogy games) personal interest to you doesn't seem like a strong model.  Yes, you can argue that the removal of romance content will allow them to offer more options within the "action content" area that you are interested in.  I'm not convinced. 

 

I tend to prefer a 'breadth over depth' approach when it comes to stuff like this.  Having no romance content but more options within action content will narrow the audience for the game, which I don't think is the right move for Bioware.  They have a strong niche market right now.  Many developers create action games without romance content.  Very few create action games with romance content and (while it's not perfect) few do it better than Bioware.  I think they should continue to offer it, especially in series that already have it.  If they created a new IP and decided to never offer it, I'd probably be okay with it.  But I'd rather not see them remove it because a portion of the playerbase would rather have it purged than just choose to avoid the optional content.

 

Also, I'm so sick of the "if you play romance content then you must not be able to get a date in real life, hur hur <mouthbreath>" stuff.

[GreyWarden_Smith]

Obsidian didn't have any romance in Pillars of Eternity after previously being a company that did romances in their game but I feel that Bioware are kinda known for their romances that being said as much as i enjoy the romance if the next game doesn't have any romances it's not going to deter me from buying the game. 

[CrutchCricket]

After seeing the moronic discussions that have gone on here since E3, I would have no problem with romances being removed, if only to purge the fanbase of it's more toxic elements. 

I'd rather purge people who use the word "toxic" in this context.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I'd rather purge people who use the word "toxic" in this context.

Or misuse apostrophes.

[Deebo305]

No. No, you're not.

You know darned well that the vast majority of the fanbase is expecting the romances. You also know darned well that leaving them out would actually result in lost sales. I can't think of anything they could add to the game that would counteract the amount of negative press that would be generated by their removal.

It would actually be worse for BioWare's bottom line than the ending of ME3 was.

Thats...some pretty sad logic honestly

If the game hinges on romance options to generatesales then thats pretty sad. Plenty of games do well without it, if you believe a Bioware game with no romances would instantly fail because no virtual snuggling then why bother with the story at all

People complain that the ME3 ending had no closure and should hav been "happy", I still disagree on that and have been satisfied since the EC ending. Look at DA:I ending, that was the sappiest thing I've ever seen and I'd prefer to NEVER see another like it. Staring off into the sunset

In any case, Max's request is as valid as any dozen current and future romance threads. He wants more action and story and I'm all for it, game doesn't need to have a mini dating sim to be good

[MaxCrushmore]

Now you're just making me agree with the OP suddenly...

 

Does that make you a troll or a drooling idiot? Since those were the two option you presented in your OP

[The Arbiter]

I'm serious.

I play video games for the action and story development related to said action. I do not need romance options; I would rather spend that time going for real life romance.

Please remove all potential romance and add extra action related story content in it's place.

The protagonist in the ME series is trying to save sentient life from extinction, do they really need to take nookie breaks? I mean, c'mon .. have some focus you overly sexualized hoss. Instead of that sex break, feel free to apply yourself and save an extra planet worth of sentient beings ..
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That is all

My first play through was Jane Shepard without any romace althrought the Trilogy. She felt like a real commander for me and the game started to focus more on her. My second playthrough is John Shep and romanced Tali, I like Tali up to the end of 3. But I must admit my first playthrough as Jane felt more REAL and authentic... Garrus fell for Tali in my Jane playthrough and during the beam run.... Garrus was hit and he told Jane, "I am not leaving, we are in this together" that felt so hard.... then the Star Brat appeared and killed the mood.

I agree and approve no romance... it's better to sacrifice myself than to see others cry or suffer because of me

[MaxCrushmore]

Also, I'm so sick of the "if you play romance content then you must not be able to get a date in real life, hur hur <mouthbreath>" stuff.

 

This thought was never considered or intended by my comment in the OP. You are reading too much into this to arrive at that conclusion.

[FKA_Servo]

Thats...some pretty sad logic honestly

If the game hinges on romance options to generatesales then thats pretty sad. Plenty of games do well without it, if you believe a Bioware game with no romances would instantly fail because no virtual snuggling then why bother with the story at all

People complain that the ME3 ending had no closure and should hav been "happy", I still disagree on that and have been satisfied since the EC ending. Look at DA:I ending, that was the sappiest thing I've ever seen and I'd prefer to NEVER see another like it. Staring off into the sunset

In any case, Max's request is as valid as any dozen current and future romance threads. He wants more action and story and I'm all for it, game doesn't need to have a mini dating sim to be good

 

It doesn't remotely hinge on them, but as you say in your next sentence, plenty of games do get by well without them. Most don't offer the option at all, so it's nice that Bioware does.

 

Denigrating people who like the romance content as looking for "dating sims" and "virtual snuggles" is getting pretty old, too. Most of us just like a dash of romance in our adventures, and being able to choose who provides that dash of romance is a fun way to further direct our character's personal story.

 

Posters more eloquent than I am have already elaborated on the why dropping romance content would not result in significantly more content elsewhere, so I would again just echo everyone else - either ignore the content, or pass on the game.

[MaxCrushmore]

You're not familiar enough with business, apparently. *snip.

 

Thanks for the in depth business description. I am aware of all those factors, as it would take an epic novel to cover all the different business angles involved here, I didn't bother.

 

My point was, at sometime in the past, a decision was made where the resources would be allocated and I would have preferred if they had been allocated without the romance portion. That is all I am implying.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Obsidian didn't have any romance in Pillars of Eternity after previously being a company that did romances in their game but I feel that Bioware are kinda known for their romances that being said as much as i enjoy the romance if the next game doesn't have any romances it's not going to deter me from buying the game. 

 

I honestly don't miss romances in PoE. Who would I flirt with anyway? The schizophrenic mage? The warrior who lost faith? The married ranger who misses her family? The tiny druid with a penchant for raw meat? Kana? The Grieving Mother?

The only one who expresses any interest in sex is Durance and ... *shudders* ... no, not an option, no way. Not ever.

That leaves Pallegina, who is pretty awesome all things considered. I definitely should try to flirt with her... once we're not distracted by all those soulless children. Kind of ruins the mood.

[CrutchCricket]

Or misuse apostrophes.

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[agonis]

Oh dear.

 

Questioning the necessity of romance always makes people go on killing spree.

 

Relax. Some like it. Some don´t.

 

Personally, I love romance in Bioware games. It´s fun.

[In Exile]

Thanks for the in depth business description. I am aware of all those factors, as it would take an epic novel to cover all the different business angles involved here, I didn't bother.

My point was, at sometime in the past, a decision was made where the resources would be allocated and I would have preferred if they had been allocated without the romance portion. That is all I am implying.

Well, sure. But saying "I want there to be no romance" is different from saying "the investment in romance should go elsewhere".

[MaxCrushmore]

Well, sure. But saying "I want there to be no romance" is different from saying "the investment in romance should go elsewhere".

 

Yes, but they are not exclusive concepts either. Between those two I would prefer the investment to go elsewhere

[Riven326]

By the salty goodness of Tali's sweat and the power of Liara's eternal love, I hereby declare this thread to be monstrous, unconstitutional and a grievous affront to all right-thinking citizens of the galaxy!

 

As penance, I sentence the OP and all his/her supporters to watch the Femshep-Garrus ME3 goodbye scene for 12 hours straight. 

 

 

May whatever gods you believe in have mercy on your tiny, withered souls. 

This guy wins the thread.

[agonis]

Yes, but they are not exclusive concepts either. Between those two I would prefer the investment to go elsewhere

 

You know what?

 

I take your romance. You get my action. Deal?

[Sylvius the Mad]

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You didn't. The guy you were quoting did.