Playing Shepard was quite an intimate affair. No this is not about romance options. And the Milky Way is what you perceive as Mass Effect universe. Taking that feeling to a new setting could mean it won't feel like Mass Effect.
I can see your point about leaving the Milky Way getting away from Mass Effect but not as playing as something other than Shepard. To me the ME universe was never really about Shepard, Shepard was just the conduit in which I experienced the universe.
Hey man, I love Shepard, it's my name. That said, I think there will be a new protagonist who will be bad ass as well. I think a lot of people's issues with the lack of Shep and Milky Way will go away when they play the new game, and get to know the new people and the new location. It's kinda like the True Detective series, and programmes where they replace the characters every series, where people are like "God, I want them to have more stories with X and X" until they get to spend time with the new people and then they realise that they're not so bad either
Either way, people will find something to wahwah about. It's daily business in these forums these days lol.
Agreed. To steal a line from Hawke you could give some people on the BSN gold and they'd complain it was heavy. Hell, if Bioware ever made a game where they paid you to own it, these same people would probably complain something like "Why didn't you give me more money, Biower!? Boycott!!"
I don't recall either, but apparently that's what people want. Thing is, though, there are plenty of pieces of fiction that take place in a galaxy other than the Milky Way and I'm not just talking about Star Wars. Star Wars, Stargate: Atlantis, Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda (which is set in three galaxies, IIRC) and the list goes on. I just don't see what the big deal is in a fictional setting that's not in our galaxy. It's not like our seeing another galaxy is the first time ever...
But still, we're going to Andromeda no matter how much people complain. So, to those people...
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You kind of answered your own question. With all these other stories exploring other galaxies, there are few that explore our own. Especially when it comes to roleplaying games. So it was a relatively unique experience, and now it is gone.
People are allowed to express their opinions on this choice of Bioware's. No need to be a jerk about it.
What's left to see? Roughly all of it.
There are about 300 billion stars in the Milky Way. The explored part of the relay network covers less than one percent of that. And we the player only saw a tiny fraction of that. (given even one percent is still 3 billion stars. Billion with a B. As in nine zeroes)
THrowing that all away is just plain wasteful. All the stories hinted at that now will never be told. All places left to explore that now we will never see. All this stuff which is, cosmically speaking in our own back yard.
Again, wasteful.
You kind of answered your own question. With all these other stories exploring other galaxies, there are few that explore our own. Especially when it comes to roleplaying games. So it was a relatively unique experience, and now it is gone.
People are allowed to express their opinions on this choice of Bioware's. No need to be a jerk about it.
Sorry if you think I'm being a jerk about it. I truly am. It's not my intention, believe me. And maybe I should have rephrased my previous statement as "I don't see what the big deal is in complaining about a fictional setting not in our galaxy."
But I think you'll find that 95% of science fiction (at least) is set in the Milky Way, if not on Earth or the Solar System. Hardly "few that explore our own" is it?
Also, and I truly apologise if you feel I'm still being a jerk about this, but you say that people are allowed to express their opinions. And you know what? You're absolutely right. This is mine.
I think it's just people being bitter about everything BW decides at this point. On one hand, people want more Shepard. On the other, people don't want endings canonized because apparently they all sucked donkey-balls. Then people wanna continue exploring the Milky Way, but unless BW sets the game so far in the future that even Synthesis could be manually achieved without the help of god-children (by which point I daresay there isn't much left to explore in the Milky Way anyways...), they'd have to canonize endings again.
They're obsessed because they're secretly reapers in real life! Sheeeeeeeeeepard, my Sheparrrrrrrrrrd..........
Well, remember that this doesn't apply to everyone complaining. Some of us really would prefer that Bio just canonize some ending (typically Destroy) and go with that.
But to canonise an ending - any ending - would open an entirely new can of worms.
Well, remember that this doesn't apply to everyone complaining. Some of us really would prefer that Bio just canonize some ending (typically Destroy) and go with that.
While it may not apply to everyone, BW should under all circumstances avoid doing anything of the kind as much as possible. Not to mention I'm sure they would love nothing more than to never have to deal with any BS regarding ME3's endings anymore for ME:A ever again.
That can of worms should just stay shut forever.
I like my Shepard. I would like to see her in another game. I don't want to leave the Milky Way, but I've accepted that the next game will take place in another galaxy with new characters. I am looking forward to hearing the explanation on how we get there. I wonder if there will be another Mass Effect game in the Milky Way
Sorry if you think I'm being a jerk about it. I truly am. It's not my intention, believe me. And maybe I should have rephrased my previous statement as "I don't see what the big deal is in complaining about a fictional setting not in our galaxy."
But I think you'll find that 95% of science fiction (at least) is set in the Milky Way, if not on Earth or the Solar System. Hardly "few that explore our own" is it?
Also, and I truly apologise if you feel I'm still being a jerk about this, but you say that people are allowed to express their opinions. And you know what? You're absolutely right. This is mine.
The vast majority of the fiction that takes place in the Milky either 1) Remains on Earth or within the Solar System like you said, or 2) Makes everything beyond the Solar System up. There are few franchises that at least tried to have a lot of real places of the Milky Way in it. Mass Effect used to be one of those, and one of the if not the only RPG, to do it. Now that is gone.
Yes, but it is common courtesy to not be demeaning to the people on the other side. Posting a "Deal With It" picture is not being courteous. Your apology is accepted.
But to canonise an ending - any ending - would open an entirely new can of worms.
I say, in Mass Effect, you should play as Shepard. Regardless of the when, the where and the how.
That's what I would do with the game. And it would make sense.
Because reasons.
The vast majority of the fiction that takes place in the Milky either 1) Remains on Earth or within the Solar System like you said, or 2) Makes everything beyond the Solar System up. There are few franchises that at least tried to have a lot of real places of the Milky Way in it. Mass Effect used to be one of those, and one of the if not the only RPG, to do it. Now that is gone.
Yes, but it is common courtesy to not be demeaning to the people on the other side. Posting a "Deal With It" picture is not being courteous. Your apology is accepted.
Of course, but you need to understand that the vast majority of science fiction fans aren't astronomers, and likely couldn't care less about this nebula or that gas giant or whatever. Most likely, they - like me - would care more about the fiction than the science, care more about seeing strange new civilisations than seeing the Crab Nebula. To steal a line from Roddenberry: people want "to boldly go where no man has gone before." (Somewhat dated with all the science fiction out there, but still!)
I'm sorry if you feel that going to Andromeda is the wrong choice to make, but the choice is made and to stay in the Milky Way would mean to canonise one of the endings, and as I've stated in a previous post all that would do is open an entirely new can of worms.
Hell, I truly believe that even if they didn't canonise one ending and have it set in a Milky Way fast forwarded to a time where the Reapers and GodEmperor!Shep have all died of old age or something, or a time where the Synthesis has inexplicably worn out and everyone's back to normal...then all that does is essentially make everything you as the player have fought for completely pointless. And then we'll have another can of worms to deal with... Everywhere you go there's worms!
The move to Andromeda may feel to some as if Bioware has hit a big reset button on the Mass Effect universe, but can you or any of the pro-Milky Way forumites honestly tell me if the alternatives are any better?
I for one support the move to Andromeda but I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
And as for the "deal with it" post, yeah that was a dick move on my part. Still though, people need to move on...for their own sanity if not for mine. 
I love my Shepard, and the storyline for ME1-3.. I even love most of the NPCs and squadmates. However, I am looking forward for new faces, new places, and a new story!
I can understand people being upset about leaving the Milky Way, there's still so much to do there, but being upset about Shepard? LOL!
I'm so glad we don't have to play as that Gary Stu again, he can rot under the rubble I left him under for all I care
There were home-worlds in the Milky Way I still wanted to see and I will admit that I'm sad I'm probably never going to. Selected races from the trilogy are moving to this new galaxy along with you, they will be strangers to this new galaxy just as much as the humans are. That means no more discovering historical locations tied to them, not being able to visit their home-worlds to see what life is like for them culturally. I loved visiting the krogan on Tuchunka and going inside a migrant fleet ship to witness a quarian trial for these reasons. It was more insight so yes it's a shame we might not ever see Palaven or Kahje or Thessia while it's not being ravaged by war.
I'm kinda glad we're leaving for a new frontier. Sure we've only explored 1% of the Milky Way as so many rush to remind us, but it doesn't feel that way ya know? We've literally traveled from the furthest reaches of the galaxy to the core of said galaxy and back again. A game based on exploration isn't going to feel very exciting if we recognize locations.
Of course, but you need to understand that the vast majority of science fiction fans aren't astronomers, and likely couldn't care less about this nebula or that gas giant or whatever. Most likely, they - like me - would care more about the fiction than the science, care more about seeing strange new civilisations than seeing the Crab Nebula. To steal a line from Roddenberry: people want "to boldly go where no man has gone before." (Somewhat dated with all the science fiction out there, but still!)
Oh, I know. And I am perfectly capable of enjoying media that doesn't have that. But like I said, the fact Bioware did have that with the Shepard Trilogy was part of what made it special to me, so with that gone I am depressed.
I'm sorry if you feel that going to Andromeda is the wrong choice to make, but the choice is made and to stay in the Milky Way would mean to canonise one of the endings, and as I've stated in a previous post all that would do is open an entirely new can of worms.
Hell, I truly believe that even if they didn't canonise one ending and have it set in a Milky Way fast forwarded to a time where the Reapers and GodEmperor!Shep have all died of old age or something, or a time where the Synthesis has inexplicably worn out and everyone's back to normal...then all that does is essentially make everything you as the player have fought for completely pointless. And then we'll have another can of worms to deal with... Everywhere you go there's worms!
The move to Andromeda may feel to some as if Bioware has hit a big reset button on the Mass Effect universe, but can you or any of the pro-Milky Way forumites honestly tell me if the alternatives are any better?
I for one support the move to Andromeda but I guess we just have to agree to disagree.
I understand why Bioware is doing it. There are ways they could have dealt with it, but that would just have led to other people complaining. There is no way to please everyone, especially with this, and unfortunately I got the short straw yet again.
And as for the "deal with it" post, yeah that was a dick move on my part. Still though, people need to move on...for their own sanity if not for mine.
I don't think I can move on from this. Part of what made Mass Effect one of my favorite franchises is gone, perhaps forever.
Fair enough, but it seems that as far as the trilogy goes there's no continuation of the Milky Way without mentioning Shepard in some form.
Unless they went AU.
But really, this is part of why the endings suck so bad.
I don't get what's so hard about this. RBG wrecks it all. There's no way a part of the MW survives without the taint of ME3s ending. I have such a hard time grasping why you're against a move to effectively erase the blight that was that ending.
Well it's not really ending the blight, it's allowing the patient to die.
That it (presumably) doesn't spread doesn't make that any better.
Unless they went AU.
But really, this is part of why the endings suck so bad.
In truth, this has little to do with the endings being considered bad or good but rather just how widespread the effects of the final decision is on the entire setting. If this forum collectively climaxed over how mind-bogglingly good the ending was, we'd probably still be in this same position with the new game.
Oh, I know. And I am perfectly capable of enjoying media that doesn't have that. But like I said, the fact Bioware did have that with the Shepard Trilogy was part of what made it special to me, so with that gone I am depressed.
I understand why Bioware is doing it. There are ways they could have dealt with it, but that would just have led to other people complaining. There is no way to please everyone, especially with this, and unfortunately I got the short straw yet again.
I don't think I can move on from this. Part of what made Mass Effect one of my favorite franchises is gone, perhaps forever.
For what little it may be worth, I'm sorry if the decision has soured your love for Mass Effect. But if there was a way to move on with the story in the Milky Way that didn't rely on canon or handwaving to the point where your struggle against the Reapers was for nothing then I'm sure that they would have done that instead. Sadly, whoever wrote the endings wrote terrible ones and the company back him up, even when we gave them a better one for free. Then, when it came time to make another game those same endings backed the writers into a corner and gang-uh...you get the idea.
I guess the lesson here is when the fans tell you your endings suck and gave you a better one for free - I repeat, for free - LISTEN TO THE FANS!!
Sorry. Got carried away with that last bit, lol.
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