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What's the obsession with Shepard and the Milky Way?


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I'm kinda glad we're leaving for a new frontier. Sure we've only explored 1% of the Milky Way as so many rush to remind us, but it doesn't feel that way ya know? We've literally traveled from the furthest reaches of the galaxy to the core of said galaxy and back again. A game based on exploration isn't going to feel very exciting if we recognize locations.

Fly from Montreal to Edmonton.

 

You've still only seen a tiny fraction of Canada.


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In truth, this has little to do with the endings being considered bad or good but rather just how widespread the effects of the final decision is on the entire setting. If this forum collectively climaxed over how mind-bogglingly good the ending was, we'd probably still be in this same position with the new game.

Probably.

 

But it would make bidding the Milky Way goodbye a bit less bitter.


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Canon. That's the real problem; people cling to it like Berlusconi to power.

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Canon. That's the real problem; people cling to it like Berlusconi to power.

 

Inappropriately and in a disturbingly sexual manner?


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Fly from Montreal to Edmonton.

 

You've still only seen a tiny fraction of Canada.

 

Well yeah because at that point you're still missing Newfoundland and British Columbia  :D I understand your point, I do, but I think you may be missing mine. If you travel to every major city in a country sure you're going to be missing a lot but at the same time you're still seeing important stuff, and meeting a large number of people from every location. It's going to FEEL like you've been everywhere whether or not you actually have been everywhere.



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Inappropriately and in a disturbingly sexual manner?


More accurate than you know.
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Shepard? Well, he/she is the galactic messiah. I don't need him/her. Their story has been told. I can revisit it any time I want. 

 

 

The Milky Way? Well, it's a place we've only explored roughly 1% of. It's our home. Imagine leaving home for the wide open world without ever leaving the crib. I'd say it's an awful waste of unexplored space. Just to runaway from a setting you've spent a decade building the foundation of, in order to avoid exercising your creative mind....maybe some people don't see that as something to be praised or get excited over.


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Shepard? Well, he/she is the galactic messiah. I don't need him/her. Their story has been told. I can revisit it any time I want. 

 

 

The Milky Way? Well, it's a place we've only explored roughly 1% of. It's our home. Imagine leaving home for the wide open world without ever leaving the crib. I'd say it's an awful waste of unexplored space. Just to runaway from a setting you've spent a decade building the foundation of, in order to avoid exercising your creative mind....maybe some people don't see that as something to be praised or get excited over.

 

I initially expected us to venture somewhere in the Milky Way, but somehow the story would have us isolated in a far off region, away from anything and everything that's familiar, because just about everything we know of is essentially multi-state. Despite this being an entirely new galaxy altogether, this isn't that far off from that expectation. My idea would no doubt draw a similar kind of complaint, since everyone would be all "Where's the Citadel? Where's earth? Where's Shepard? Where's proper name, place name??"


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I like my Shepard. I would like to see her in another game. I don't want to leave the Milky Way, but I've accepted that the next game will take place in another galaxy with new characters. I am looking forward to hearing the explanation on how we get there. I wonder if there will be another Mass Effect game in the Milky Way

 

I think most everybody who loved the series loved playing as Shepard to some degree, I'd love to have another game as Shepard BUT bigger picture is that we all have to move on eventually and a move to a new galaxy is the best point to do that.



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Well yeah because at that point you're still missing Newfoundland and British Columbia  :D I understand your point, I do, but I think you may be missing mine. If you travel to every major city in a country sure you're going to be missing a lot but at the same time you're still seeing important stuff, and meeting a large number of people from every location. It's going to FEEL like you've been everywhere whether or not you actually have been everywhere.

Except we haven't even done that.  I mean we saw tiny little bits of a few worlds.  Including some major ones like Sur'Kesh and Thessia, sure.  But these aren't (I hope) SIngle Biome worlds where you step foot on one and you've seen everything.

 

Even so, we haven't visited Kahje, or Kar'Shan.  We've only scanned Irune and  Dekunna.  We only saw Palaven from its moon.  How many major colony worlds have we visited?  Eden Prime, Horizon, Ilium and...?  How about turian colonies?  or batarian?  Have we really seen all the major Terminus worlds?  Or the Traverse.

 

That doesn't even count the worlds we haven't explored in the Attican Traverse or beyond the Perseus Veil.  Or heck, the outer edges of the explored relay network.  There could be entire civilizations out there who fought their own wars against he Reapers, who developed completely separate from the Citadel Council.


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I think most everybody who loved the series loved playing as Shepard to some degree, I'd love to have another game as Shepard BUT bigger picture is that we all have to move on eventually and a move to a new galaxy is the best point to do that.

What do you mean WE? I already moved on by accepting that the game will take place in another galaxy with new characters. I just mentioned I like to have Shepard in another game that's all.



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  If you travel to every major city in a country sure you're going to be missing a lot but at the same time you're still seeing important stuff, and meeting a large number of people from every location. It's going to FEEL like you've been everywhere whether or not you actually have been everywhere.

 I'm curious of how many major cities or worlds (pertaining to the galactic community within the MEU) other than the Citadel, Omega, Illium or Earth, you think we've actually been to and have been able to explore. 

 

Never set foot on Palaven. Had a single mission on Thessia where we ran through some hallways from point A to point B. One mission on Sur'Kesh in a cramped research facility. 3 missions on a barren Rannoch....


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What do you mean WE? I already moved on by accepting that the game will take place in another galaxy with new characters. I just mentioned I like to have Shepard in another game that's all.

 

We as in the entire fanbase, not just us two.  :P



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I initially expected us to venture somewhere in the Milky Way, but somehow the story would have us isolated in a far off region, away from anything and everything that's familiar, because just about everything we know of is essentially multi-state.

 That's because you only wanted/needed/expected a sequel. When one was never required.



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We as in the entire fanbase, not just us two.  :P

So you're speaking for everyone?


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So you're speaking for everyone?

 

Yes, I am the consensus, resistance is futile.


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Yes, I am the consensus, resistance is futile.

Fortunately you don't speak for me.


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 That's because you only wanted/needed/expected a sequel. When one was never required.

 

Sure I expected one. Whatever I may think of prequels personally, I do not believe for a second that prequels are particularly well-liked in general, nor did I see it at all likely that BioWare would create one, despite the constraints of the final endings. Isolation or leaving the galaxy entirely, which I guess is pretty much the same thing, seemed far more likely than futzing around in the few decades prior to ME1, and it seems that turned out to be the case. What's required is not important. A prequel or a "mid"-quel aren't required either. Hell, apparently even staying in the Milky Way isn't really required. 



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I understand why some people are upset, but what I dont understand is why some people are upset and surprised. We predicted this change of setting a year ago. Everyone should have seen this coming and should have come to terms with it, if it came to pass.
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Shepard has nothing to do with it people are open to playing a new MC, the problem is that Bioware is ditching the Milky way galaxy and its completely unnecessary. Most of the galaxy is unexplored. A story about exploration and finding new habitable worlds can easily be done without moving to another galaxy its just going to be nothing but wasted potential. There is also the fact leaving the galaxy forever defeats the purpose of saving it in the first place, why bother saving it in the first place if its just going to be ditched forever.

 

The MW still has a lot stories to tell the EC slides can only show so much of the galaxy after the war. The post war politics and reconstruction efforts can make for interesting stories but unfortunately those stories will just be wasted.



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The MW still has a lot stories to tell the EC slides can only show so much of the galaxy after the war. The post war politics and reconstruction efforts can make for interesting stories but unfortunately those stories will just be wasted.

 

The post-war politics of the setting would be impossible to really account for. Heck, even Control has two states, since the Shep-AI can either be a benevolent overseer or a grim overlord. A synthesized galaxy would be a vastly different backdrop from one where the reapers were destroyed completely. It'd basically be tons of retcons or outright settling on one ending and rolling with it. Realistically, if we stayed in the Milky Way, it'd still be a wild frontier so that all of the politics and other issues can be avoided entirely. Dragon Age is sort of doing the same thing by moving north in Thedas. 


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It'd actually be pretty easy to account for if BioWare just made a canon ending to the game. Some people will get made, but considering some people don't like the ending anyway, I say some people should get over it. 



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It'd actually be pretty easy to account for if BioWare just made a canon ending to the game. Some people will get made, but considering some people don't like the ending anyway, I say some people should get over it. 

 

Sure it would, but if this whole discussion is framed around what pleases or displeases the fans, then it's kind of the same thing. People would be mad, but they would get over it. But the same is true of what we have. People are mad, but they'll probably get over this too. 

 

Except for Bill Casey. I dunno where he is, but I can only assume he's cosplaying as a drell waiting to die from Kepral's Syndrome. 



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The post-war politics of the setting would be impossible to really account for. Heck, even Control has two states, since the Shep-AI can either be a benevolent overseer or a grim overlord. A synthesized galaxy would be a vastly different backdrop from one where the reapers were destroyed completely. It'd basically be tons of retcons or outright settling on one ending and rolling with it. Realistically, if we stayed in the Milky Way, it'd still be a wild frontier so that all of the politics and other issues can be avoided entirely. Dragon Age is sort of doing the same thing by moving north in Thedas. 

There are ways of dealing with the endings Bioware should have taken a similar approach like Deus Ex: MD.



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I'm glad they finally decided to bury Shepard under a ton of debris.

 

He/She was a perfect brick in ME1, but BioWare tried to make him/her into a character in ME3 and consequently ruined Shep as a brick and/or character.


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