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[FKA_Servo]

Sounds an awful lot like Starcraft, imo.

 

Haven't played Starcraft since Brood War, so I forget the details (although the E3 reveal did remind me of it a bit). That said, I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing, is it?

[Iakus]

Andromeda also could introduce a concept I've always wondered about with them being more advanced than the Milky Way

Without Reapers or some other extinction cycle, Andromeda should be completely dominated by whatever their Leviathan analogues are.

 

And why the hell they didn't decide to expand on their own is another question as well.

[AresKeith]

Without Reapers or some other extinction cycle, Andromeda should be completely dominated by whatever their Leviathan analogues are.

 

And why the hell they didn't decide to expand on their own is another question as well.

 

Why would they have Leviathan analogues?

[Iakus]

Haven't played Starcraft since Brood War, so I forget the details (although the E3 reveal did remind me of it a bit). That said, I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing, is it?

Base-building, fighting aliens to western-style music, researching upgrades.

 

And oh, yeah, the new trilogy is bringing in the Xel'Naga, a precursor race who's artifacts seem to be key to saving the galaxy from extinction 

[Iakus]

Why would they have Leviathan analogues?

Because presumably life has been developing in Andromeda as long as it has in the Milky Way.  Only they didn't have Reapers (again presumably).  So whatever their apex species (their "Leviathans") have had millions of years longer to evolve and develop.

[FKA_Servo]

Base-building, fighting aliens to western-style music, researching upgrades.

 

And oh, yeah, the new trilogy is bringing in the Xel'Naga, a precursor race who's artifacts seem to be key to saving the galaxy from extinction 

 

Gotcha. You know, I have Star Craft 2 - got it on release, in fact - but I've never even played it. I probably should.

 

In any event, it's not as if any of this stuff is staggeringly original in the first place. All in how you spin it - and I still do appreciate Bioware's spin on it. Very much, in fact.

[AresKeith]

Because presumably life has been developing in Andromeda as long as it has in the Milky Way.  Only they didn't have Reapers (again presumably).  So whatever their apex species (their "Leviathans") have had millions of years longer to evolve and develop.

 

What if their apex species aren't like the Leviathans? Or they got into a war a lost to their lesser species to the point their no longer dominant

[Iakus]

What if their apex species aren't like the Leviathans? Or they got into a war a lost to their lesser species to the point their no longer dominant

Then where is the species that toppled them?

[dreamgazer]

Then where is the species that toppled them?

Perhaps also toppled by another species.

I agree, though. Absurdly advanced species are something that should exist in Andromeda and present a credible threat, since independent collapses of civilization aren't predictable without something tangible like the AI conflict as a marker.

[Valkyrja]

What if they just all destroyed themselves out of their own stupidity?

 

[AresKeith]

Then where is the species that toppled them?

 

When I said lesser species I meant all of them

[LiL Reapur]

To be honest i predicted this would happen back in 2013, everyone hates the endings so the only plausible option is make the sequel take place in another galaxy. Though i really didn't want Bioware to take this route because it would be "Too easy" to just wash away the endings like laundry. I would've preferred them tackle the endings and make a sequel that "fixes" them instead (like using a 4th ending that hasn't been used that is believable and can be canon). As for leaving the milky way, i'm 50/50 on it. I don't mind leaving for the sake of a fresh galaxy in terms of different species and technology. But i also wouldn't mind staying in our beloved galaxy because we can do basically the same thing but have to make the ending of mass effect 3 roll in with it (which many hate). But that's just me i don't mind Andromeda, but i think Bioware is just doing it to run away from the problem they made back in 2012.....

[Sion1138]

 

In any event, it's not as if any of this stuff is staggeringly original in the first place. All in how you spin it.

 

That's what it always is.

 

Nothing is ever new. Which is why I don't understand the constant clamoring for "new" stuff and the apparent disdain for continuity.

 

"Out with the old, in with the new."

 

Well, you're not going to get new. And for throwing out what you had, you're not going to get the old either. The whole thing might end up being a kind of Frankenstein's Monster with no clear direction, like Dragon Age.

 

That's what I think anyway.

[FKA_Servo]

That's what it always is.

 

Nothing is ever new. Which is why I don't understand the constant clamoring for "new" stuff and the apparent disdain for continuity.

 

"Out with the old, in with the new."

 

Well, you're not going to get new. And for throwing out what you had, you're not going to get the old either. The whole thing might end up being a kind of Frankenstein's Monster with no clear direction.

 

That's what I think anyway.

 

Then they either have to canonize one of the three massively divisive, massively divergent endings in the name of continuity, or they go somewhere else. Or they make a prequel (ew).

 

Personally, I wouldn't be at all opposed to staying in the Milky Way if they figured out a way around all that (although truth be told, ME2 and ME3 made me so unhappy that whatever happens would need to be far, far removed removed). As luck would have it, I think the Andromeda thing is a good idea anyway.

 

And around we go.

[Sion1138]

Then they either have to canonize one of the three massively divisive, massively divergent endings in the name of continuity, or they go somewhere else. Or they make a prequel (ew).

 

Personally, I wouldn't be at all opposed to staying in the Milky Way if they figured out a way around all that (although truth be told, ME2 and ME3 made me so unhappy that whatever happens would need to be far, far removed removed). As luck would have it, I think the Andromeda thing is a good idea anyway.

 

And around we go.

 

Yeah, sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

 

I wasn't happy with ME3 either, but I feel it would still be vastly better to go with that than this sort of half-assed starting over while not starting over.

 

And I'm not a fan of prequels by any stretch, and would even prefer that to a false sequel.

 

I just hate false sequels more than anything.

[AresKeith]

Yeah, sometimes you have to bite the bullet.

 

I wasn't happy with ME3 either, but I feel it would still be vastly better to go with that than this sort of half-assed starting over while not starting over.

 

And I'm not a fan of prequels by any stretch, and would even prefer that to a false sequel.

 

I just hate false sequels more than anything.

 

I wouldn't call it half-assed either, like Dream said it's probably there most ambitious choice

[Sion1138]

I wouldn't call it half-assed either, like Dream said it's probably there most ambitious choice

 

In technical terms, yes. But that's not really what I look for in Bioware games.

 

Four times bigger, next-gen, cutting edge, whatever... If they made their games on the damn Odyssey Engine, I'd still play.

[Iakus]

In technical terms, yes. But that's not really what I look for in Bioware games.

 

Four times bigger, next-gen, cutting edge, whatever... If they made their games on the damn Odyssey Engine, I'd still play.

Heck, Infinity Engine!

[Sion1138]

Heck, Infinity Engine!

 

Well, I wouldn't got that far Sheridan.

[animedreamer]

Ill make this real simple.

 

Mass Effect created a fictional milky way galaxy populated with races and places WE BARELY GOT TO EXPLORE. So yes some people are upset that TECHNICALLY a lot of those races/civilizations/places are now GONE. No i do not expect every race from ME1-3 to miraculously survive Reaper Extinction, and if BioWare says they all do survive then honestly, *shakes head* What was the point of the exodus? Might as well make us seem less stupid and just handwave the Reapers and the entire trilogy as a psychological coping method hallucinated by Shepard after coming into contact with the Prothean Relic on Eden Prime back in ME1 and leaving them in a coma, and that Shepard's choices at the end of ME3 are Shepard coping with Death and passing on. Then just start Andromeda as a new franchise in another galaxy for no reason other than "We can."

[dreamgazer]

In technical terms, yes.

In narrative terms, actually.

Picking a canon choice or merging end-states and jumping ahead in time (my preference, actually) would be less imaginative than finding a way of transporting what we know into a galaxy that we don't. No matter what, they'd have to deal with a truckload of variables leading into the next game. Andromeda gives them a chance to use ambition and imagination towards a fresh, connected spin on the MEU, instead of working really, really hard to makeshift something out of the old variables that will probably end up dissatisfying their nagging critics anyway.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In narrative terms, actually.

Picking a canon choice or merging end-states and jumping ahead in time (my preference, actually) would be less imaginative than finding a way of transporting what we know into a galaxy that we don't. No matter what, they'd have to deal with a truckload of variables leading into the next game. Andromeda gives them a chance to use ambition and imagination towards a fresh, connected spin on the MEU, instead of working really, really hard to makeshift something out of the old that will probably end up dissatisfying their nagging critics anyway.

"Let's go to another galaxy!" is not more imaginative then however having the endings dealt with would be. 

[Sion1138]

In narrative terms, actually.

Picking a canon choice or merging end-states and jumping ahead in time (my preference, actually) would be less imaginative than finding a way of transporting what we know into a galaxy that we don't. No matter what, they'd have to deal with a truckload of variables leading into the next game. Andromeda gives them a chance to use ambition and imagination towards a fresh, connected spin on the MEU, instead of working really, really hard to makeshift something out of the old variables that will probably end up dissatisfying their nagging critics anyway.

 

I guess we have a different definition of "ambition".

 

I would consider the harder, never before attempted thing to be far more ambitious.

[In Exile]

Then where is the species that toppled them?

They nuked themselves. They got a reproduction plague. They ascended to a higher plane of existence. They decided the MW sucks and went to a better galaxy with a bigger front lawn.

There are lots of explanations for a species wiping itself out that don't require invoking another species.

[AresKeith]

I guess we have a different definition of "ambition".

 

I would consider the harder, never before attempted thing to be far more ambitious.

 

Considering that the endings weren't the only variables that casued issues, it would be less ambitious and more of a pain in the ass