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[Sion1138]

So again saying they're "throwing away the trilogy" is exaggerating to a heavy degree 

 

In terms of continuity, it is exactly that.

 

But you guys don't value continuity so we'll never agree I'm afraid.

[AresKeith]

The trilogy would have helped shape it. And there'd be familiar places, characters, lore, etc. 

 

The familiar places would still under repairs, and familiar characters randomly appearing in new places would be pretty out there. Unless your referring to them merging the endings and moving in the future. Which are you also considering the other variables that are an issue outside of the endings?

 

The lore is being butchered to make the trip to Andromeda possible by any means other than natural wormhole. 

 

By your own assumption when we still don't even know how we get their yet

[FKA_Servo]

Yeah, other people.

 

In the same sense, you are referring to that which you personally found to be good about the trilogy.

 

Well, obviously.

 

I loved ME1 but I think that after ME2 and ME3, it's just beyond salvage (like franchise ruining, "I don't even want to replay ME1" beyond salvage). I'm obviously mad about that. I got over it.

 

Again, someone's gonna be mad no matter what they do. If you guys are mad about this one... sorry? There's nothing either of us can do about it other than make our opinions known here.

 

In terms of continuity, it is exactly that.

 

But you guys don't value continuity so we'll never agree I'm afraid.

 

We don't value continuity?

 

I think you should reserve your finger pointing here for the esteemed creators, in all cases.

[AresKeith]

In terms of continuity, it is exactly that.

 

But you guys don't value continuity so we'll never agree I'm afraid.

 

Or we know how much a continuity issue it would be if they try to stay in the MW

 

But you could keep making assumptions about us if you want

[Halfdan The Menace]

 

Shepard? Well, he/she is the galactic messiah. I don't need him/her. Their story has been told. I can revisit it any time I want. 
 
 
The Milky Way? Well, it's a place we've only explored roughly 1% of. It's our home. Imagine leaving home for the wide open world without ever leaving the crib. I'd say it's an awful waste of unexplored space. Just to runaway from a setting you've spent a decade building the foundation of, in order to avoid exercising your creative mind....maybe some people don't see that as something to be praised or get excited over.

Funny thing about obsessive fans; their own custom Sheps. Spent countless hours creating their precious Sheps only to lose him/her in the endings. Poor sods didn't realize they can replay their savegames over and over until the sky turns red.


As for the Milky Way, since the relays were destroyed, how does the surviving races going to explore it? not to mention most of them are pre-spaceflight species and know little of interstellar space travel.

[Sion1138]

Are you to the point where you're picking at sentence structure? No, I meant exactly what I said: "Giving BioWare's idea of life to a completely unknown galaxy". They're going to have to decide how life developed in Andromeda from the ground up, and put their signature spin on it. Hence, BioWare's idea of life.
 

You do realize that you have to fill an entire blank slate, right? Whereas tweaking details of an established universe is the equivalent of turning a small bush into a full tree.
 

 

I post the way I would speak. I was confused by the sentence and I asked you if I understood correctly. There's was no ill will meant.

 

It's not just tweaking it. It's crafting a good, interesting, new story while properly accounting for everything already there.

[Sion1138]

Or we know how much a continuity issue it would be if they try to stay in the MW

 

But you could keep making assumptions about us if you want

 

I meant to make the sentence longer but got lazy there.

 

Not as much, it should have been.

 

I'd jump through all the hoops in order to maintain it, because I consider it to be the absolute greatest value of the Mass Effect series, one of primary reasons for its success.

[Former_Fiend]

 

Funny thing about obsessive fans; their own custom Sheps. Spent countless hours creating their precious Sheps only to lose him/her in the endings. Poor sods didn't realize they can replay their savegames over and over until the sky turns red.


As for the Milky Way, since the relays were destroyed, how does the surviving races going to explore it? not to mention most of them are pre-spaceflight species and know little of interstellar space travel.

 

The extended cut explicitly mentions the relays are damaged but repairable. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, if what makes it great for you personally is exploring our real-life Milky Way galaxy, then I guess it won't.

 

But for me, if it continues on with similar beautiful design (looks like Mass Effect) and world building, retains the other galactic races I've grown to love (turians, asari, krogan, etc), adds inventive new species and races (which we'd expect from a game set in the MW anyway) retains the wide open "space!" setting, and has a similarly memorable cast of characters... yeah, that'll do it for me. I can't imagine anything better.

Well, good for you. I mean that sincerely. I'm glad that everything you love about the Mass Effect franchise will still be there, or at least hopefully. 

 

But for me, part of what made it special is gone and will never come back. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As for the Milky Way, since the relays were destroyed, how does the surviving races going to explore it? not to mention most of them are pre-spaceflight species and know little of interstellar space travel.

How will we explore Andromeda is there are no Mass Relays at all? 

[FKA_Servo]

Well, good for you. I mean that sincerely. I'm glad that everything you love about the Mass Effect franchise will still be there, or at least hopefully. 

 

But for me, part of what made it special is gone and will never come back. 

 

I'm sincerely sorry you're disappointed as well. Clearly, we're both pretty invested in these games.

 

There's not enough money or dev time in the world to satisfy all of us.

[AresKeith]

How will we explore Andromeda is there are no Mass Relays at all? 

 

Maybe they have a more advanced way to travel

[Iakus]

They nuked themselves. They got a reproduction plague. They ascended to a higher plane of existence. They decided the MW sucks and went to a better galaxy with a bigger front lawn.

There are lots of explanations for a species wiping itself out that don't require invoking another species.

Then where are the species that replaced them?

 

I can do this for a good long time, because a billion years is a REALLY FREAKING LONG TIME!  Enough for literally tens of thousands of species to rise up long before those upstart "dinosaurs" came along.

[FKA_Servo]

Maybe they have a more advanced way to travel

 

Well, we know that we're not going to have the whole galaxy open to us. Presumably, standard FTL technology will suffice to get us around the (relatively) tiny area we're gonna be running around in.

 

And if Andromeda follows the same in-universe physical laws as the MW, then mass relay tech might not be unique to our galaxy. I don't think discovering something analogous there would be lore breaking, at any rate.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm sincerely sorry you're disappointed as well. Clearly, we're both pretty invested in these games.

 

There's not enough money or dev time in the world to satisfy all of us.

Thanks. 

 

I know, but I'm always the one who gets the short end of the stick. 

 

Maybe they have a more advanced way to travel

We didn't have that during the Shepard Trilogy. 

[AresKeith]

Well, we know that we're not going to have the whole galaxy open to us. Presumably, standard FTL technology will suffice to get us around the (relatively) tiny area we're gonna be running around in.

 

And if Andromeda follows the same in-universe physical laws as the MW, then mass relay tech might not be unique to our galaxy. I don't think discovering something analogous there would be lore breaking, at any rate.

 

It's possible for them to have the tech but maybe not the relays themselves? It would be interesting if they could put that tech in their ships

[dreamgazer]

But you guys don't value continuity so we'll never agree I'm afraid.

To be honest, I'd say anybody who wants any kind of sequel set in the Milky Way doesn't completely value continuity, because some will be sacrificed no matter what. That'd be the case regardless of the quality of the ending; hell, that was the case from the moment Shepard talked to the council in ME2, even before to smaller degrees.

Who values "continuity" more: those who sidestep it and start anew without the baggage, or those who are comfortable excising significant portions of it just to move forward in the same geographic area?

Remember, my ideal situation would involve jumping ahead in time to a unified end-state point in the MW and going from there, so even I can be accused of that to a degree. The only people who actually avoid that are those who advocate different games for the three big different end-states, and each of those would still have to contend with a metric ton of significant variables to "value continuity" in the universe.

[AresKeith]

We didn't have that during the Shepard Trilogy. 

 

So? This isn't the Shepard Trilogy and it's a new galaxy but we're only in a Cluster this time

 

I would honestly prefer if they were more advanced than the Milky Way

[FKA_Servo]

Thanks. 

 

I know, but I'm always the one who gets the short end of the stick. 

 

For what it's worth, I am being completely sincere. It doesn't always translate well on the internet. Mass Effect was, for me, a revelation. I can't think of a game or a fictional setting that I've loved more before or since. If your feelings about this move are anything like how I felt after finishing ME3, well... gutted would be an understatement.

[dreamgazer]

It's not just tweaking it. It's crafting a good, interesting, new story while properly accounting for everything already there.

What do you mean by "properly accounting for everything already there", exactly?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well, we know that we're not going to have the whole galaxy open to us. Presumably, standard FTL technology will suffice to get us around the (relatively) tiny area we're gonna be running around in.

 

And if Andromeda follows the same in-universe physical laws as the MW, then mass relay tech might not be unique to our galaxy. I don't think discovering something analogous there would be lore breaking, at any rate.

If the size of the cluster is as big as the leak suggests, conventional FTL wouldn't be efficient or convenient. 

 

I'd rather there be Mass Relays there than just "These aren't Mass Relays, but they do all the same stuff and serve the same purpose". 

 

So? This isn't the Shepard Trilogy and it's a new galaxy but we're only in a Cluster this time

 

I would honestly prefer if they were more advanced than the Milky Way

If they leave during the events of the Shepard Trilogy, that tech is going against the established lore. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

For what it's worth, I am being completely sincere. It doesn't always translate well on the internet. Mass Effect was, for me, a revelation. I can't think of a game or a fictional setting that I've loved more before or since. If your feelings about this move are anything like how I felt after finishing ME3, well... gutted would be an understatement.

I know you are, and I appreciate that. You're better than most other posters here. Thank you. 

Yeah, gutted doesn't do it justice. 

[Sion1138]

To be honest, I'd say anybody who wants any kind of sequel set in the Milky Way doesn't completely value continuity, because some will be sacrificed no matter what. That'd be the case regardless of the quality of the ending; hell, that was the case from the moment Shepard talked to the council in ME2, even before to smaller degrees.

Who values "continuity" more: those who sidestep it and start anew without the baggage, or those who are comfortable excising significant portions of it just to move forward in the same geographic area?

Remember, my ideal situation would involve jumping ahead in time to a unified end-state point in the MW and going from there, so even I can be accused of that to a degree. The only people who actually avoid that are those who advocate different games for the three big different end-states, and each of those would still have to contend with a metric ton of significant variables to "value continuity" in the universe.

 

It's not an accusation, there's nothing wrong with anyone's opinion even if they hate the guts out of the concept. I'm not right.

 

And I know I'm cherry picking here.

 

I don't think of the collective endings as an element to continuity because they're overly divergent. They were specifically designed to end continuity, so anything you do to them aside from a complete retcon shouldn't be considered sidestepping.

[AlanC9]

As for the Milky Way, since the relays were destroyed, how does the surviving races going to explore it? not to mention most of them are pre-spaceflight species and know little of interstellar space travel.

That would work the same way it does in Star Trek, I'd think. Mass effect drives are just fine for interstellar travel.

[AresKeith]

 

If they leave during the events of the Shepard Trilogy, that tech is going against the established lore. 

 

I wasn't talking about their tech, I was referring to the Galaxy themselves