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How can you claim it is dangerous or impossible to control when you don't know the extend or limitations of this type of magic? Ignorance is always dangerous and their is not a single group in Thedas as ignorant as the circle mages and the chantry. Everything is dangerous if you have no knowledge of it, even a car can be dangerous if somebody doesn't have a driving license .

Pretty much seen its nasty effects so did chantry , you don't need to be genius to figure out that something for an example that allows you turn into brid would make escape from circle for a mage no problem.And pls don't compare car to mages because it is pretty much equal of zevran argument about babies that can be crushed as easily.



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Actually, Circle mages have access to the most extensive bodies of magical knowledge outside of Tevinter. It may fall short of the knowledge of an apostate trained from birth by an elven god, and it may be scant on knowledge of blood magic by design, but they aren't ignorant. If Finn is any indication some circle mages have a better grasp of elven lore than some Dalish clans.

 

Their knowledge falls far short compared to the knowledge of the magisters and elves of old. Thats dangerous because eldritch abominations tend to pop up far to often and usually have access to magic the circles do not understand.



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Pretty much seen its nasty effects so did chantry , you don't need to be genius to figure out that something for an example that allows you turn into brid would make escape from circle for a mage no problem.And pls don't compare car to mages because it is pretty much equal of zevran argument about babies that can be crushed as easily.

 

Is their a reason somebody want to escape the the circle? After if its a mage paradise as you proclaim nobody wishes to escape. unless it is not and run by morally bankrupt templars that turned to red lyrium the first opportunity they get, then i can understand they want to escape that hellhole.

 

Also nasty effects? sure nuclear power has nasty effects as well if used improperly. But we still use it for the benefit of mankind. What you describe is fear. But fear is for the animals and we are humans and we overcome our fears and master the environment we live in. 


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Is their a reason somebody want to escape the the circle? After if its a mage paradise as you proclaim nobody wishes to escape. unless it is not and run by morally bankrupt templars that turned to red lyrium the first opportunity they get, then i can understand they want to escape that hellhole.

 

Also nasty effects? sure nuclear power has nasty effects as well if used improperly. But we still use it for the benefit of mankind. What you describe is fear. But fear is for the animals and we are humans and we overcome our fears and master the environment we live in. 

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I love how awkwardly you have changed topic and tried shove me words i have never said , but yeah in fact circles are one of the most luxurious places in thedas doesn't change fact that some mages will try to escape and of course abuse their powers.In first place Templars turned into red templars because their leader was corrupted and replaced by envy demon not because they were corrupted. 

 

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Do you have access to nuclear weapon? No. you don't. you can't even lick it for good reason , mage is pretty much ticking bomb in human form ,what makes it even worse.It is fear , sane fear i would say common sense as is holding dangerous animals in cages and security measures at for an example airports 



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Freedom would not work,burning them all or made them all tranquil or lock them in prisons of maximum security (not the circles) as Komandor Shepard suggest will work,especially in Tevinter.

i'm being tired of these mages who wish this who want that,but keep to continue to start disaster after disaster like walking bomb,speaking of bomb Anders was literally a bomb while Solas and Corypheus and the Architect were holy bombs.



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Poorly.

Funny how you say this with a Professor X tag.



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:lol:

I love how awkwardly you have changed topic and tried shove me words i have never said , but yeah in fact circles are one of the most luxurious places in thedas doesn't change fact that some mages will try to escape and of course abuse their powers.In first place Templars turned into red templars because their leader was corrupted and replaced by envy demon not because they were corrupted. 

 

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Do you have access to nuclear weapon? No. you don't. you can't even lick it for good reason , mage is pretty much ticking bomb in human form ,what makes it even worse.It is fear , sane fear i would say common sense as is holding dangerous animals in cages and security measures at for an example airports 

 

Peculiar you are calling them ticking time bombs yet the chantry still allows them to serve on the battlefield . You would never send a ticking time bomb to a battlefield. but in any case your wrong because the leliana ending says you are wrong.


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Peculiar you are calling them ticking time bombs yet the chantry still allows them to serve on the battlefield . You would never send a ticking time bomb to a battlefield. but in any case your wrong because the leliana ending says you are wrong.

Yeah, barely considering they send 7 mages to Ostagar and didn't want to sent more for good reasons (and how that finished for circle i don't have to tell), besides circles itself were weak idea to control mages and the same time sadly best protection against mages.

 

Leliana is mary sue and writers pet that breaks reality and complexity of said problem with power of rainbows because of obvious writers favoritism .Pretty much, i can already tell that it will lead to more crap that mages cause and i will have to fix in next games while game will be praising what good job leliana is doing :lol:  ,unless writers realize how bad writing it is. 



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Yeah, barely considering they send 7 mages to Ostagar and didn't want to sent more for good reasons (and how that finished for circle i don't have to tell), besides circles itself were weak idea to control mages and the same time sadly best protection against mages.

Leliana is mary sue and writers pet that breaks reality and complexity of said problem with power of rainbows because of obvious writers favoritism .Pretty much, i can already tell that it will lead to more crap that mages cause and i will have to fix in next games while game will be praising what good job leliana is doing :lol: ,unless writers realize how bad writing it is.

People seem to forget that you are the herald and seen as the makers will so if you are pro Mage people think the maker is pro mage

Also the devs said this is the last game where the Mage/Templar issue is relevant so yes, lelians's ending won't backfire in that case

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People seem to forget that you are the herald and seen as the makers will so if you are pro Mage people think the maker is pro mage

Also the devs said this is the last game where the Mage/Templar issue is relevant so yes, lelians's ending won't backfire in that case

 

So? I have explained that 1000 times, doing unpopular things while being popular doesn't make things popular only you unpopular ,moment mages will unleash their horrors on folks inquisitor popularity will start droping faster than s/he will say "im herald of andraste". 

 

Also devs said mage templar war issue was solved in inquistion, not problems that mages cause.Mages were responsible for majority of problems in da games i don't see that changing.



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People seem to forget that you are the herald and seen as the makers will so if you are pro Mage people think the maker is pro mage

Also the devs said this is the last game where the Mage/Templar issue is relevant so yes, lelians's ending won't backfire in that case


It doesn't need to collapse from a lack of public support. Problems will most likely be based in the logistics of setting up an independent institution run by the mages.

Also, by the time of DA4, the Inquisitor will be removed from power, the Inquisition will be disbanded, or it will fall out of favor. I find it extremely improbable that Bioware will allow such a variable and influential element to continue to exist in the world of Thedas.

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It wouldn't work, at least not for a while. It would most likely take a over a decade for things to possibly balance out in southern Thedas, due to the fact that you've suddenly introduced an entire class of very powerful individuals into regular society without any clearly defined place for them to go in a society that is still a bit wary of them.

Within a generation or two, the College of Enchanters would likely become corrupt due to a need of funds. Without any official system of regulation, the mages would need to find a way to fund their school outside of fickle kings and nobles, who could easily turn on them without Chantry protection. This becomes even more of an issue considering that it's likely that other mage schools will be founded by ambitious and powerful mages. Eventually, competition between the schools will become more and more intense. In order to fund more daring experiments to outdo other schools, the college(s) will turn to their students as a source of funds (if they don't simply turn on the governments and topple the kings in order to secure their power, though I find this scenario to be far less likely). The mage schools will begin to charge families for attendance, something only nobles or wealthy merchants could afford. Mages born to peasant families would be left to their own devices, uneducated. Things would eventually turn ugly as the baseborn mages would be unable to control their powers due to a lack of education. Terror would spread throughout the countryside as rumors of abominations destroying entire villages, fields turned to ash, and bands of blood mage thugs travelled. Nobles fearful of chaos would begin to demand that the mage schools end the destruction caused by their kind, while others would instead demand that the Divine declare an Exalted March against the mages. The mage schools would take action, of course, if only to ensure their own safety. They would most likely be forced to exterminate a great deal of the baseborn mage population due to their inability to simply take in those who could not pay. Where it would go from there, I don't know.

This is all hypothetical, I know, but that is how I feel things would logically occur.

I don't think lack of education will be a problem. Even if you are the poorest mage, the College of Enchanters run by Fiona won't just let them go around without a basic understanding of magic for fear of abominations erupting. Even Tevinter teaches their slaves (e.g. Calpernia) the basics of magic out of principle. If they can't afford to live in ivory towers like the Circles of old, then the very least the College can set up apprentice programs under hedge mages like the Avvar Augurs or Chasind Witches. All that is required is the transportation and really, with all that magic, the College should be able to whip something up.

 

As for funds, these are people who can enchant items, reshape reality, and create magical wonders. Are you telling me the College of Magi can't market that without the mundanes to hold their hands? Have you ever read http://Codex entry: Darktown's Deal? The Dwarven's Merchant's Guild was able to make a business relationship with Orzammar who as surfacer dwarves are anethema to dwarven nobles. Yet they made it work. Why can't they just do the same thing? Have enchanting guilds, mercenary guilds, alchemist guilds sell their services to a discrete middleman (Mages' Collective) and all parties benefit. Now muggles could theoretically stubbornly war against this, but is it really a good idea to alienate Thedas' greatest scientists, weapons of war, and scholars? Those kind of jackasses would surely have enemies that the mages would rather sell to. In fact, for the very reason you just described, it gives incentive to mage solidarity in these sorts of things. You have the Aquetarians who would cross arms with Libertarians just for the uniformal adequate education of mages and libertarians will want to show the muggles that the system works to keep their freedom and the lucrosians can earn so much more gold as an independent marketer of their services than they ever could under the Chantry or templars' rigorous regulations. Other than the loyalists, I don't see how this doesn't benefit everyone.

 

 

 

It doesn't need to collapse from a lack of public support. Problems will most likely be based in the logistics of setting up an independent institution run by the mages.

Also, by the time of DA4, the Inquisitor will be removed from power, the Inquisition will be disbanded, or it will fall out of favor. I find it extremely improbable that Bioware will allow such a variable and influential element to continue to exist in the world of Thedas.

Nah. When bioware has a game dedicated to an organization, that organization is going to be a big mover and shaker for the rest of the franchise, especially when it's been brought back from the grave and becomes a zero to hero story. In fact, as the Templar Order is disbanded, if the mages who hire their own templars (probably something like sellswords) don't handle abominations and demons, the Inquisition could take the role of like the Seekers of Truth to the College. Watching for corruption.


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Leliana is mary sue and writers pet that breaks reality and complexity of said problem with power of rainbows because of obvious writers favoritism .Pretty much, i can already tell that it will lead to more crap that mages cause and i will have to fix in next games while game will be praising what good job leliana is doing :lol:  ,unless writers realize how bad writing it is. 

 

I dont care what you have to say. Lore says that you are wrong.


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I dont care what you have to say. Lore says that you are wrong.

Not rly ,pretty much i have massive amount of disasters caused by mages to support what im saying, but It guess some people prefer to avoid cold reality with warm lies ;) .



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I don't think lack of education will be a problem. Even if you are the poorest mage, the College of Enchanters run by Fiona won't just let them go around without a basic understanding of magic for fear of abominations erupting. Even Tevinter teaches their slaves (e.g. Calpernia) the basics of magic out of principle. If they can't afford to live in ivory towers like the Circles of old, then the very least the College can set up apprentice programs under hedge mages like the Avvar Augurs or Chasind Witches. All that is required is the transportation and really, with all that magic, the College should be able to whip something up.

As for funds, these are people who can enchant items, reshape reality, and create magical wonders. Are you telling me the College of Magi can't market that without the mundanes to hold their hands? Have you ever read http://Codex entry: Darktown's Deal? The Dwarven's Merchant's Guild was able to make a business relationship with Orzammar who as surfacer dwarves are anethema to dwarven nobles. Yet they made it work. Why can't they just do the same thing? Have enchanting guilds, mercenary guilds, alchemist guilds sell their services to a discrete middleman (Mages' Collective) and all parties benefit. Now muggles could theoretically stubbornly war against this, but is it really a good idea to alienate Thedas' greatest scientists, weapons of war, and scholars? Those kind of jackasses would surely have enemies that the mages would rather sell to. In fact, for the very reason you just described, it gives incentive to mage solidarity in these sorts of things. You have the Aquetarians who would cross arms with Libertarians just for the uniformal adequate education of mages and libertarians will want to show the muggles that the system works to keep their freedom and the lucrosians can earn so much more gold as an independent marketer of their services than they ever could under the Chantry or templars' rigorous regulations. Other than the loyalists, I don't see how this doesn't benefit everyone.



Nah. When bioware has a game dedicated to an organization, that organization is going to be a big mover and shaker for the rest of the franchise, especially when it's been brought back from the grave and becomes a zero to hero story. In fact, as the Templar Order is disbanded, if the mages who hire their own templars (probably something like sellswords) don't handle abominations and demons, the Inquisition could take the role of like the Seekers of Truth to the College. Watching for corruption.


Don't forget how jaws reveals that the inquisition is helping with reforming the seekers if you chose that option so I doubt the inquisition will ignore the college

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I don't think lack of education will be a problem. Even if you are the poorest mage, the College of Enchanters run by Fiona won't just let them go around without a basic understanding of magic for fear of abominations erupting. Even Tevinter teaches their slaves (e.g. Calpernia) the basics of magic out of principle. If they can't afford to live in ivory towers like the Circles of old, then the very least the College can set up apprentice programs under hedge mages like the Avvar Augurs or Chasind Witches. All that is required is the transportation and really, with all that magic, the College should be able to whip something up.

As for funds, these are people who can enchant items, reshape reality, and create magical wonders. Are you telling me the College of Magi can't market that without the mundanes to hold their hands? Have you ever read http://Codex entry: Darktown's Deal? The Dwarven's Merchant's Guild was able to make a business relationship with Orzammar who as surfacer dwarves are anethema to dwarven nobles. Yet they made it work. Why can't they just do the same thing? Have enchanting guilds, mercenary guilds, alchemist guilds sell their services to a discrete middleman (Mages' Collective) and all parties benefit. Now muggles could theoretically stubbornly war against this, but is it really a good idea to alienate Thedas' greatest scientists, weapons of war, and scholars? Those kind of jackasses would surely have enemies that the mages would rather sell to. In fact, for the very reason you just described, it gives incentive to mage solidarity in these sorts of things. You have the Aquetarians who would cross arms with Libertarians just for the uniformal adequate education of mages and libertarians will want to show the muggles that the system works to keep their freedom and the lucrosians can earn so much more gold as an independent marketer of their services than they ever could under the Chantry or templars' rigorous regulations. Other than the loyalists, I don't see how this doesn't benefit everyone.



Nah. When bioware has a game dedicated to an organization, that organization is going to be a big mover and shaker for the rest of the franchise, especially when it's been brought back from the grave and becomes a zero to hero story. In fact, as the Templar Order is disbanded, if the mages who hire their own templars (probably something like sellswords) don't handle abominations and demons, the Inquisition could take the role of like the Seekers of Truth to the College. Watching for corruption.


Don't forget how jaws reveals that the inquisition is helping with reforming the seekers if you chose that option so I doubt the inquisition will ignore the college. I know my inquisitor will help out

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I don't think lack of education will be a problem. Even if you are the poorest mage, the College of Enchanters run by Fiona won't just let them go around without a basic understanding of magic for fear of abominations erupting. Even Tevinter teaches their slaves (e.g. Calpernia) the basics of magic out of principle. If they can't afford to live in ivory towers like the Circles of old, then the very least the College can set up apprentice programs under hedge mages like the Avvar Augurs or Chasind Witches. All that is required is the transportation and really, with all that magic, the College should be able to whip something up.

 

As for funds, these are people who can enchant items, reshape reality, and create magical wonders. Are you telling me the College of Magi can't market that without the mundanes to hold their hands? Have you ever read http://Codex entry: Darktown's Deal? The Dwarven's Merchant's Guild was able to make a business relationship with Orzammar who as surfacer dwarves are anethema to dwarven nobles. Yet they made it work. Why can't they just do the same thing? Have enchanting guilds, mercenary guilds, alchemist guilds sell their services to a discrete middleman (Mages' Collective) and all parties benefit. Now muggles could theoretically stubbornly war against this, but is it really a good idea to alienate Thedas' greatest scientists, weapons of war, and scholars? Those kind of jackasses would surely have enemies that the mages would rather sell to. In fact, for the very reason you just described, it gives incentive to mage solidarity in these sorts of things. You have the Aquetarians who would cross arms with Libertarians just for the uniformal adequate education of mages and libertarians will want to show the muggles that the system works to keep their freedom and the lucrosians can earn so much more gold as an independent marketer of their services than they ever could under the Chantry or templars' rigorous regulations. Other than the loyalists, I don't see how this doesn't benefit everyone.

 

 

 
 

Nah. When bioware has a game dedicated to an organization, that organization is going to be a big mover and shaker for the rest of the franchise, especially when it's been brought back from the grave and becomes a zero to hero story. In fact, as the Templar Order is disbanded, if the mages who hire their own templars (probably something like sellswords) don't handle abominations and demons, the Inquisition could take the role of like the Seekers of Truth to the College. Watching for corruption.

 

First, on the matter of universal mage education:

 

1) Tevinter educates all mages because the mage education there is run by the state, which has a great number of places from which it can get money, like taxes and trade. The state has stable enough funding to educate all mage children.

2) The College is an independent organization. It must rely on money from contracts and the production of goods, some of which will be in competition with goods from existing sources and others would be contested when more mage schools formed. The College would eventually not have a stable enough source of income to make mage education universal.

3) I don't hold a great deal of confidence in Fiona's ability as a leader and administrator and leader, but even ignoring that, I said that the College would become corrupt within a generation or two. It doesn't need to be Fiona. It is extremely improbable that the College will be graced with an endless string of selfless and thoughtful rulers, and when dealing with the education of all those mages in southern Thedas, it wouldn't take many poor decisions to throw everything into chaos.

 

Funding was also primarily an issue in my model due to competition between mage schools. They'd be competing for the same customer base and would seek alternate sources of income to make up for the money lost to other mage schools. And the mages would certainly face opposition from mundanes. Yes, they could look to the opposition's enemies to fund them instead, but once again, there would eventually be many schools competing for this same pool of clients.

 

 

And....um.... yes. One of the three scenarios that I listed will occur. The Inquisition is basically in control of all of southern Thedas. Such an organization with such a variable set of tenants and an entirely variable leader cannot be successfully translated across multiple installments. The best case scenario to back up what you are saying is that the Inquisitor will get the boot, of even more infuriatingly, disappear. Upon the Inquisitor's disappearance, it's pretty much up in the air what'll happen to the Inquisition.

Look, I know that you don't want that to happen. No one wants that to happen. But it's going to happen. It has to happen. Bioware even worked to cover themselves in game, with all those talks about how the Inquisition would have to disband.



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First, on the matter of universal mage education:

1) Tevinter educates all mages because the mage education there is run by the state, which has a great number of places from which it can get money, like taxes and trade. The state has stable enough funding to educate all mage children.
2) The College is an independent organization. It must rely on money from contracts and the production of goods, some of which will be in competition with goods from existing sources and others would be contested when more mage schools formed. The College would eventually not have a stable enough source of income to make mage education universal.
3) I don't hold a great deal of confidence in Fiona's ability as a leader and administrator and leader, but even ignoring that, I said that the College would become corrupt within a generation or two. It doesn't need to be Fiona. It is extremely improbable that the College will be graced with an endless string of selfless and thoughtful rulers, and when dealing with the education of all those mages in southern Thedas, it wouldn't take many poor decisions to throw everything into chaos.

Funding was also primarily an issue in my model due to competition between mage schools. They'd be competing for the same customer base and would seek alternate sources of income to make up for the money lost to other mage schools. And the mages would certainly face opposition from mundanes. Yes, they could look to the opposition's enemies to fund them instead, but once again, there would eventually be many schools competing for this same pool of clients.


And....um.... yes. One of the three scenarios that I listed will occur. The Inquisition is basically in control of all of southern Thedas. Such an organization with such a variable set of tenants and an entirely variable leader cannot be successfully translated across multiple installments. The best case scenario to back up what you are saying is that the Inquisitor will get the boot, of even more infuriatingly, disappear. Upon the Inquisitor's disappearance, it's pretty much up in the air what'll happen to the Inquisition.
Look, I know that you don't want that to happen. No one wants that to happen. But it's going to happen. It has to happen. Bioware even worked to cover themselves in game, with all those talks about how the Inquisition would have to disband.


You forget how the inquisitor can say the Inquisition isn't going anywhere. You also forget how the next game is going north so the inquisition disbanding isn't likely.

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You forget how the inquisitor can say the Inquisition isn't going anywhere. You also forget how the next game is going north so the inquisition disbanding isn't likely.

I don't forget that. You forget that the Inquisitor can also agree with the statement. If what you said during that conversation were relevant, then we would not only be dealing with world states with Inquisitions with vastly different ideologies, we'd also have some where it simply doesn't exist.

The only way to rectify this problem while also keeping the Inquisition in tact would be for the Inquisition to play virtually no role in the future games. This would be ridiculous as, by the end of DAI, the Inquisition basically controls all of southern Thedas and has influence in Nevarra and Tevinter.

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I don't forget that. You forget that the Inquisitor can also agree with the statement. If what you said during that conversation were relevant, then we would not only be dealing with world states with Inquisitions with vastly different ideologies, we'd also have some where it simply doesn't exist.

The only way to rectify this problem while also keeping the Inquisition would be for the Inquisition to play virtually no role in the future games. This would be ridiculous as, by the end of DAI, the Inquisition basically controls all of southern Thedas and has influence in Nevarra and Tevinter.

That's another reason we are going north. That way the inquisition isn't relevant. And if bios are does keep the inquisition around corruption free

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That's another reason we are going north. That way the inquisition isn't relevant. And if bios are does keep the inquisition around corruption free


So, that cuts out Nevarra and Tevinter from future games, due to the Inquisition's role there. Probably Antiva too. I doubt that Bioware would limit themselves like that. They'd leave only the Anderfels, Rivain, Seheron, and Par Vollen.

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First, on the matter of universal mage education:

 

1) Tevinter educates all mages because the mage education there is run by the state, which has a great number of places from which it can get money, like taxes and trade. The state has stable enough funding to educate all mage children.

2) The College is an independent organization. It must rely on money from contracts and the production of goods, some of which will be in competition with goods from existing sources and others would be contested when more mage schools formed. The College would eventually not have a stable enough source of income to make mage education universal.

3) I don't hold a great deal of confidence in Fiona's ability as a leader and administrator and leader, but even ignoring that, I said that the College would become corrupt within a generation or two. It doesn't need to be Fiona. It is extremely improbable that the College will be graced with an endless string of selfless and thoughtful rulers, and when dealing with the education of all those mages in southern Thedas, it wouldn't take many poor decisions to throw everything into chaos.

 

Funding was also primarily an issue in my model due to competition between mage schools. They'd be competing for the same customer base and would seek alternate sources of income to make up for the money lost to other mage schools. And the mages would certainly face opposition from mundanes. Yes, they could look to the opposition's enemies to fund them instead, but once again, there would eventually be many schools competing for this same pool of clients.

Well then I think the obvious solution would be that Divine Leliana gets the Ferelden and Orlais monarch to sanction the College of Enchanters as the official mage training organization and brand all competing mage colleges heretics. If Cassandra is Divine then there is no need to support all the mage colleges and it's just an alternative to the Circle.

 

Yes the College could become corrupt but that's why the Inquisition and Leliana's spy network is needed to survive. If there is corruption, the inquisition will root it out as it has done throughout the game.



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Well then I think the obvious solution would be that Divine Leliana gets the Ferelden and Orlais monarch to sanction the College of Enchanters as the official mage training organization and brand all competing mage colleges heretics. If Cassandra is Divine then there is no need to support all the mage colleges and it's just an alternative to the Circle.

Yes the College could become corrupt but that's why the Inquisition and Leliana's spy network is needed to survive. If there is corruption, the inquisition will root it out as it has done throughout the game.


I was only ever referring to the scenario under Divine Leliana as the Circle present under Cassandra prevents the problem of uneducated mages.

Now, I'm perfectly fine with the Chantry getting involved in the College, but I don't think that the mages would be too fond of that. They've just been granted independence, but now the Chantry will mandate what is and isn't a legal mage school? It would probably start to feel like they are simply living within a more liberal Circle, rather than an independent organization. (Though I do feel like some sort of situation like this will come about eventually. The issue is whether it will require a bit of political pressure to occur.)

Just like Fiona won't run the College forever, Leliana won't be Divine forever. And also, as I said the Inquisition is likely to disband or take some new form before long.

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I was only ever referring to the scenario under Divine Leliana as the Circle present under Cassandra prevents the problem of uneducated mages.

Now, I'm perfectly fine with the Chantry getting involved in the College, but I don't think that the mages would be too fond of that. They've just been granted independence, but now the Chantry will mandate what is and isn't a legal mage school? It would probably start to feel like they are simply living within a more liberal Circle, rather than an independent organization. (Though I do feel like some sort of situation like this will come about eventually. The issue is whether it will require a bit of political pressure to occur.)

Just like Fiona won't run the College forever, Leliana won't be Divine forever. And also, as I said the Inquisition is likely to disband or take some new form before long.

Leliana is granting the mages autonomy on the condition of solidarity. Pretty generous considering that the mages would have no choice at all had she decided that they all go back to the Circles or executed for apostasy. I doubt there are any mages foolish enough to look a gift horse in the mouth. Even if there are, they would be thrown to the wolves without Fiona's backing.

 

If we are strictly speaking of Divine Leliana, doesn't she publicly declare support for the Inquisition? To me that sounds like she is sanctioning the Inquisition as a military arm of the Chantry. Wouldn't that imply that disbanding the Inquisition as heretical, even should Leliana pass away?

 

Anyways, I still think that the Inquisition will stick around. And as long as there is an Inquisition, i think the College will tread lightly.



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Leliana is granting the mages autonomy on the condition of solidarity. Pretty generous considering that the mages would have no choice at all had she decided that they all go back to the Circles or executed for apostasy. I doubt there are any mages foolish enough to look a gift horse in the mouth. Even if there are, they would be thrown to the wolves without Fiona's backing.

If we are strictly speaking of Divine Leliana, doesn't she publicly declare support for the Inquisition? To me that sounds like she is sanctioning the Inquisition as a military arm of the Chantry. Wouldn't that imply that disbanding the Inquisition as heretical, even should Leliana pass away?

Anyways, I still think that the Inquisition will stick around. And as long as there is an Inquisition, i think the College will tread lightly.


All Divines declare support for the Inquisition as long as they are on good terms with the Inquisitor. The Inquisition does not appear to be an official military arm, instead it seems to be a friendly alliance.

The agreement with Leiliana about solidarity could work if the mages did agree to it. I can see a steeled!Leliana forcing the agreement to work, though I don't know how long things would last after her passing away.

You can believe whatever you want about the Inquisition. A ball of variables as big as the Inquisition cannot continue existing across installments.