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The search for the cure makes perfect sense, even if they are only interested in self preservation. Every Warden that lives, regardless of their choices becomes and remains the Warden Commander of Ferelden throughout Inquisition and after per Awakening. As various epilogues suggest, that may not always be the case but it is for the time being. Whatever happened to the Wardens in Ferelden, whatever is happening with the Wardens in the Anderfels and the fallout from Corypheus' manipulation of Wardens the Warden Commander as a prominent figure and Warden of high rank is involved.

 

No, it doesn't ,i have already explained why.There is just far better alternative than just cure and the warden knows about it.Even that simple fact that they not only become WC and stay as one doesn't make sense for some wardens as you are given option to play otherwise. No s/he isn't? The warden is pretty much far away from Anderfels , we don't know if disappearance of grey wardens in ferelden have anything to do with the warden ,apparently in last flight there is new warden commander in ferelden and the warden has absolutely nothing to do with grey wardens in orlais. 
 



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No, it doesn't ,i have already explained why.There is just far better alternative than just cure and the warden knows about it.Even that simple fact that they not only become WC and stay as one doesn't make sense for some wardens as you are given option to play otherwise. No s/he isn't? The warden is pretty much far away from Anderfels , we don't know if disappearance of grey wardens in ferelden have anything to do with the warden ,apparently in last flight there is new warden commander in ferelden and the warden has absolutely nothing to do with grey wardens in orlais. 
 

The calling bit is just a plot coupon bioware introduced to address somehow the living wardens,due to players backlashes,

no need for complicated explanation.



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The calling bit is just a plot coupon bioware introduced to address somehow the living wardens,due to players backlashes,

no need for complicated explanation.

It does need explanation ,you can't just throw just anything you want ,it has to make sense.You don't send immortal on quest to become immortal because it wouldn't make any sense.In first place ,there was no need to touch HoF and explain where s/he is and what s/he is doing they could just leave it up to the player and that would be far better solution.


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s no need to touch HoF and explain where s/he is and what s/he is doing they could just leave it up to the player and that would be far better solution.

Agree,but this is mainly because players are somehow obsessed with romances, they wish to hear how their fictional love story with Leliana,Morrigan,Alistair continues.
It was like this with  Leliana and Alistair stupid cameo on DAII,they were there just to say "Oh the warden is very handsome and S/he is the love of my life"
In DAI it doesn't matter who trigger the quest of the HoF,is always something like
"my love this,my love that"  this is too caramel buddy for my tastes


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In first place, there was no need to touch HoF and explain where s/he is and what s/he is doing they could just leave it up to the player and that would be far better solution.

 

If they hadn't tried to leave the "hype" at the end of DA2 that there was some secret and/or sinister work keeping the Warden and Hawke out of the picture, I'd agree.  That said, now that we do know it was just a coincidence, I agree that we shouldn't hear from him/her again.  That said, they also need to either quit having the love interests show up solo, too, or make it clear that they broke up between games or something.  Need to cut it out with the whole "S/he is totally the most important person in my life even though s/he's can't be arsed with actually helping me with this super important business I'm on here and I'm not helping him/her with anything, ever, either".



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If they hadn't tried to leave the "hype" at the end of DA2 that there was some secret and/or sinister work keeping the Warden and Hawke out of the picture, I'd agree.  That said, now that we do know it was just a coincidence, I agree that we shouldn't hear from him/her again.  That said, they also need to either quit having the love interests show up solo, too, or make it clear that they broke up between games or something.  Need to cut it out with the whole "S/he is totally the most important person in my life even though s/he's can't be arsed with actually helping me with this super important business I'm on here and I'm not helping him/her with anything, ever, either".

I wouldn't say it was attempt to leave hype ,it was rather simple set up for another game that was saying warden was gone.As for LI i don't necessarily see that as bad thing after all they aren't warden or hawke property , of course then we have another topic on that last thing this series is more old characters returning.About breaking up, i would absolutely love to some romances would end that way to make it more realistic instead going for "eternal love" for every Li ,but after reaction on jacob little thing or even false rumor that leliana slept with josephine bioware won't pull it off.



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I wouldn't say it was attempt to leave hype ,it was rather simple set up for another game that was saying warden was gone.As for LI i don't necessarily see that as bad thing after all they aren't warden or hawke property , of course then we have another topic on that last thing this series is more old characters returning.About breaking up, i would absolutely love to some romances would end that way to make it more realistic instead going for "eternal love" for every Li ,but after reaction on jacob little thing or even false rumor that leliana slept with josephine bioware won't pull it off.

 

I guess for me it's less about being "property" and more about how if my special talent were sticking swords into people, and my freakin' soul mate had something very important to do that involved, or even might involve, sticking swords into people, I would be on top of that **** faster than Bruce Wayne at a chiropterology conference.  It's more about the writers trying to have it both ways.  I'd be fine with either solution, though as you pointed out, I think most of the fandom would simply prefer to just headcanon what their favorite lovers are up to.  And that's fine with me, too (I totally am a headcanon dabbler myself).  But the way the romances have been carried over so far has been...awkward, and I really wish they'd fix that.



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No, it doesn't ,i have already explained why.There is just far better alternative than just cure and the warden knows about it.Even that simple fact that they not only become WC and stay as one doesn't make sense for some wardens as you are given option to play otherwise. No s/he isn't? The warden is pretty much far away from Anderfels , we don't know if disappearance of grey wardens in ferelden have anything to do with the warden ,apparently in last flight there is new warden commander in ferelden and the warden has absolutely nothing to do with grey wardens in orlais. 
 

I never said that the Warden had anything to do with Orlais, only that the events regarding the Wardens as a whole may have had something to do with Corypheus and other events behind the scenes. Well, the HOF is a Warden and was last known to be in Ferelden when the WARDENS disappeared. The Wardens in Ferelden, including the HOF all disappeared around the same time. So there is that obvious connection.

 

Also, if the Warden lives, it is canon that they, regardless of their origin and choices, becomes Warden Commander of Ferelden and remains so throughout DA2 and DA:I in which Last Flight takes place beforehand. Warden Commanders answer to no one but leadership at Weisshaupt and as Commander is in charge of every Warden in the country, so yes, as a high ranking member of the Order they are involved. In Inquisition there is a War Table operation in which the Warden will send a letter of varying content depending on origin and romance but they ALL conclude with a signature of the Warden reaffirming their title and rank as Warden Commander:

 

"To His/Her Worship, Inquisitor [surname]:

...

...

...

Yours,

Warden-Commander [surname] of Ferelden" - http://dragonage.wik...ero_of_Ferelden



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I never said that the Warden had anything to do with Orlais, only that the events regarding the Wardens as a whole may have had something to do with Corypheus and other events behind the scenes. Well, the HOF is a Warden and was last known to be in Ferelden when the WARDENS disappeared. The Wardens in Ferelden, including the HOF all disappeared around the same time. So there is that obvious connection.

 

Also, if the Warden lives, it is canon that they, regardless of their origin and choices, becomes Warden Commander of Ferelden and remains so throughout DA2 and DA:I in which Last Flight takes place beforehand. Warden Commanders answer to no one but leadership at Weisshaupt and as Commander is in charge of every Warden in the country, so yes, as a high ranking member of the Order they are involved. In Inquisition there is a War Table operation in which the Warden will send a letter of varying content depending on origin and romance but they ALL conclude with a signature of the Warden reaffirming their title and rank as Warden Commander:

 

"To His/Her Worship, Inquisitor [surname]:

...

...

...

Yours,

Warden-Commander [surname] of Ferelden" - http://dragonage.wik...ero_of_Ferelden

So why you brought that it in first place?I don't recall anywhere being said the warden disappeared at the same time other wardens did, in fact we don't know even when the warden disappeared in first place.  

 

Sadly that just nasty retcon and outright character breaking on devs part ,pretty much reason why they shouldn't brought up the warden in first place, s/he isn't warden commander in inquisition anymore even if s/he signed as one in first place s/he is far away from ferelden, second as i said in last flight there is new warden commander of ferelden (or at least people on forum were discussing that). Nope, they aren't involved in things in Weisshaupt even if they were still warden commander, they are responsible for wardens in their own country which would be Ferelden not Anderfels.

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I guess for me it's less about being "property" and more about how if my special talent were sticking swords into people, and my freakin' soul mate had something very important to do that involved, or even might involve, sticking swords into people, I would be on top of that **** faster than Bruce Wayne at a chiropterology conference.  It's more about the writers trying to have it both ways.  I'd be fine with either solution, though as you pointed out, I think most of the fandom would simply prefer to just headcanon what their favorite lovers are up to.  And that's fine with me, too (I totally am a headcanon dabbler myself).  But the way the romances have been carried over so far has been...awkward, and I really wish they'd fix that.


The thing was that Bioware relized their screw up in the ending OF DA2 then they simply decided it has no connection which was no doubt a lazy and unimaginative explanation.

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This entire problem could be solved if everyone would just ****** kill their Wardens at the end of DA:O.

 

There. No more plot holes.

 

But nooooooo, can't have that can we? Bioware just has to put in a choice at the end that makes this so goddamn more difficult than it needs to be.



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Well, the HOF is a Warden and was last known to be in Ferelden when the WARDENS disappeared.

 

 

 

What?

so even the others GW of DAA are disappeared too. Orlesian commander included?

this is incredibly ridicoulous,.



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This entire problem could be solved if everyone would just ****** kill their Wardens at the end of DA:O.
 
There. No more plot holes.
 
But nooooooo, can't have that can we? Bioware just has to put in a choice at the end that makes this so goddamn more difficult than it needs to be.


The real problem is that in Awakening there's no way to carry over a world state with a dead Warden and therefore players are actively discouraged from letting their Wardens die.

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This entire problem could be solved if everyone would just ****** kill their Wardens at the end of DA:O.

 

There. No more plot holes.

 

But nooooooo, can't have that can we? Bioware just has to put in a choice at the end that makes this so goddamn more difficult than it needs to be.

HoF and Hawke team up to stop Corypheus, joined by Cory's erstwhile ally Samson.

 

Samson betrays them, and murders Hawke.  The Warden is captured, is magically tortured for information, and isn't heard from again in centuries, where reemerges as the boss to a midlevel dungeon.

 

Better?  :devil:


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Seeing as Leliana didn't stick around for the Awakening DLC, and she did come across as a woman who sleeps around, I always assumed she just split when the getting was good. Simple as that.


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Seeing as Leliana didn't stick around for the Awakening DLC, and she did come across as a woman who sleeps around, I always assumed she just split when the getting was good. Simple as that.

Ummmm..... bullsh*t.  :mellow:

 

Besides, her letter to the HoF in Awakening clearly states why she had to leave his/her side - she was called away by the Divine on an important mission for the Chantry (and Leliana felt she had to do it out of her loyalty and friendship to the Divine).



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So why you brought that it in first place?I don't recall anywhere being said the warden disappeared at the same time other wardens did, in fact we don't know even when the warden disappeared in first place.  

 

Sadly that just nasty retcon and outright character breaking on devs part ,pretty much reason why they shouldn't brought up the warden in first place, s/he isn't warden commander in inquisition anymore even if s/he signed as one in first place s/he is far away from ferelden, second as i said in last flight there is new warden commander of ferelden (or at least people on forum were discussing that). Nope, they aren't involved in things in Weisshaupt even if they were still warden commander, they are responsible for wardens in their own country which would be Ferelden not Anderfels.

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Actually we do, the Warden disappeared at some time during the period between 9:37 and 9:40, as they were already missing by the time that Cassandra arrived at Kirkwall to interrogate Varric, which is roughtly around the time that the time the Nevarran Accord was broken by the Templars. Their still being around in 9:37 can be inferred by Alistair (if King) mentioning them being expected in Denerim.

 

Leliana tells us that the Wardens in Ferelden went dark around six months before Inquisition, which is set in late 9:41, which ties into how the Warden-Ally mentions that the False Calling began about the same time. It is however unclear whether the False Calling affected those outside of Orlais or not, so we don't know whether the Ferelden Wardens closed ranks because they were hit by it as well, or instead were trying their best to figure out what was happening across the border?

 

In the conversation about their being a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden in Last Flight, the Chamberlain also mentions that Clarel hasn't written in a while, which implies that it's either set before the battle at Adamant or that Weisshaupt has yet to recieve news of what happened there... or potentially are keeping it quiet from the masses to prevent any kind of panic from breaking out?

 

As the Warden still refers to themselves as Commander in Inquisition, it's possibly not a retcon, but that the secretive nature of what they were doing meant and lack of contact meant that everyone assumed they'd died and so a replacement was appointed. Hence, the statement that they both are, and are not, the Warden-Commander of Ferelden can be seen to be equally true.

 

It's also possible that perhaps the First Warden (rumoured to be more of a politician than anything else) took advantage of their disappearance to replace them with someone easier to control, since the HOF breaks a lot of the rules about Warden-neutrality on a regular basis. After all, having one rogue Commander in Ferelden was bad enough, but when Clarel went rogue with the larger Orlesian contingent, those back in Weisshaupt might have felt that some housekeeping when it came to the Southern Wardens might have been needed.

 

Another possibility is that First Warden deciding to replace the HOF as Warden-Commander might have been part of the reason for the Wardens in Ferelden going silent, dealing with either an internal power-struggle if the change in leadership was forced, or dealing with the power-vaccuum left by the HOF (and perhaps others) leaving on the quest for the cure, leaving the Wardens left behind rudderless.

 

I personally prefer the idea that the HOF's quest for a cure is going to take a long damn time, if it ever succeeds at all, leaving them out of play for the rest of the franchise. It's far easier for both Bioware and player's canon to align, since it makes the Warden (alive or dead) a non-factor in the story.


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Actually we do, the Warden disappeared at some time during the period between 9:37 and 9:40, as they were already missing by the time that Cassandra arrived at Kirkwall to interrogate Varric, which is roughtly around the time that the time the Nevarran Accord was broken by the Templars. Their still being around in 9:37 can be inferred by Alistair (if King) mentioning them being expected in Denerim.

 

Leliana tells us that the Wardens in Ferelden went dark around six months before Inquisition, which is set in late 9:41, which ties into how the Warden-Ally mentions that the False Calling began about the same time. It is however unclear whether the False Calling affected those outside of Orlais or not, so we don't know whether the Ferelden Wardens closed ranks because they were hit by it as well, or instead were trying their best to figure out what was happening across the border?

 

In the conversation about their being a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden in Last Flight, the Chamberlain also mentions that Clarel hasn't written in a while, which implies that it's either set before the battle at Adamant or that Weisshaupt has yet to recieve news of what happened there... or potentially are keeping it quiet from the masses to prevent any kind of panic from breaking out?

 

As the Warden still refers to themselves as Commander in Inquisition, it's possibly not a retcon, but that the secretive nature of what they were doing meant and lack of contact meant that everyone assumed they'd died and so a replacement was appointed. Hence, the statement that they both are, and are not, the Warden-Commander of Ferelden can be seen to be equally true.

 

It's also possible that perhaps the First Warden (rumoured to be more of a politician than anything else) took advantage of their disappearance to replace them with someone easier to control, since the HOF breaks a lot of the rules about Warden-neutrality on a regular basis. After all, having one rogue Commander in Ferelden was bad enough, but when Clarel went rogue with the larger Orlesian contingent, those back in Weisshaupt might have felt that some housekeeping when it came to the Southern Wardens might have been needed.

 

Another possibility is that First Warden deciding to replace the HOF as Warden-Commander might have been part of the reason for the Wardens in Ferelden going silent, dealing with either an internal power-struggle if the change in leadership was forced, or dealing with the power-vaccuum left by the HOF (and perhaps others) leaving on the quest for the cure, leaving the Wardens left behind rudderless.

 

I personally prefer the idea that the HOF's quest for a cure is going to take a long damn time, if it ever succeeds at all, leaving them out of play for the rest of the franchise. It's far easier for both Bioware and player's canon to align, since it makes the Warden (alive or dead) a non-factor in the story.

 

Eee no we don't?What you said was nothing more but period of time the warden could disappear that counts in years ,so we don't even know year of their disappearance.The warden pretty much could disappear anywhere from 9:37 to 9:40.

 

Ok, but again what does that have anything with HoF?

 

As for retcon what i meant simple fact that the warden stayed with grey wardens despite possibilities to play other way in dao and daa ,pretty much same thing they did with anders.

 

In first place First warden is focused on politicking so i doubt he would care about breaking rules of neutrality as long it benefited him either way no matter of his like/dislike of the warden ,the warden isn't warden commander anymore and even if he was as i said would have no revelance to the problems in Weisshaupt.

 

So in fact HoF had and have little relevance to the events that occur in inquisition.

 

Hardly, easier when they pretty much outright break character for some players by things i mentioned before and that whole cure search that doesn't even make sense for good portion of wardens.



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So why you brought that it in first place?I don't recall anywhere being said the warden disappeared at the same time other wardens did, in fact we don't know even when the warden disappeared in first place.  

 

Sadly that just nasty retcon and outright character breaking on devs part ,pretty much reason why they shouldn't brought up the warden in first place, s/he isn't warden commander in inquisition anymore even if s/he signed as one in first place s/he is far away from ferelden, second as i said in last flight there is new warden commander of ferelden (or at least people on forum were discussing that). Nope, they aren't involved in things in Weisshaupt even if they were still warden commander, they are responsible for wardens in their own country which would be Ferelden not Anderfels.

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You are just going to ignore the evidence I provided? The Warden is revealed to be missing at the very end of DA2 which doesn't take place too far from the beginning of Inquisition where we learn that all the Wardens of Ferelden are missing as well. It's not exactly a stretch to say these events happened at the same time considering all the Wardens lived in the same Keep.

 

Of course the Warden Commander is involved in Weisshaupt. It is there that the Warden leadership for the entire Order resides and from there all Warden Commanders receive their orders. The Warden Commander of Ferelden was also of particular interest to the First Warden as he/she achieved the precedence of owning land in name of the Order, allowing the Wardens to maintain an active public presence outside of a Blight. There where undoubtedly communications, beyond the normal, going on between the two and if not directly via assistants such as Mistress Woolsey, who was sent from Weisshaupt for this very reason.

 

 

What?

so even the others GW of DAA are disappeared too. Orlesian commander included?

this is incredibly ridicoulous,.

This is apparently the case. It is no secret that Vigil's Keep is the Warden stronghold in Ferelden so Leliana and Cassandra would have looked there for the Warden first, as he/she is the Arl/Arlessa. Evidently, not only did they not find the Warden but no Wardens at all, anywhere in Ferelden, which is why they send you to question Blackwall in the first place as he is the only "Warden" in Ferelden they have been able to find.

 

 

Actually we do, the Warden disappeared at some time during the period between 9:37 and 9:40, as they were already missing by the time that Cassandra arrived at Kirkwall to interrogate Varric, which is roughtly around the time that the time the Nevarran Accord was broken by the Templars. Their still being around in 9:37 can be inferred by Alistair (if King) mentioning them being expected in Denerim.

 

Leliana tells us that the Wardens in Ferelden went dark around six months before Inquisition, which is set in late 9:41, which ties into how the Warden-Ally mentions that the False Calling began about the same time. It is however unclear whether the False Calling affected those outside of Orlais or not, so we don't know whether the Ferelden Wardens closed ranks because they were hit by it as well, or instead were trying their best to figure out what was happening across the border?

 

In the conversation about their being a new Warden-Commander in Ferelden in Last Flight, the Chamberlain also mentions that Clarel hasn't written in a while, which implies that it's either set before the battle at Adamant or that Weisshaupt has yet to recieve news of what happened there... or potentially are keeping it quiet from the masses to prevent any kind of panic from breaking out?

 

As the Warden still refers to themselves as Commander in Inquisition, it's possibly not a retcon, but that the secretive nature of what they were doing meant and lack of contact meant that everyone assumed they'd died and so a replacement was appointed. Hence, the statement that they both are, and are not, the Warden-Commander of Ferelden can be seen to be equally true.

 

It's also possible that perhaps the First Warden (rumoured to be more of a politician than anything else) took advantage of their disappearance to replace them with someone easier to control, since the HOF breaks a lot of the rules about Warden-neutrality on a regular basis. After all, having one rogue Commander in Ferelden was bad enough, but when Clarel went rogue with the larger Orlesian contingent, those back in Weisshaupt might have felt that some housekeeping when it came to the Southern Wardens might have been needed.

 

Another possibility is that First Warden deciding to replace the HOF as Warden-Commander might have been part of the reason for the Wardens in Ferelden going silent, dealing with either an internal power-struggle if the change in leadership was forced, or dealing with the power-vaccuum left by the HOF (and perhaps others) leaving on the quest for the cure, leaving the Wardens left behind rudderless.

 

I personally prefer the idea that the HOF's quest for a cure is going to take a long damn time, if it ever succeeds at all, leaving them out of play for the rest of the franchise. It's far easier for both Bioware and player's canon to align, since it makes the Warden (alive or dead) a non-factor in the story.

Inquisition takes place in 9:40 Dragon and ends in 9:41 Dragon. Leliana and Cassandra don't begin to search for the Warden until Divine Justinia calls for the Conclave and orders the construction of another Inquisition. It is then that they find that he/she and the Wardens of Ferelden have gone missing. This takes place at the very end of DA2 which takes place not too long before the beginning of DA:I,  sometime between 9:39 and 9:40 Dragon.



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You are just going to ignore the evidence I provided? The Warden is revealed to be missing at the very end of DA2 which doesn't take place too far from the beginning of Inquisition where we learn that all the Wardens of Ferelden are missing as well. It's not exactly a stretch to say these events happened at the same time considering all the Wardens lived in the same Keep.

 

Of course the Warden Commander is involved in Weisshaupt. It is there that the Warden leadership for the entire Order resides and from there all Warden Commanders receive their orders. The Warden Commander of Ferelden was also of particular interest to the First Warden as he/she achieved the precedence of owning land in name of the Order, allowing the Wardens to maintain an active public presence outside of a Blight. There where undoubtedly communications, beyond the normal, going on between the two and if not directly via assistants such as Mistress Woolsey, who was sent from Weisshaupt for this very reason.

 

 

This is apparently the case. It is no secret that Vigil's Keep is the Warden stronghold in Ferelden so Leliana and Cassandra would have looked there for the Warden first, as he/she is the Arl/Arlessa. Evidently, not only did they not find the Warden but no Wardens at all, anywhere in Ferelden, which is why they send you to question Blackwall in the first place as he is the only "Warden" in Ferelden they have been able to find.

 

 

Inquisition takes place in 9:40 Dragon and ends in 9:41 Dragon. Leliana and Cassandra don't begin to search for the Warden until Divine Justinia calls for the Conclave and orders the construction of another Inquisition. It is then that they find that he/she and the Wardens of Ferelden have gone missing. This takes place at the very end of DA2 which takes place not too long before the beginning of DA:I,  sometime between 9:39 and 9:40 Dragon.

Ignore what evidence? The warden was revealed to be missing then not that s/he disappeared then and that says pretty much nothing outside that the warden was gone by the time "inquisition" tried to find him.We don't even know why other wardens are gone as well pretty much corypheus could just brainwash them and they could end all dead in the temple.  

 

No s/he isn't ,again?Warden Commander of ferelden responds solely for wardens in Ferelden not in Orlais ,not in Anderfels.In fact there is little interaction between first warden and warden commanders in first place as warden commanders pretty much manage order in their country on their own.Also in first place he doesn't care about the warden specifically only about having grey warden that have control over Amaranthine ,what would be in fact done by any warden commander.There was no communication save for "good luck with doing your job, don't count on help and assistance".

 

Da 2 epilogue takes place in 9:40 and inquistion takes place in 9:41 (pretty much bad future that happens 1 year after in late 9:42) and we don't know on what year it ends.    

 

Again so what?



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Inquisition takes place in 9:40 Dragon and ends in 9:41 Dragon.

 

No it doesn't, DAI takes place over a bare minimum of 2 years. People never consider the travel time in DAI, just going from Skyhold to Orlais' capital takes an entire month and then a month back (2 month round trip), and that's with good weather and conditions. And 3 years would probably be a the safer bet, 2 years is the minimum possible.

 

http://forum.bioware...ge-inquisition/



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Ignore what evidence? The warden was revealed to be missing then not that s/he disappeared then and that says pretty much nothing outside that the warden was gone by the time "inquisition" tried to find him.We don't even know why other wardens are gone as well pretty much corypheus could just brainwash them and they could end all dead in the temple.  

 

No s/he isn't ,again?Warden Commander of ferelden responds solely for wardens in Ferelden not in Orlais ,not in Anderfels.In fact there is little interaction between first warden and warden commanders in first place as warden commanders pretty much manage order in their country on their own.Also in first place he doesn't care about the warden specifically only about having grey warden that have control over Amaranthine ,what would be in fact done by any warden commander.There was no communication save for "good luck with doing your job, don't count on help and assistance".

 

Da 2 epilogue takes place in 9:40 and inquistion takes place in 9:41 (pretty much bad future that happens 1 year after in late 9:42) and we don't know on what year it ends.    

 

Again so what?

It seems that we will just have to agree to disagree if you are simply going to ignore all quotes and evidence that don't support your erroneous conclusions.

 

No it doesn't, DAI takes place over a bare minimum of 2 years. People never consider the travel time in DAI, just going from Skyhold to Orlais' capital takes an entire month and then a month back (2 month round trip), and that's with good weather and conditions. And 3 years would probably be a the safer bet, 2 years is the minimum possible.

 

http://forum.bioware...ge-inquisition/

That would make sense if the developers factored in traveling time which they apparently don't. A canon timeline is given in-game. Inquisition begins in 9:40 Dragon and it is revealed during the epilogue that Divine Victoria is elected in 9:41 Dragon giving us the one year time span. http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Divine



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TheKomandorShepard

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It seems that we will just have to agree to disagree if you are simply going to ignore all quotes and evidence that don't support your erroneous conclusions.

 

That would make sense if the developers factored in traveling time which they apparently don't. A canon timeline is given in-game. Inquisition begins in 9:40 Dragon and it is revealed during the epilogue that Divine Victoria is elected in 9:41 Dragon giving us the one year time span. http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Divine

You would have to provide quotes and evidence that warden is involved in any of those and you didn't, as far best you could provide are just assumptions.

 

Also did i missed something because none of epilogues said victoria was chosen in 9:41 and that entry in wiki provides no source.

 

Also inquistion starts in 9:41 as conclave was in 9:41 according to that codex entry (however there is also another codex that conflicts with that one) ,also it mentions it has been year since circle were disbaned and that happened in 9:40. 



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This entire problem could be solved if everyone would just ****** kill their Wardens at the end of DA:O.

 

There. No more plot holes.

 

But nooooooo, can't have that can we? Bioware just has to put in a choice at the end that makes this so goddamn more difficult than it needs to be.

what if they write a codex in the next Dlc in which is revealed that the HoF is dead because a rock fall in his/her head regardless of origin?



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Eee no we don't?What you said was nothing more but period of time the warden could disappear that counts in years ,so we don't even know year of their disappearance.The warden pretty much could disappear anywhere from 9:37 to 9:40.

 

Yes, what I said was that the Warden disappeared between 9:37 and 9:40, which is the only thing we know for certain. There is absolutely no way we can pin down the precise date any further than that span of time. If I'd have to hazard a guess though, the Warden stopped communications at least a year before Inquisition, if Leliana has been without word from them for enough time to become concerned.

 

 

Hardly, easier when they pretty much outright break character for some players by things i mentioned before and that whole cure search that doesn't even make sense for good portion of wardens.

 

Yes, because even having not so much a "cure" as much as a potential way to remove the lethality of the Joining, while keeping the powers gained, isn't something that any Wardens would want to have? No Warden wants to miss out on dying in the Deep Roads instead of their beds, surrounded by children they find it hard to concieve with the darkspawn taint in their system?

 

Even if it's a pipe dream, the idea of a cure is a holy grail for the Wardens. Avernus spent over 200 years attempting to study the taint in order to find some breakthrough that could lead to such a discovery, so the HOF clearly isn't the first (and might not be the last) to go looking for it.

 


Inquisition takes place in 9:40 Dragon and ends in 9:41 Dragon. Leliana and Cassandra don't begin to search for the Warden until Divine Justinia calls for the Conclave and orders the construction of another Inquisition. It is then that they find that he/she and the Wardens of Ferelden have gone missing. This takes place at the very end of DA2 which takes place not too long before the beginning of DA:I,  sometime between 9:39 and 9:40 Dragon.

 

Inquisition starts in 9:41 and supposedly ends by 9:42 (but I'd guess 9:43, at the very latest).

 

We know it must start later than 9:40 as the the Nevarran Accord has been broken and the Mage-Templar war has clearly been going on for some time, hence the reason for Justinia to begin sanctioning the formation of the new Inquistion.

 

Assuming that Cassandra wasn't in error when she gave the two year date since the death of Lambert at the end of Asunder, then one could reconcile that if we assume that she's being figurative, that it's nearly been two years. Since we know that Inquisition starts in late 9:41, that would make sense if Asunder was set in early 9:40.

 

Inquisition being set in late 9:41 can be seen by the fact that winter is approaching, as numerous people in the Hinterlands mention that it's getting colder and many fear the refugees there will starve or freeze to death soon. Similarly, the Dark Future is explicitly stated to be in Harvestmere (the tenth month in the calendar) of 9:42, reinforcing the idea we skipped over an entire year.

 

The end of Inquisition is a little hard to pin down. While Corypheus had gained the army of demons and had Celene assassinated by Harvestmere 9:42 in the Dark Future, at the same time, the Inquisitor was not around to help thwart any of his plans. Our interference might have been the factor that ended up delaying some of Corypheus' plans in the non-Dark Future (regardless of whether we chose the Templar and Mage path) as we were able to successfully steal more than one army away from him that he used in the Dark Future, forcing him to retreat and regroup.

 

While travel times across Thedas are annoying vague, it can't be large enough that it'd add years onto the journey times, as save for natural obstacles such as Lake Calenhad or the Frostbacks, we're dealing with mostly main roads across Ferelden and Orlais to travel along. Orlais is only a problem as the Civil War has disrupted traffic (as we saw in the novels), but that'd only delay people slightly out of the way by a few days or weeks at the most.