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[TheKomandorShepard]

Yes, what I said was that the Warden disappeared between 9:37 and 9:40, which is the only thing we know for certain. There is absolutely no way we can pin down the precise date any further than that span of time. If I'd have to hazard a guess though, the Warden stopped communications at least a year before Inquisition, if Leliana has been without word from them for enough time to become concerned.

 

 

 

Yes, because even having not so much a "cure" as much as a potential way to remove the lethality of the Joining, while keeping the powers gained, isn't something that any Wardens would want to have? No Warden wants to miss out on dying in the Deep Roads instead of their beds, surrounded by children they find it hard to concieve with the darkspawn taint in their system?

 

Even if it's a pipe dream, the idea of a cure is a holy grail for the Wardens. Avernus spent over 200 years attempting to study the taint in order to find some breakthrough that could lead to such a discovery, so the HOF clearly isn't the first (and might not be the last) to go looking for it.

 

 

Inquisition starts in 9:41 and supposedly ends by 9:42 (but I'd guess 9:43, at the very latest).

 

We know it must start later than 9:40 as the the Nevarran Accord has been broken and the Mage-Templar war has clearly been going on for some time, hence the reason for Justinia to begin sanctioning the formation of the new Inquistion.

 

Assuming that Cassandra wasn't in error when she gave the two year date since the death of Lambert at the end of Asunder, then one could reconcile that if we assume that she's being figurative, that it's nearly been two years. Since we know that Inquisition starts in late 9:41, that would make sense if Asunder was set in early 9:40.

 

Inquisition being set in late 9:41 can be seen by the fact that winter is approaching, as numerous people in the Hinterlands mention that it's getting colder and many fear the refugees there will starve or freeze to death soon. Similarly, the Dark Future is explicitly stated to be in Harvestmere (the tenth month in the calendar) of 9:42, reinforcing the idea we skipped over an entire year.

 

The end of Inquisition is a little hard to pin down. While Corypheus had gained the army of demons and had Celene assassinated by Harvestmere 9:42 in the Dark Future, at the same time, the Inquisitor was not around to help thwart any of his plans. Our interference might have been the factor that ended up delaying some of Corypheus' plans in the non-Dark Future (regardless of whether we chose the Templar and Mage path) as we were able to successfully steal more than one army away from him that he used in the Dark Future, forcing him to retreat and regroup.

 

While travel times across Thedas are annoying vague, it can't be large enough that it'd add years onto the journey times, as save for natural obstacles such as Lake Calenhad or the Frostbacks, we're dealing with mostly main roads across Ferelden and Orlais to travel along. Orlais is only a problem as the Civil War has disrupted traffic (as we saw in the novels), but that'd only delay people slightly out of the way by a few days or weeks at the most.

 

Well so as i said we don't know when warden specifically disappeared thus it kills point of another user it had connection to other grey wardens disappearance.

 

I already talked about it with others here. Avernus method is far superior than just removing the calling ,if you remove the calling you would just end with your normal lifespan ,avernus method gave him over 200 years lifespan.Even if it requires blood magic and sacrifice (what we don't know at this point) ,it isn't that every warden would have moral objections as you can pretty much do same things for much less. So pretty much this whole "cure" search is indeed pointless because there is better alternative that the warden knows about.   

 

As for timeline yeah i agree that it happens in 9:41 but devs made huge mess with timeline i would put inquisition start on early/mid 9:41 because cassandra interrogation took place still in 9:40 and then they headed on the conclave after that.I wonder when they will reveal offical timeline 

[Kakistos_]

Inquisition starts in 9:41 and supposedly ends by 9:42 (but I'd guess 9:43, at the very latest).

 

We know it must start later than 9:40 as the the Nevarran Accord has been broken and the Mage-Templar war has clearly been going on for some time, hence the reason for Justinia to begin sanctioning the formation of the new Inquistion.

 

Assuming that Cassandra wasn't in error when she gave the two year date since the death of Lambert at the end of Asunder, then one could reconcile that if we assume that she's being figurative, that it's nearly been two years. Since we know that Inquisition starts in late 9:41, that would make sense if Asunder was set in early 9:40.

 

Inquisition being set in late 9:41 can be seen by the fact that winter is approaching, as numerous people in the Hinterlands mention that it's getting colder and many fear the refugees there will starve or freeze to death soon. Similarly, the Dark Future is explicitly stated to be in Harvestmere (the tenth month in the calendar) of 9:42, reinforcing the idea we skipped over an entire year.

 

The end of Inquisition is a little hard to pin down. While Corypheus had gained the army of demons and had Celene assassinated by Harvestmere 9:42 in the Dark Future, at the same time, the Inquisitor was not around to help thwart any of his plans. Our interference might have been the factor that ended up delaying some of Corypheus' plans in the non-Dark Future (regardless of whether we chose the Templar and Mage path) as we were able to successfully steal more than one army away from him that he used in the Dark Future, forcing him to retreat and regroup.

 

While travel times across Thedas are annoying vague, it can't be large enough that it'd add years onto the journey times, as save for natural obstacles such as Lake Calenhad or the Frostbacks, we're dealing with mostly main roads across Ferelden and Orlais to travel along. Orlais is only a problem as the Civil War has disrupted traffic (as we saw in the novels), but that'd only delay people slightly out of the way by a few days or weeks at the most.

When you travel to the Dark Future in the quest 'In Hushed Whispers' and speak to Fiona, she informs you that you have been gone an entire year stating that the current time is Harvestmere 9:41 Dragon. It is clear then that Inquisition begins in late 9:40 Dragon and ends with Divine Victoria being elected sometime, perhaps late in 9:41 Dragon. http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Divine - scroll to the latest Divine.

 

- Edit -

Correction. Fiona tells you it's 9:42 Dragon. My mistake. Other sources maintain that Divine Victoria was elected in 9:41 Dragon however.

[Aren]

Avernus method is far superior than just removing the calling avernus method gave him over 200 years lifespan less. So pretty much this whole "cure" search is indeed pointless because there is better alternative that the warden knows about.   

 

 

DAI is a total mess in this regard,i believe that the developers regret to have created Avernus

[TheKomandorShepard]

When you travel to the Dark Future in the quest 'In Hushed Whispers' and speak to Fiona, she informs you that you have been gone an entire year stating that the current time is Harvestmere 9:41 Dragon. It is clear then that Inquisition begins in late 9:40 Dragon and ends with Divine Victoria being elected sometime, perhaps late in 9:41 Dragon. http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Divine - scroll to the latest Divine.

She says 9:42

Also as i said for divine i have to yet see source where it was said divine was elected in 9:41.

 

 

DAI is a total mess in this regard,i believe that the developers regret to have created Avernus

Well they screw themselves with that with whole search for cure ,shame they didn't just leave warden fate up to the player.

[Aren]

 

 

Well they screw themselves with that with whole search for cure ,shame they didn't just leave warden fate up to the player.

What i find most ridiculous is the fact that in 1200 years (according to our knowledge) the GW of the world have never tried to cure themselves,and suddenly the mary sue called the HoF is ready to resolve the problem into a nameless land,we do not even know where is the Warden,west, west where?.

seriously  what the  GW do in their free time in between blights? saws at Weisshaupt? They dind't even care about their lifespawn.

[Kakistos_]

She says 9:42

Also as i said for divine i have to yet see source where it was said divine was elected in 9:41.

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Divine - Scroll to the latest Divine.

[TheKomandorShepard]

What i find most ridiculous is the fact that in 1200 years (according to our knowledge) the GW of the world have never tried to cure themselves,and suddenly the mary sue called the HoF is ready to resolve the problem.

seriously in 1200 what have done the GW in their free time in between blights?

To be honest given that GW are rather fanatical order i wouldn't be suprised if such research wouldn't be welcome just to mantain "grey warden for live" and well avernus already succeed in a way ,as he delayed the calling beyond human lifespan.Also possible that morrigan left HoF some clues in witch hunt that would help as i mentioned before , when romanced morrigan mentions that hero is following leads that she gave him.As far it doesn't seem that grey wardens did good job about gathering info about darkspawn as they didn't even know how Broodmothers were being created.

 

 

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Divine - Scroll to the latest Divine.

That is just entry from wiki that is conducted by the fans (everyone can edit and add whatever they want). What i asked for was offical source that this entry on wiki base on , where it was said that divine Victoria was elected in 9:41 in dai ,WoT vol 2 or it was just said by devs?

 

If it is just on wiki pretty much infomation holds no worth.

 

 

 

 

[Aren]

I personally don't mind the idea of my warden being an unseen uber-badass who is an enigmatic legend who's always just doing solo runs everywhere because they don't even need a party anymore. They're not just a person anymore, they're a walking myth of awesome. I'm okay with that.

unseen  ≠badass, in my vocabulary

They are a walking myth among the wandering ghosts. I'm not okay with that,is pretty lame.

[Aren]

To be honest given that GW are rather fanatical order i wouldn't be suprised if such research wouldn't be welcome just to mantain "grey warden for live" and well avernus already succeed in a way ,as he delayed the calling beyond human lifespan.Also possible that morrigan left HoF some clues in witch hunt that would help as i mentioned before , when romanced morrigan mentions that hero is following leads that she gave him.As far it doesn't seem that grey wardens did good job about gathering info about darkspawn as they didn't even know how Broodmothers were being created.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The GW are not fanatical ,they are extreme during blights,and yes for all of their pumpering (the order who know a great deal of Darkspawn)they don't know nothing.

And could we please stop to say that Morrigan is capable to help the warden,she is ignorant regarding the nature of the taint or the black city,she merely left to the warden a book that has no value, she doesn't possess a vast knowledge and is highly overestimated,if i wish to make some progress i will follow Avernus not some meaningless book or advices from Morrigan.

we wish to compare

1)Avernus who has studied for many years and basically already posses the knowledge to allow to the warden to live for 200 years and more,he his even in Ferelden

to

2)Morrigan,who know nothing of the taint and the black city and suggest to you to go into a nameless land far far away?

i think that i will follow Avernus,no doubt.

Morrigan left the book as some sort of apology after the events of DAO(i do not even know where she find that book),she is not so wealthy to have access to books or other luxuries for rich peoples,she is an apostate,to aquire the dalish book she has risked with the Dalish.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

The GW are not fanatical ,they are extreme during blights,and yes for all of their pumpering (the order who know a great deal of Darkspawn)they don't know nothing.

And could we please stop to say that Morrigan is capable to help the warden,she is ignorant regarding the nature of the taint or the black city,she merely left to the warden a book that has no value, she doesn't possess a vast knowledge and is highly overestimated,if i wish to make some progress i will follow Avernus not some meaningless book or advices from Morrigan.

 

They aren't? Well part when they chop person head just because they don't want go through joining must been my dream.I wouldn't say they know nothing they know about darkspawn much more than others and we would have to yet discover what secrets they hold.

 

And how do you know ,she seems have great deal of knowledge about many topics that others don't know about after all she was daugher of flemeth and had access to the lost knowledge.Even simple fact she knew how to save grey warden from dying when facing archdemon makes her know something other wardens had no idea.On what you base that book was useless/has no vaule when you don't even know what that book was?In first place why you assume that following avernus would exclude following leads from the book?     

[Aren]

They aren't? Well part when they chop person head just because they don't want go through joining must been my dream.I wouldn't say they know nothing they know about darkspawn much more than others and we would have to yet discover what secrets they hold.

 

And how do you know ,she seems have great deal of knowledge about many topics that others don't know about after all she was daugher of flemeth and had access to the lost knowledge.Even simple fact she knew how to save grey warden from dying when facing archdemon makes her know something other wardens had no idea.On what you base that book was useless/has no vaule when you don't even know what that book was?In first place why you assume that following avernus would exclude following leads from the book?     

The joining is blood magic (you can even die) and need to be taken as a secret at any cost,if the chantry would come to know it will be dangerous for the GW,especially in the Anderfel that is a very devoted nation they do this for their survival not due to fanatism.

Morrigan doesn't possess vast knowledge she is overrated ,because Flemeth has thought to her the basis and nothing more,(aside from the DR)

Flemeth has always hides her secrets from her.

she doesn't possess remarkable powers in DAO she is an average mage

(solas is a great mage a somniari,or Yavana her sister another somniari)

Avernus is the only one who has developed a method after centuries of research that is completely new and that can be used immediately (powers that Avernus can provide to the warden with his potion) .

The book is useless,has the Warden accomplished something in 10 years by following Morrigan leads?

Answer no.

Then again Avernus method is completely new and belongs to him,it cannot be in others hands and have nothing to do with cure the calling is even better.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

The joining is blood magic (you can even die) and need to be taken as a secret at any cost,if the chantry would come to know it will be dangerous for the GW,especially in the Anderfel that is a very devoted nation they do this for their survival not due to fanatism.

Morrigan doesn't possess vast knowledge she is overrated ,because Flemeth has thought to her the basis and nothing more,(aside from the DR)

Flemeth has always hides her secrets from her.

she doesn't possess remarkable powers in DAO she is an average mage

Avernus is the only one who has developed a method after centuries of research that is completely new and that can be used immediately (powers that Avernus can provide to the warden with his potion) .

The book is useless,has the GW accomplished something in 10 years by following Morrigan leads?

Answer no.

Then again Avernus method is completely new and belongs to him,it cannot be in others hands and have nothing to do with cure the calling is even better.

 

Circle mages know about it and a lot of another people on high-positions and not only.Yes they chop people head to mantain it as "secret" it doesn't change that order is full of fanatics as we can see with clarel and how other warden followed her blindly.

 

Again how do you know what she taught her and what information she acquired after the blight ,she knew about eluvians ,how they work , what they were  ,how to use them and where they lead, what is far beyond basic knowledge.

We don't know what flemeth kept from her and again we don't know what she learnt after blight.

That is not even close to truth by simple fact that she is shapeshifter what is very rare among mages. Two, power has nothing to do with anything here it is simple matter of knowledge.

Avernus found a way to delay the calling and on that it ends ,but he is far from understanding taint and didn't find way to stop the calling completely. Infomations in this book could proivde with useful infomations about taint/blight what wouldn't exclude using avernus knowledge it could just give the warden more pieces to remove the calling.

 

How do you know what the warden accomplished during those 10 years (and that assuming he followed them for those 10 years not started when he disappeared),because im pretty sure it wasn't revealed what they accomplished in the matter of the cure.So pretty much another assumption.

 

Avernus method is based on knowledge to the certain degree about taint but as i said avernus method don't remove the calling it only delays it.That it is better is pretty much deems whole search to remove the calling pointless (what is not revelant here) but if somone wanted remove the calling completly (for whatever reason that don't make sense in that situation) it would require more than current avernus method.

 

So pretty much warden quest is to remove the calling (what avernus never achived) so pretty much the warden could use knowledge about taint from avernus and this book in quest to remove the calling (even if this quest doesn't make sense).    

[Aren]

Circle mages know about it and a lot of another people on high-positions and not only.Yes they chop people head to mantain it as "secret" it doesn't change that order is full of fanatics as we can see with clarel and how other warden followed her blindly.

 

Again how do you know what she taught her and what information she acquired after the blight ,she knew about eluvians ,how they work , what they were  ,how to use them and where they lead, what is far beyond basic knowledge.

We don't know what flemeth kept from her and again we don't know what she learnt after blight.

That is not even close to truth by simple fact that she is shapeshifter what is very rare among mages. Two, power has nothing to do with anything here it is simple matter of knowledge.

Avernus found a way to delay the calling and on that it ends ,but he is far from understanding taint and didn't find way to stop the calling completely. Infomations in this book could proivde with useful infomations about taint/blight what wouldn't exclude using avernus knowledge it could just give the warden more pieces to remove the calling.

 

How do you know what the warden accomplished during those 10 years (and that assuming he followed them for those 10 years not started when he disappeared),because im pretty sure it wasn't revealed what they accomplished in the matter of the cure.So pretty much another assumption.

 

Avernus method is based on knowledge to the certain degree about taint but as i said avernus method don't remove the calling it only delays it.That it is better is pretty much deems whole search to remove the calling pointless (what is not revelant here) but if somone wanted remove the calling completly (for whatever reason that don't make sense in that situation) it would require more than current avernus method.

 

So pretty much warden quest is to remove the calling (what avernus never achived) so pretty much the warden could use knowledge about taint from avernus and this book in quest to remove the calling (even if this quest doesn't make sense).    

Too many points to adress here, 1 at the time

 

-No ones know that in order to become a grey warden you need to swallow Darkspawn and AD blood,what they know is that is often fatal,if the common folk will come to know about this ,it will be a problem for the GW,so either you become one of them if recruited,or either you die,again no ones know that blood magic is involved only in Tevinter blood magic is not a deal.

 

-Regarding Morrigan and specifically on how much knowledge Flemeth has taught to her prior to DAO

 

-Is easy to believe that Flemeth has taught to her little from her  knowledge,there are actually many evidences.

First Morrigan of DAO is young 20-21 years old, in order to develop magic talent you have to wait until you're 10 or 12 years old.

In this short period of time Flemeth has taught to her the basic of the shapeshifting ability.

We know that Morrigan is no healer and is not a blood mage,she has not spent most of the time to learn from books as she imply in her banters in the circles of magi she has spent a great deal of times with animals into the korcary wilds,to improve the shapeshfting ability.

She was ignorant (in both DAO and DAI) about the knowledge of her mother grimore, she has basically misinterpreted the book for almost 10 years.

Evidence of this are implyed by Flemeth in DAI

"listen to the voices they will teach you as i never did"

The only ancient knowledge that Flemeth has passed on Morrigan was the DR,but it was only to use her,all the knowledge that Morrigan has aquired come from personal efforts,not from Flemeth.

 

 

 

 

-Warden and the book

Again the book is not valuable,we do not even know where Morrigan has took that book,or if she has wrote the book personally,for certain the knowledge that come from 1 single book is by far less valuable than the knowledge that comes from a genius mage like Avernus.

Someone who has studied since his childhood into the circle,then with the most forbbiden blood magic with the Wardens,then with the demons ,then experimented on subjects for a century.

Avernus is simply on a completly different level than Morrigan for both experiences and years 

 

 Morrigan only mandatory events:  some of Flemeth knowledge+knowledge that she aquire later on the eluvian and the elven legends (dalish)

 

Avernus mandatory events: graduation at the circle,Mage Warden,experimets with demons and subjects,experiences of 200 years.

is not even a comparision

 

Then again peoples has the tendency to overrated Morrigan knowledge above  the other mages of the cirlces like Finn,Uldred,Vivienne or Wynne, this mages have proven to have nothing to envy to Morrigan,is the contrary.

 

-Finn is a genius he has located the eluvian and he has aquired vast knowledge from the great collections of book of the cirlces as well as the ancient statue and most important from discussions with others mages

 (something that Morrigan has never done in her lonliness)

 

-Uldred is a pride demon who lives from century and a master of the circle

 

-Wynne is a great healer and a senior enchanter she is a master in the spiritual magic school.

 

Then again people then to overrated characters because they have more in-screen time, but this is not the case there are plenty of mages who were by far more knowledgable than the party members 

(Uldred,the baroness,Cladrius ecc.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Too many points to adress here, 1 at the time

 

-No ones know that in order to become a grey warden you need to swallow Darkspawn and AD blood,what they know is that is often fatal,if the common folk will come to know about this ,it will be a problem for the GW,so either you become one of them if recruited,or either you die,again no ones know that blood magic is involved only in Tevinter blood magic is not a deal.

 

-Regarding Morrigan and specifically on how much knowledge Flemeth has taught to her prior to DAO

 

-Is easy to believe that Flemeth has taught to her little from her  knowledge,there are actually many evidences.

First Morrigan of DAO is young 20-21 years old, in order to develop magic talent you have to wait until you're 10 or 12 years old.

In this short period of time Flemeth has taught to her the basic of the shapeshifting ability.

We know that Morrigan is no healer and is not a blood mage,she has not spent most of the time to learn from books as she imply in her banters in the circles of magi she has spent a great deal of times with animals into the korcary wilds,to improve the shapeshfting ability.

She was ignorant (in both DAO and DAI) about the knowledge of her mother grimore, she has basically misinterpreted the book for almost 10 years.

Evidence of this are implyed by Flemeth in DAI

"listen to the voices they will teach you as i never did"

The only ancient knowledge that Flemeth has passed on Morrigan was the DR,but it was only to use her,all the knowledge that Morrigan has aquired come from personal efforts,not from Flemeth.

 

 

 

 

-Warden and the book

Again the book is not valuable,we do not even know where Morrigan has took that book,or if she has wrote the book personally,for certain the knowledge that come from 1 single book is by far less valuable than the knowledge that comes from a genius mage like Avernus.

Someone who has studied since his childhood into the circle,then with the most forbbiden blood magic with the Wardens,then with the demons ,then experimented on subjects for a century.

Avernus is simply on a completly different level than Morrigan for both experiences and years 

 

 Morrigan only mandatory events:  some of Flemeth knowledge

 

Avernus mandatory events: graduation at the circle,Mage Warden,experimets with demons and subjects,experiences of 200 years.

is not even a comparision

 

Then again peoples has the tendency to overrated Morrigan knowledge above  the other mages of the cirlces like Finn,Uldred,Vivienne or Wynne, this mages have proven to have nothing to envy to Morrigan,is the contrary.

 

-Finn is a genius he has located the eluvian and he has aquired vast knowledge from the great collections of book of the cirlces as well as the ancient statue and most important from discussions with others mages

 (something that Morrigan has never done in her lonliness)

 

-Uldred is a pride demon who lives from century and a master of the circle

 

-Wynne is a great healer and a senior enchanter she is a master in the spiritual magic school.

 

Then again people then to overrated characters because they have more in-screen time, but this is not the case there are plenty of mages who were by far more knowledgable than the party members 

(Uldred,the baroness,Cladrius ecc.)

 

 

-False if circle mages prepared it they have to know it is blood magic ,just drinking blood wouldn't make it blood magic...

 

-We don't know morrigan age as it was never given ,if i recall there was comment by DG that she was 28 or 30 but i could have mixed up things.Also as i said her magical power has nothing to do with knowledge and given she was with flemeth since she remembers even in at age 20 she could be given a significant knowledge and she was given it pretty much as she was only one who could read flemeth grimoire.

 

OK so what she is no blood mage (what is actually false as DR involved blood magic so she count as blood mage) and healer (what also may be actually false given the warden can stab her) so you require to be blood mage or healer to have knowledge?Also again fact she can read grimoire ,have vast knowledge about eluvians and possibly even about poisons shows she was learning far more than just shapeshfting and practical magic.

 

She didn't misinterpreted book because she knew what was written in it as she knew about flemeth bodyswap ritual what she misinterpreted is flemeth intentions (what is still debatable given we didn't know flemeth intentions).Please show me a part that says flemeth taught her only DR what is simple false as she taught her for example as i said how to read grimoire. 

 

-LoL you have no idea what this book even is and yet scream it has no worth funny.Pretty much this could have been flemeth book about blight/taint and darkspawn and such thing could have huge value ,im pretty sure it had value given it was something important for every warden.

 

Again ,you have no idea what full extent of knowledge morrigan has about blight/taint and darkspawn ,once again fact she knew how to save grey warden from dying to archdemon makes her know something grey wardens including avernus don't know just because she had flemeth knowledge. 

 

"graduation at the circle" what is pretty much nothing comparing to knowledge flemeth has hell the warden can best student in the circle and yet has pretty much very little knowledge about darkspawn. 

 

Eee, you know that morrigan not only located but has launched eluvian with having knowledge where it leads to?Pretty much she did everything finn have done and more just alone when finn had the warden help.

 

Lol, Ulred was destroyed and possessed by pride demon morrigan wasn't, that simple fact makes morrigan better than uldred.

 

What makes her good at her specialization and combat (so is morrigan otherwise she wouldn't be in this party) outside of that wynne has no feats especially in terms of outsanding knowledge like morrigan.

 

LoL and how Cladrius or Uldred were more knowledgeable in first place those guys didn't show any knowledge both were nothing more but blood mages.

 

So yes pretty much we barely know what flemeth taught her and what knowledge she acquired after the blight. 

[Aren]

-False if circle mages prepared it they have to know it is blood magic ,just drinking blood wouldn't make it blood magic...

 

-We don't know morrigan age as it was never given ,if i recall there was comment by DG that she was 28 or 30 but i could have mixed up things.Also as i said her magical power has nothing to do with knowledge and given she was with flemeth since she remembers even in at age 20 she could be given a significant knowledge and she was given it pretty much as she was only one who could read flemeth grimoire.

 

OK so what she is no blood mage (what is actually false as DR involved blood magic so she count as blood mage) and healer (what also may be actually false given the warden can stab her) so you require to be blood mage or healer to have knowledge?Also again fact she can read grimoire ,have vast knowledge about eluvians and possibly even about poisons shows she was learning far more than just shapeshfting and practical magic.

 

She didn't misinterpreted book because she knew what was written in it as she knew about flemeth bodyswap ritual what she misinterpreted is flemeth intentions (what is still debatable given we didn't know flemeth intentions).Please show me a part that says flemeth taught her only DR what is simple false as she taught her for example as i said how to read grimoire. 

 

-LoL you have no idea what this book even is and yet scream it has no worth funny.Pretty much this could have been flemeth book about blight/taint and darkspawn and such thing could have huge value ,im pretty sure it had value given it was something important for every warden.

 

Again ,you have no idea what full extent of knowledge morrigan has about blight/taint and darkspawn ,once again fact she knew how to save grey warden from dying to archdemon makes her know something grey wardens including avernus don't know just because she had flemeth knowledge. 

 

"graduation at the circle" what is pretty much nothing comparing to knowledge flemeth has hell the warden can best student in the circle and yet has pretty much very little knowledge about darkspawn. 

 

Eee, you know that morrigan not only located but has launched eluvian with having knowledge where it leads to?Pretty much she did everything finn have done and more just alone when finn had the warden help.

 

Lol, Ulred was destroyed and possessed by pride demon morrigan wasn't, that simple fact makes morrigan better than uldred.

 

What makes her good at her specialization and combat (so is morrigan otherwise she wouldn't be in this party) outside of that wynne has no feats especially in terms of outsanding knowledge like morrigan.

 

LoL and how Cladrius or Uldred were more knowledgeable in first place those guys didn't show any knowledge both were nothing more but blood mages.

 

So yes pretty much we barely know what flemeth taught her and what knowledge she acquired after the blight. 

-1 i was refering to the common folk,GW has to protect their secrets otherwise their survival would be mined,this invalidate your first statement and by the way mages help them with the lyrium few of them,only few of them, again they are not fanatic not by any means they are a well respected order.

 

 

-2 again false, Morrigan is not a blood mage,know few spell that involve blood magic doesn't qualify you as a blood mage and no she is not healer as she state personally after ostagar in her house,Flemeth is the healer.

Morrigan main ability are based on Shapeshifting.

 

 

 

-3 false she misinterpreted the book according to Yavana the silent grove , Flemeth, and the voices of the well (Word of Gaider here) sorry if it contradicts your headcanon

 

 

-4 false Uldred is a a fusion with a pride demon like the baroness (he is not possesed) that basically have lived for nearly centuries(the pride demon) he is by far more hard to kill than Morrigan,if the warden manage to kill uldred is just because is the mary sue protected by the plot shield of the game.

to defeat Uldred on Nightmare you have to suffer and pierce him hundred of times with a big sword,to defeat Morrigan in WH just press one button with a little knife

again pride demons are above mortals,if the warden can kill them is because is a mary sue,and watch the movie with cassandra to see a pride demon in action

 

 

 

-5 Caladrius is an expert tevinter mage  with years of experiences,tevinter mages are the best that Thedas can offer,if the warden can kill them is because is a mary sue.,is the warden who kill them all in DAO because is the only character who is present as a mandatory event not Morrigan 

4 people vs Tevinter mages plus 30-35 guards very realistic

 

 

-6 the book as no value because as i said the calling quest is triggered even without playng WH like in my case and can be intoduced by both Alistair and Leliana not only Morrigan.

 

 

 

7 you know that Merril has rebuild from scratch an eluvian?

From scratch a tainted and ruined eluvian,that was perfectly functional in the end.

Do i believe that she is a great mage because she play with eluvian?

No.

 

 

8 warden deafeted Morrigan easily in WH, her health is by far less than Uldred or the baroness these are monsters if you didn't noticed yet again Warden is a mary sue is useless to use s/he as an example and is the warden who defeat

Cladrius,Uldred,Flemeth ecc. and pretty much everyone in DAO due to plot shield not Morrigan ,the Warden.

 

Thanks and play again.

[TheKomandorShepard]

-1 i was refering to the common folk,GW has to protect their secrets otherwise their survival would be mined,this invalidate your first statement and by the way mages help them with the lyrium few of them,only few of them, again they are not fanatic not by any means they are a well respected order.

 

 

-2 again false, Morrigan is not a blood mage,know few spell that involve blood magic doesn't qualify you as a blood mage and no she is not healer as she state personally after ostagar in her house,Flemeth is the healer.

Morrigan main ability are based on Shapeshifting.

 

 

 

-3 false she misinterpreted the book according to Yavana the silent grove (Word of Gaider here) sorry if it contradicts your headcanon

 

 

-4 false Uldred is a a fusion with a pride demon (he is not possesed) that basically have lived for nearly centuries she is by far more hard to kill than Morrigan,if the warden manage to kill uldred is just because is the mary sue protected by the plot shield of the game.

 

 

 

-5 Caladrius is an expert tevinter mage  with years of experiences,tevinter mages are the best that Thedas can offer,if the warden can kill them is because is a mary sue.,is the warden who kill them all not Morrigan again because plot shield

4 people vs Tevinter mages plus 30-35 guards very realistic

 

 

-6 the book as no value because as i said the calling quest is triggered even without playng WH like in my case

Thanks and play again.

 

1.What doesn't change fact they chop your head off because their creed says so , lol and what is that argument that they aren't fanatics they are well respected order?Lol, as well you could say they aren't fanatics they have white teeth.Templars are well-respected (were) as well didn't change fact many of them were fanatics ,if not majority.

 

2.Yes it does ,jowan was labeled as blood mage because he used blood magic once as he admits to you ,any mage that used use even 1 blood magic spell is labeled as blood mage ,knowledge of more spells changes only on that how skilled blood mage you are.And so what that her specialization is shapeshifer doesn't not exclude fact that she knows blood magic spells as it doesn't exclude wynne from knowing elemental spells.

 

3.False but on your part Yavana doesn't say she misinterpreted the book only that she misinterpreted meaning of the ritual (that in fact existed as morrigan have claimed) by saying that was "gift" ,what could pretty much mean anything.

 

4.Facepalm ,uldred was circle mage he was gone after he was possessed by pride demon ,what we deal with in dao is pride abomination not uldred... and in fact all it did was creating more abomnations and eventually it would killed when RoA was invoked ,and pretty much all protagonists killed pride abomnations and even done by wynne in asunder.

 

5.You are making things up ,first Caladrius is a slaver blood mage ,not a master of magic and no being tevinter mage doesn't make you better mage than being mage anywhere else, yes he has years of expirence so pretty much morrigan ,wynne and hundreds of others mages we see.And where i said morrigan killed them anyway morrigan could take part in killing them.

 

6.Yes book has no vaule because you say so and if you say  morrigan is lesbian then morrigan is lesbian.To your knowledge events in dlc happen regardless you played it or not.

[Aren]

This is really what you have come up with in this last response?

No wonder if anyone has already disagree with you in this topic

If your proof are not corroborated by mandatory events is not worth to replay to my post,i want mandatory examples.

Each of your points doesn't make any sense, they even contradict word of Gaider particularly the n 3

have you listen to the absurdity of your 1 and 6 point?

Morrigan can even be dismissed at Lothering this possibility immediately invalidate your points,yes is a choice recognized even in the keep and DAI.

If my warden don't go to search Morrigan in WH is never happened period,she still go into the mirror, each warden is different.

The GW are fanatics?The only one in being fanatic here is you.

i'm done here.

bye.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

 

If your proof are not corroborated by mandatory events is not worth to replay to my post,i want mandatory examples.

Each of your points doesn't make any sense, they even contradict word of Gaider particularly the n 3

have you listen to the absurdity of your 1 and 6 point?

Morrigan can even be dismissed at Lothering this possibility immediately invalidate your points,yes is a choice recognized even in the keep and DAI.

If my warden don't go to search Morrigan in WH is never happened period,she still go into the mirror, each warden is different.

The GW are fanatics?The only one in being fanatic here is you.

i'm done here.

bye.

 

Yes mandatory examples of what ,and what contradicted of what words of Gaider because you gave none.

 

Also there is no absurdity in my first and sitxth point it was rather pointing absurdity of your argument that they were refering to.

 

That morrgan can be dissmised at lothering doesn't invalidate any of my points  ,because it pretty much has nothing to do with morrigan having knowledge given by flemeth and morrigan obtaining knowledge after the blight.  

 

Yes it does happen as well daa happens regardles you played it or not ,pretty much from what i know events from witch hunt are writen in WoT. 

[Czech Republic player]

Hi, sorry for my English, I am from the Czech Republic and out of school for a very long time.

 

In my opinion it is a problem for many fans not to have their favourite Hero of Ferelden in Dragon Age sequels. So, remember Dragon Age 3 where you can create complete new visual design of the Hawke? It is dangerously possible not to have him/her the same as we have in the Dragon Age II and still we live with that. This means that with visual appearance of the Warden in Dragon Age 4 can´t be a problem, BioWare can use the same method of portrayal the Warden as in the case of Hawke.

 

The voice is the only one problem I see, because there were many voice actors and some of them are dead now (Robin Sachs, also voice of the king Harrowmont). I think this problem isn´t so huge as it looks like, they can simple put one, two random voice actors for the Warden and it will work. It will definitely work, anyway our Hero of Ferelden was during the journey almost VOICELESS, so fans of the Dragon Age saga will become accustomed to it. BioWare can simply untie Warden´s tongue. The idea to MISS OUT the Hero of Ferelden in Dragon Age 2, 3 and even 4 is in my opinion MORE WORSE than make him/her back in this way. What we are talking about? Anyway Hawke in Dragon Age 3 is not the same as he/she looks like in Dragon Age 2 and this is nowadays a minimal problem for us.

 

But there is one more detail that corrupt the euphoria from the game for Dragon Age saga fans. Where are our heroes from Dragon Age 1 and 2? Some of them are only guest and many of them are only mentioned!!!!! I think that BioWare are supposed to do more place for Alistair (no doubt, he is number one in the Origins) and for Hawke as well as give us some main characters back, it is somewhat empty to learning permanently new strange characters and to be casting away old well-known heroes. Maybe they could be also only guest characters, but give as many as you can back please!!!! Or we are suppose to forget all our favourite characters and to learn new strangers? This is a big mistake, I don´t like that and who likes it? Every episode new unknown people...

 

Maybe Alistair, Hawke, Hero of Ferelden and the Inquisitor could be main characters fot the fourth episode of the Dragon Age Saga. BioWare could make some grand finale with most favourite characters for its fans for the God´s sake! Anyway it is no problem if Alistair is king or simply a knight, but making him a guest again or casting him away is the wrongest way I think.... no, no, that I wouldn´t recommend... bad way... He is TOO FAVOURITE, fans love him!!! But primarily do not kill the Hero of Ferelden! Revive him/her for us, this problem with non-existence of the legendary Warden is corrupting the mythological euphoria for the true fans of the saga!!!!!

 

I am very curious what the BioWare will come with! But I am worried that they will do illogical easy nonsense that will make us dissapointed :-( In my oppinion they do the game FOR US, for their fans who pay the price of the game and we want to something made!!! Do you remember how Cassandra wished and hoped to Varric had written a new book a good sequel of her favourite story for her in the Dragon Age 3?

 

BIOWARE PLEASE HEAR OUR WISHES!!!!! I call you from the other country!!!!!

 

Do not cast away the Hero of Ferelden, Alistair, Hawke and the Inquisitor, P L E A S E !! !! ! !!!

 

Wenceslas, your faithful fan of the Dragon Age saga from the Czech Republic

[Aren]

n3 is full of absurdity and it contradict Flemeth words,Yavana(silent grove ) and the well of sorrow(only with the voices of the well she has realized her stupid mistake),she misinterpreted the book for 10 years 

" this really tell much of her knowledge ".

One of your point was Morrigan being more powerful than Boss elite mage like Uldred fused with a pride demon,is not even remotely the case,there is even a direct comparison,defeat Uldred require efforts,defeat Morrigan require nothing but a knife and 1 single hit,Pride demons are above mortals in both knowledge and power.

 WH events  are not mandatory if you don't even pick the choice in the keep like me,Morrigan simply say that she and the warden have parted on poor terms

(redcliffe,to never be see again) the book is not important, is not mandatory for the quest of the HoF who can begin even without it.

[Dai Grepher]

Avernus' method is not superior. It requires that you be a Grey Warden already, which is a risk itself. It also requires the sacrifice of an unknown number of Wardens. Or perhaps that was just for the research and he can now create the concoction without more sacrifices, but I seriously doubt that. Also, this extends your life span in the hundreds of years, which isn't the purpose of a cure. Some would not want this. Also, you will still eventually succumb to the taint. So it isn't actually a cure at all.

 

The cure, if it exists, will remove the taint completely. That is what is considered a cure. This cure would apply not only to the Grey Wardens, but to the average victim who becomes sick with the taint. In this way, the cure could be administered to people in bulk and their lives would be saved every time. This is opposed to the Joining, which will kill many of those who would be sick. The cure might also work on tainted creatures, or perhaps even ghouls. Or it might just end their miserable existences. Who knows, the cure might also purify blighted lands. It might even cleanse the Black City some day.

 

So yes, the cure is clearly better. And it could still make sense if it is found in a land that has never known the darkspawn. If the cure works as some sort of super cure that cleanses the body of every type of corruption imaginable, then this makes perfect sense. The cure might work based on both the physical and the magical, which is what I suspect the taint is at its core.

 

But what remains to be seen is how the cure works. It might be something that reverts the body to a previous state. Or it might be some natural phenomenon that can't be transported or collected, like a wellspring or a cave.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

n3 is full of absurdity and it contradict Flemeth words,Yavana(silent grove ) and the well of sorrow(only with the voices of the well she has realized her stupid mistake),she misinterpreted the book for 10 years 

" this really tell much of her knowledge ".

One of your point was Morrigan being more powerful than Boss elite mage like Uldred fused with a pride demon,is not even remotely the case,there is even a direct comparison,defeat Uldred require efforts,defeat Morrigan require nothing but a knife and 1 single hit,Pride demons are above mortals in both knowledge and power.

 WH events  are not mandatory if you don't even pick the choice in the keep like me,Morrigan simply say that she and the warden have parted on poor terms

(redcliffe,to never be see again) the book is not important, is not mandatory for the quest of the HoF who can begin even without it.

 

 

Boy, you are so making stuff up that it hurts

 

I already explained what i yavana said and what she said is that ritual was gift ,and flemeth claimed she couldn't forced on her unwillingly , voices said nothing on it what voices said is confirmation that flemeth carries mythal...  What doesn't not change simple fact that she misinterpreted purpose of the ritual doesn't affect her knowledge on taint nor that flemeth taught her how to read grimoire.

 

I said no such thing  ,i literally said knowledge and power are 2 things in my posts and yet you ignored that ,and hardly, if that was true no mage  could defeat an abomnation.

 

You can't not to pick choice in keep in first place (again with making up things)... , choices in keep are already determined on the start you only can change them, so no that you don't change choices from daa doesn't mean it didn't happen. And again events from witch hunt are in WoT and you have no idea what this book is .

 

 

Avernus' method is not superior. It requires that you be a Grey Warden already, which is a risk itself. It also requires the sacrifice of an unknown number of Wardens. Or perhaps that was just for the research and he can now create the concoction without more sacrifices, but I seriously doubt that. Also, this extends your life span in the hundreds of years, which isn't the purpose of a cure. Some would not want this. Also, you will still eventually succumb to the taint. So it isn't actually a cure at all.

 

The cure, if it exists, will remove the taint completely. That is what is considered a cure. This cure would apply not only to the Grey Wardens, but to the average victim who becomes sick with the taint. In this way, the cure could be administered to people in bulk and their lives would be saved every time. This is opposed to the Joining, which will kill many of those who would be sick. The cure might also work on tainted creatures, or perhaps even ghouls. Or it might just end their miserable existences. Who knows, the cure might also purify blighted lands. It might even cleanse the Black City some day.

 

So yes, the cure is clearly better. And it could still make sense if it is found in a land that has never known the darkspawn. If the cure works as some sort of super cure that cleanses the body of every type of corruption imaginable, then this makes perfect sense. The cure might work based on both the physical and the magical, which is what I suspect the taint is at its core.

 

But what remains to be seen is how the cure works. It might be something that reverts the body to a previous state. Or it might be some natural phenomenon that can't be transported or collected, like a wellspring or a cave.

It is , in first place as i said many times there is nothing that suggests it is cure for a taint and it is for everyone ,also we don't know what it requires now.Well their call do you want long life or do you want short life ,if you want die you can just kill yourself when you are 100 year old nothing stops you. And yes it isn't cure ,but again it pretty much removes point for having "cure" and by that as far is removing the calling as it moves the calling beyond human lifespan.

 

As far we know target for now is to remove the calling nothing more. 

 

Cure would be only better for people that were tained once again you would have to assume the warden cared about them.

 

 

Bottom line:  your GW PC disappears forever after DAO no matter what you do?  If that's the case, then what's the point of Morrigan's ritual?

So he and another warden can live, as well you could have asked why bother to save elves in alienage if they don't show up in another products.

 

 

[Deadly dwarf]

Bottom line:  your GW PC disappears forever after DAO no matter what you do?  If that's the case, then what's the point of Morrigan's ritual?

[robertthebard]

Bottom line:  your GW PC disappears forever after DAO no matter what you do?  If that's the case, then what's the point of Morrigan's ritual?

There isn't one, because it was an optional thing, and some people opted out, and BW opted to not make it canon.

The thing that's mystifying me is the lack of codex entries that Avernus' potion extends your lifespan, or cures anything related to the taint? It's an interesting back and forth based entirely on conjecture, and the workings of a self professed blood mage, who states something to the effect that he'd found a way to extend his life, and all of a sudden, we're led to believe on the BSN that's through his potion. Anyone have anything besides "that's what I believe"?

[TheKomandorShepard]

There isn't one, because it was an optional thing, and some people opted out, and BW opted to not make it canon.

The thing that's mystifying me is the lack of codex entries that Avernus' potion extends your lifespan, or cures anything related to the taint? It's an interesting back and forth based entirely on conjecture, and the workings of a self professed blood mage, who states something to the effect that he'd found a way to extend his life, and all of a sudden, we're led to believe on the BSN that's through his potion. Anyone have anything besides "that's what I believe"?

There is to keep the warden and another warden alive , that you don't see elves you saved in alienage doesn't mean it is pointless. 

 

Well ,no one said about it being potion but either way he found way to delay the calling and extend lifespan ,as for evidence well, he was still alive and wasn't ghoul.