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[robertthebard]

Well ,no one said about it being potion but either way he found way to delay the calling and extend lifespan ,as for evidence well, he was still alive and wasn't ghoul.

...and how much of that was passed on to the Warden? Mine got none, in any of about 20 playthroughs. So do we have some actual evidence, that thing you insist others provide, to support the Warden is now somehow immortal if they drank Avernus' potion, since that's the only real option available to a Warden. In so far as I was led to believe, the potion unlocks some taint related abilities, but immortality wasn't one of them.

[TheKomandorShepard]

...and how much of that was passed on to the Warden? Mine got none, in any of about 20 playthroughs. So do we have some actual evidence, that thing you insist others provide, to support the Warden is now somehow immortal if they drank Avernus' potion, since that's the only real option available to a Warden. In so far as I was led to believe, the potion unlocks some taint related abilities, but immortality wasn't one of them.

What you are talking about... where i did say that warden is immortal because they drank avernus potion... im pretty much sure in my post i said we don't know if potion had this effect as there was no information on that.Avernus is still alive after the blight (if you didn't kill him obviously) and in contact with HoF if allowed to continue    so pretty much s/he had access to his knowledge in those cases.

[robertthebard]

What you are talking about... where i did say that warden is immortal because they drank avernus potion... im pretty much sure in my post i said we don't know if potion had this effect as there was no information on that.Avernus is still alive after the blight (if you didn't kill him obviously) and in contact with HoF if allowed to continue    so pretty much s/he had access to his knowledge in those cases.

So I'm curious then, why it's been at, or near the heart of the discussion for about 10 pages, if, as far as anyone knows, it has nothing to do with a surviving HoF being out looking for a cure? If it's supposed to make a cure unneeded, then some codex entries stating something to that effect would be nice. If not, how about just letting the debate about "I think", "No, I think" die?

[Aren]

Bottom line:  your GW PC disappears forever after DAO no matter what you do?  If that's the case, then what's the point of Morrigan's ritual?

Question of the year.

Nothing is pointless,  the Warden is out of the picture "far far away they say into a nameless land which is not even there" and the ritual is "nullified" as plot point,either the warden die and become a codex entry,or either the warden will survive and become a codex entry,this is Bioware policy,different choices=same outcome.

[TheKomandorShepard]

So I'm curious then, why it's been at, or near the heart of the discussion for about 10 pages, if, as far as anyone knows, it has nothing to do with a surviving HoF being out looking for a cure? If it's supposed to make a cure unneeded, then some codex entries stating something to that effect would be nice. If not, how about just letting the debate about "I think", "No, I think" die?

Pretty much this disscusion started on me saying that for some warden this whole search for cure doesn't even make sense, because as i said avernus found way to delay the calling far beyond human lifespan so removing the calling is pretty much pointless.Pretty it can be summarized with avernus giving you 2 apples you ignore him and go search for 1 apple.

[Aren]

 

 

 

I already explained what i yavana said and what she said is that ritual was gift ,and flemeth claimed she couldn't forced on her unwillingly , voices said nothing on it what voices said is confirmation that flemeth carries mythal...  What doesn't not change simple fact that she misinterpreted purpose of the ritual doesn't affect her knowledge on taint nor that flemeth taught her how to read grimoire.

 

 

you insist ,Morrigan was wrong the whole time about the 1st Grimoire she misinterpreted the book, stop with the absurdity,she believe until the end that Flemeth Want to possess her body,

"you will not have me and you will not have my  son"

 is like to talk with  donkeys.

i'm out.

[Aren]

 removing the calling is pretty much pointless.Pretty it can be summarized with avernus giving you 2 apples you ignore him and go search for 1 apple.

again you insist, is not removing the calling,the cure is meant to remove the taint from the Warden,the calling is just the final stage of a disease that will ruin the body of the Wardens.

Their body cannot resist forever to the taint and what Avernus did is to use blood magic to control the influence of the taint in his body.

the calling is just an alarm that warn the wardens in which they know that their body are too tainted, not the disease.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

you insist ,Morrigan was wrong the whole time about the 1st Grimoire she misinterpreted the book, stop with the absurdity,she believe until the end that Flemeth Want to possess her body,

"you will not have me and you will not have  son"

 is like to talk with  donkeys.

i'm out.

 

Hm i insist on what? Pretty much everything i said in my previous is true and correcting your statements and orginal point was that morrigan didn't misinterpreted book only flemeth intentions ,that we still in fact don't know and all we have is flemeth saying that soul can't be passed unwillingly and yavana saying ritual was a gift.And once again has nothing to do with her knowledge on certain topics.

 

 

again you insist, is not removing the calling,the cure is meant to remove the taint from the Warden,the calling is just the final stage of a disease that will ruin the body of the Wardens.

Their body cannot resist forever to the taint and what Avernus did is to use blood magic to control the influence of the taint in his body.

the calling is just an alarm that warn the wardens in which they know that their body are too tainted, not the disease.

And yet again i have to explain it to you ,there is nothing about removing the taint is is said only about removing the calling.And again removing the calling would mean removing point when taint starts turn warden into ghoul (as it is reason of the calling) and by that negating negative effects taint takes on warden body so pretty much removing the calling would mean acquiring by grey warden immunity on negative effects that come with taint.  

[Aren]

 

And yet again i have to explain it to you ,there is nothing about removing the taint said only about removing the calling.And again removing the calling would mean removing point when taint starts turn warden into ghoul (as it is reason of the calling) and by that negating negative effects taint takes on warden body so pretty much removing the calling would mean acquiring by grey warden immunity on negative effects that come with taint.  

The calling is not a problem,the calling are the voices of the old gods,if every old gods will be killed the calling would cease to exist.

however the GW will continue to succumb to their taint.

Avernus words

"the taint is a poison and the actual joining ritual is raw,if i could isolate the true power of the taint and removing at the same time the poison that comes with it.."

The taint is a poison who ruins the lands,the bodies and every living creatures,if the GW resist is only because the lyrium dramatically slow the process.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

The calling is not a problem,the calling are the voices of the old gods,if every old gods will be killed the calling would cease to exist.

however the GW will continue to succumb to their taint.

Avernus words

"the taint is a poison and the actual joining ritual is raw,if i could isolate the true power of the taint and removing at the same time the poison that comes with it.."

The taint is a poison who ruins the lands,the bodies and every living creatures,if the GW resist is only because the lyrium dramatically slow the process.

 

The calling is the problem lol ,the calling is the stage when warden begins to lose to the taint and turn into ghoul , it is consequence of turning into ghoul and succumbing to the negative effect that come with taint.

If the calling never comes (read stage the warden begins succumb to the blight) they won't trun into ghoul.Pretty much even your quote talks about removing "poisonous" effects of the taint while maintaining taint and powers it give grey warden... 

[Aren]

there is a wall here....

The joining is fatal because the taint is a poison,the taint is the problem not the calling who are the voices.

when people are infected they die for the poisonous effect of the taint not because of the voices .

Again even if you kill all the old gods the GW will continue to succumb to their taint because is a poison and the voices are only a consequences.

the taint is the disease not the voices.

 continue to believe what you want to believe (which is obviously untrue)

and with this i'm done waste time with a wall is pointless.

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

there is a wall here....

The joining is fatal because the taint is a poison,the taint is the problem not the calling who are the voices.

when people are infected they die for the poisonous effect of the taint not because of the voices .

Again even if you kill all the old gods the GW will continue to succumb to their taint because is a poison and the voices are only a consequences.

the taint is the disease not the voices.

 continue to believe what you want to believe (which is obviously untrue)

and with this i'm done waste time with a wall is pointless.

 

The calling isn't the voices... voices are only signaling the calling and effect of it ,same for nightmares...

Once again the calling is the time where grey warden starts to succumb to the blight and before they do they go on deep roads to die that is the calling.

So again if you remove the calling you remove stage in that the warden beggins succumb to the blight.

 

And once again my conversation with you were pretty much pointing you are wrong in things like that morrigan gave the warden nothing more than just dalish book ,keep import and many other things like insisting that book had no value.

[Sunnie]