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[UKStory135]

You also maybe needed to spring for a gold account if you happened to be playing on Xbox and didn't have one of those.

It was a bad design move that they couldn't have walked back fast enough.

[UKStory135]

That was a legitimate point about ME3, though the OP's proposals are different than what happened in ME3, and I think good.

[NuclearTech76]

The thing is, how do players know it's good until they try it? Many, many players, including myself, went into ME3 not expecting to like the MPer but was very pleasantly surprised. Just a little encouragement, of the right sort, is not a bad idea.

My situation as well. Same thing with Destiny as well, I had quite a few friends that despise MP especially PVP and they've came around to enjoy it some.

[Iakus]

I hate ME but this is something I'd probably do.  It's the reason I occasionally play TOR.

Imagine if you could raise your EMS with an Armax Arena-type scenerio 

[NuclearTech76]

Not too bad an idea.  The key would be to balance the amount of money/minerals that MP provides to a equal level that a SP-only player would get.  Perhaps the SP mode rewards would be small but also give some MP rewards to spend on the MP store like ME3's MP did.  That way the MP'ers get grind in a way they like and the SP players get to grind if a way they enjoy. 

 

I'm not a big MP'er, I played Mass Effect games for the SP and story and was very upset about ME3's MP when it was announced. I'm generally not able to play too long with needing to go AFK to check on dinner/kids/laundry/etc and I did find ME3's MP wasn't bad.  The matches were short enough that I could get one in between real-world needs. 

 

I did not play DA:I's MP much, the elitists were just too annoying.  

Maybe just cap the materials for both sides where you can only get so many whether you get them through SP or MP ways?

[Indomito]

The thing is, how do players know it's good until they try it? Many, many players, including myself, went into ME3 not expecting to like the MPer but was very pleasantly surprised. Just a little encouragement, of the right sort, is not a bad idea.

I agree. But not something "in appearance" hard and mandatory for single players. Creative ways to attract people yes.

[The Heretic of Time]

MPers don't care about the story, they just want to troll people who do. Why should we want to satisfy trolls?

Let them scream their hate speech while playing their stupid minigame and leave the actual game and actual fans out of it.

 

Please let us speak for ourselves. I'm an MPer and I care greatly about story and SP. I would love to see MP being intergrated in SP in a more tangible way than an arbitrary variable named "readiness". I remember seeing a trailer of ME3 were Shepard addresses an MP squad and gives them a motivational speech. This got my hopes up that somehow MP would be tied in with SP in a cool way. Sadly this isn't the case.

I don't know what happened with that scene where Shepard gives the MP squad a speech. Was it cut from the final game?

This trailer contains the speech I'm talking about (I think it's the same speech as the speech on Earth before the final mission, but the trailer made it seem Shepard is giving that speech to the MP squad):

[Pasquale1234]

You didn't need to know the best strategies for MP, especially if you're playing bronze which if you haven't played MP and are just doing it for war assets you really should be. Your equipment probably isn't good enough to handle the higher difficulties unless you're a very good player.

No, but it helps to have a clue what is expected before you join, no? Not everyone is willing to be a leech.
 

I get not wanting to play with others in the first place, but relying on them to win against computer AI in what was a pretty easy game isn't all that "luck of the draw" to the point where hundreds of matches is needed for multiple SP playthroughs.
 
Yeah it's stupid that for a time you even had to play MP, especially for Xbox players because of the gold account requirement as mentioned above, but it wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

Hundreds of matches was someone else's hyperbole. I'm not making it out to be that bad.

I will say, though, that I spent ~ 6-8 hours of accomplishing little to nothing the first time I tried MP. In that entire time, I was in one group that made it to extraction. The second time (another 6-8 hours), we made extraction more often than not, and the 3rd I think we made it every time. All PUGS, with people coming and going throughout.

But my original point: For any SP content to require success in MP automatically makes you dependent on other players - sometimes complete strangers - to achieve your goals for SP - is still valid.

[MaxCrushmore]

MPers don't care about the story, they just want to troll people who do. Why should we want to satisfy trolls?

Let them scream their hate speech while playing their stupid minigame and leave the actual game and actual fans out of it.

 

You really believe this? That an entire not insignificant sized group, are all trolls. Every. single. one. of. them.

 

The only person 'screaming their hate speech' is you. Posted in a constructive thread which does not impact SP players at all. Did you bother to read the OP?

 

Don't know why i'm asking since the answer is obvious. The sad part is all the people who liked this post. Let's hate for hate's sake!

 

Because we all know there's sides! I'm sure no one has EVER played SP and MP .. if so they should be flayed alive!

 

So far this comment is the only troll post I've seen on this thread ...

[Sylvius the Mad]

So wait a minute. Now the extra resources or credits would be a problem? That's........well IDK even what to say to that.

I want the SP to have internal coherence. Where did those resources come from? I want an in-game explanation for their source.

We should be able to avoid those bonuses if we don't want them.

[Pasquale1234]

You're always welcome to play with any of us on the MP forum even if it's not required for SP, we would be happy to help show the ropes to anyone. They have a section for anyone looking for a group and I'm sure that will probably happen in the next game as well. Some teams you run into are very good, some not so much, bronze though or the lowest difficulty is fairly simple for anyone that plays campaign especially if playing in a team of four players. Objective waves are pretty much the only waves that really need rudimentary strategy.

It's kind of you to offer - if I find myself wanting to play some more MP, I just might take you up on it.

I read some of the guides linked to the pinned thread in the MP forum, which helped immensely. I've been in quite a variety of different PUGs - some would scatter in all different directions, others would try to move together as a group. It was... interesting.

I think the hardest part is getting started. You have only a couple of medi-gels, and need to complete some objectives and earn some credits to buy more packs of supplies. Once you get past those initial hurdles, it gets a lot easier - and a lot more fun.

[UKStory135]

You really believe this? That an entire not insignificant sized group, are all trolls. Every. single. one. of. them.

The only person 'screaming their hate speech' is you. Posted in a constructive thread which does not impact SP players at all. Did you bother to read the OP?

Don't know why i'm asking since the answer is obvious. The sad part is all the people who liked this post. Let's hate for hate's sake!

Because we all know there's sides! I'm sure no one has EVER played SP and MP .. if so they should be flayed alive!

So far this comment is the only troll post I've seen on this thread ...

It's not the only one, but it was the worst. From what I have read in these forums. The MP guys trolled the game, and the SPer's responded by insulting the players. I have multiple playthroughs in all the MP SP games across 2 consoles, most are in ME2. I care about the Story and the gameplay. I hope the SP gives multiple options for all players to play their style, including a turn based option system. I also hope the game can alternatively played live, and that playing MP can reduce some of the grinding aspects that were in the ME series. The OP's suggestion of leaving the grinding in and allowing an option for MPers to avoid it is a good one.

[MaxCrushmore]

Woah, this thread is currently being chainsawed .. the first page has several posts removed

[Eelectrica]

MP as an alternate path the achieving something that can also be achieved in SP is a fair solution. Prefer we don't have to collect '500 brown rocks' or some equivalent though.

As long as MP isn't the only way. If I want to play MP, I'd prefer to to play on my terms, not with a gun pointed to my head.

 

DAIMP should be used as a cautionary tale about enforced MP which thankfully it isn't in DA. What with the black screens, connection issues, impossible to find lobbies etc.

[NuclearTech76]

No,

No,

No.

 

Only a developer that hates it's fans would connect SP and MP.

 

Oh wait...

Connected but optional. Not forced nor necessary but gives you resources for playing it, that's my suggestion not to force it upon you. This is much preferable to being forced to play even if it is only two games.

[RZIBARA]

I dont get why people on this forum are so anti social they cant enjoy a match of MP. Is it going to kill you?

[Cyonan]

I dont get why people on this forum are so anti social they cant enjoy a match of MP. Is it going to kill you?

 

I get why sometimes you just don't want to deal with other people when you're gaming, especially if you already get a lot of that in every other aspect of your life.

 

Though it's worth noting that for people who don't want to play MP because they think everybody is a trollish jerk, at least on PC the reality is that almost nobody talks anyway.

[Pasquale1234]

Connected but optional. Not forced nor necessary but gives you resources for playing it, that's my suggestion not to force it upon you. This is much preferable to being forced to play even if it is only two games.

IIRC, the 'leak' that was published a couple months ago also had a suggestion that I thought might work well. Basically, it sets up certain mission objectives. The player sends teams to accomplish those objectives, and can choose to play through them via MP, or not.

[Eelectrica]

I dont get why people on this forum are so anti social they cant enjoy a match of MP. Is it going to kill you?

A friend and I tried DAIMP the other day to complete some community challenges, black screens, horrible lag, disconnects.

We then went back to Borderlands 2 for a bit and had a lag free, trouble free experience. Haven't looked at DAIMP since. ME3 was full of connection issues as well. Why should those be inflicted on people?

[Pasquale1234]

I get why sometimes you just don't want to deal with other people when you're gaming, especially if you already get a lot of that in every other aspect of your life.
 
Though it's worth noting that for people who don't want to play MP because they think everybody is a trollish jerk, at least on PC the reality is that almost nobody talks anyway.

One of the things that kept me away was the expectation that I would need a mic (I don't have / want one) or to somehow enter a chat. I was pretty surprised that most people (PS3 bronze) don't use mics - lol.

[NuclearTech76]

A friend and I tried DAIMP the other day to complete some community challenges, black screens, horrible lag, disconnects.

We then went back to Borderlands 2 for a bit and had a lag free, trouble free experience. Haven't looked at DAIMP since. ME3 was full of connection issues as well. Why should those be inflicted on people?

To be fair ME3MP wasn't close to as bad a DAIMP. 

[DarthLaxian]

The solution should be any MP function should allow for a "solo mode" so no content is missed for wanting to play the game by yourself.

 

Indeed, that I would totally get behind - solo meaning IMHO that you take your squad and play the MP maps/content with them in tow (of course the difficulty needs to change accordingly!) and you should be able to access that from within the SP game

 

greetings LAX

[Eelectrica]

To be fair ME3MP wasn't close to as bad a DAIMP. 

I'd agree with that...

Their space hamsters had better be training overtime power the ME:A MP servers.

[Cyonan]

One of the things that kept me away was the expectation that I would need a mic (I don't have / want one) or to somehow enter a chat. I was pretty surprised that most people (PS3 bronze) don't use mics - lol.

 

I was originally pretty surprised to hear console players don't use them as much either, since mics are a lot more common with those systems.

 

Though on PC 90% of the talking I got was asking if I was the Cyonan from BSN and saying my datamining/theorycrafting work was awesome.

[UKStory135]

I get why sometimes you just don't want to deal with other people when you're gaming, especially if you already get a lot of that in every other aspect of your life.

Though it's worth noting that for people who don't want to play MP because they think everybody is a trollish jerk, at least on PC the reality is that almost nobody talks anyway.

My experience on XBox is that it takes one good game to get guys talking, and it is 99% positive. On PS3, there is much less talking unless it's from friends, but a PUG will start chiming in after a couple of games. Apparently, the Wii U talks quite a bit, but it is missing too much DLC for me to keep playing it.