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[Loufi]

Disagree on the arc pistol. IMO it's better on almost anything except accuracy boosting kits. Arc can run power mod and still have ample shots and not that much damage loss even if you don't use piercing. Talon will have some damage loss in game because it's not pinpoint accurate and generally you're aiming for the head. Arc on the other hand is pinpoint accurate from across the map.

I agree. The ability to headshot from the other side of the map makes the Arc better. I see the Talon better than the Arc only on characters with accuracy / RoF boosting powers and vanguards.

[Miniditka77]

When in the history of combat has an SMG ever been known for penetration!?

 

5.7mm SMGs like the FN-P90 were designed for better penetration.  But yeah, typically they are just pistols with a different grip and longer barrel.

 

Which admittedly, is very strange....  It may be just me, but I feel that the Talon is a bit outclassed by the piranha, which has comparable weight, esp. considering that the piranha is rare and the Talon is UR, and likely to be at a lower level.

 

Btw, unless I am mistaken, the 150% multiplier is only applied to shields and barriers.

 

I don't really see the Talon and Piranha as comparable weapons at all.  The Piranha is a low-accuracy DPS monster that is designed for up-close engagements.  And its accuracy is even worse than advertised, because unlike other shotguns, the Piranha doesn't produce a consistent pattern - All of the pellets strike around the perimeter of the pattern.  It's almost useless against mooks at anything other than close range, unless you have an accuracy-boosting power. 

 

The Talon is one of the most versatile weapons on the game.  You can literally use it on any class, with almost any play style.  It's plenty accurate for mid-range, and even marginally effective at long range if you use hard cover when shooting.  It's great for adepts because it can drop shields quickly, and an accuracy-boosting power turns it into a headshot machine.  Totally different guns for totally different purposes.

[BloodBeforeTears]

5.7mm SMGs like the FN-P90 were designed for better penetration.  But yeah, typically they are just pistols with a different grip and longer barrel.

 

God I love FN.  The FN-57 is probably my favorite pistol of all time (wish we were issued the damn thing as opposed to the crap M9).

 

I don't really see the Talon and Piranha as comparable weapons at all.  The Piranha is a low-accuracy DPS monster that is designed for up-close engagements.  And its accuracy is even worse than advertised, because unlike other shotguns, the Piranha doesn't produce a consistent pattern - All of the pellets strike around the perimeter of the pattern.  It's almost useless against mooks at anything other than close range, unless you have an accuracy-boosting power. 

 

I only use the Piranha on my GI, and the results have been more than acceptable on plat.  Have been considering using the Talon instead, but my Talon is only at III, so I don't think it will be out DPSing it just yet.  The other problem is choice of mods.  If I go Talon with Hvy Barrel + AP mod, I only get 4 shots, if go with the Ext Mag + Hvy Barrel, i have to take AP or Drill rounds.  If I take the Ext Mag + AP mod, I'm no longer out DPSing my Piranha w/ Choke + HVB.  And this is not to mention that I would really like to take a power mod!

 

So I basically just say **** it, and rock the Acolyte with Hvy Barrel + Power mods.  Then I can bring whatever weapon I damn well please and still succeed rather easily on plat.

 

Bioware, please get rid of the Acolyte!  I am addicted to it worse than crack, and any time I don't bring it I go through withdrawals!!!

 

The Talon is one of the most versatile weapons on the game.  You can literally use it on any class, with almost any play style.  It's plenty accurate for mid-range, and even marginally effective at long range if you use hard cover when shooting.  It's great for adepts because it can drop shields quickly, and an accuracy-boosting power turns it into a headshot machine.  Totally different guns for totally different purposes.

 

Yes, IMO it is a jack of all trades and master of none, unless using it on the GI w/ hvy barrel + ext mag and AP rounds.

[Darth Volus]

Acolyte's major weakness is the fact that you can't equip arc pistol or talon with it. 

 

Not entirely true. This kit can 

 

[Caineghis2500]

The lolarcpistol is much more OP and should be the one on the title instead

[._.]

The acolyte isn't op, it's just good at dealing with the annoying things this game throws at us.

[BloodBeforeTears]

The lolarcpistol is much more OP and should be the one on the title instead

 

I would completely agree with this if I played on PC, as mouse sensitivity, specialized equipment, and dare I say it... ****ing aimbots, have trivialized the skill required to land headshots consistently.  

 

I refuse to play in such an environment.  Give me standard controls and a standard operating system... in other words, give me a console.

 

On a console, the skill required to land headshots is far from trivial, not to mention that the standard panning rates of analog sticks are far slower than maximum rate mouse movement, which increases head acquisition time for even those with the highest skill.

 

So in my ME3MP universe, limited to the scope of PSN, I welcome Arc Pistol users with open arms.  To those who have the skill to utilize it with greater effect than the Acolyte, my hat is off to you.

[BloodBeforeTears]

The acolyte isn't op, it's just good at dealing with the annoying things this game throws at us.

 

OMG, that video is SICK.  Ironically, the GI is the only kit I have not used with the Acolyte.

 

DAMN.  I cannot wait to try that.  So stoked!  Thx 4 posting.

[Kushiel42]

Bioware, please get rid of the Acolyte!  I am addicted to it worse than crack, and any time I don't bring it I go through withdrawals!!!

 

This isn't an issue with the weapon.

[BloodBeforeTears]

This isn't an issue with the weapon.

 

True, it's just hard to stop kids these days from using...

[Caineghis2500]

But I don't get why you feel the gun should be banned. They aren't making you play with it. I've pugged with many acolyte users and it has never affected my gameplay in any way tbh.

[BloodBeforeTears]

I've pugged with many acolyte users and it has never affected my gameplay in any way tbh.

 

Don't me wrong, entering a lobby containing acolyte users never fails to put a smile on my face... chiefly because it alleviates my obligation to bring one.

 

But I don't get why you feel the gun should be banned.

 

If the acolyte didn't exist, then carrying one on mission would not be an option, and hence I would spend the majority of my time using other weapons.  But because the acolyte is so overwhelmingly superior at what it does, and because you can always bring one "for free", it simply does not make sense to not equip it on all but a few kits.

 

For example, the Krogan Soldier is by and far my favorite character in this game, which I routinely run on plat with the Graal/Claymore/Raider.  However, if it's a pug with no other acolyte users, you better believe I'm going to bring one.  Because when those double banshees show up (or any other boss for that matter), my acolyte is likely going to save the day.  And due to the nature of platinum pugs, once I whip out the acolyte, is awful hard to put the ****ing thing down, because of its ridiculous effectiveness.  As a result, the weapon I'd rather be using collects dust on my back for the majority of the match.

 

As Kushiel alluded, this may be more of a personal issue than an issue with the weapon.  It might the case that I just need to take my happy @$$ to AA (Acolytes Anonymous) and get some ****ing help, lol.

 

Then again, this weapon turns even the most unlikely pugs into sub-30 successful extractions, so I really can't complain.  It has certainly done wonderful things for my ego!

[Caineghis2500]

 
As Kushiel alluded, this may be more of a personal issue than an issue with the weapon.  It might the case that I just need to take my happy @$$ to AA (Acolytes Anonymous) and get some ****ing help, lol.

/Thread.

I believe its a personal issue too tbh. There's no need to get too butthurt over anything at this stage of this games lifespan. Just take it easy because no amount of ranting will change anything at this point so don't let it trouble you much

[Broganisity]

Make the weapon better at taking out biotic shield over tech shields,limited on health, and bonuses off armor. No Stagger.

Problem solved.

[BloodBeforeTears]

/Thread.

I believe its a personal issue too tbh. There's no need to get too butthurt over anything at this stage of this games lifespan. Just take it easy because no amount of ranting will change anything at this point so don't let it trouble you much

 

Ranting never changes anything.  Logical arguments on the other hand, tend to be more persuasive.

 

It's not about ME3MP, but rather ME:A MP.  This thread is just my 2 cents... a philanthropic offering to the MP gameplay designers at Bioware, subject to the candid advice of you all.

 

Unfortunately, I'm really not going to be able to post much beginning next week, but hopefully this thread will encourage some to a.) play more ME3MP, and b.) tell Bioware what you want to see in ME:A MP.

 

Some of you may think that Bioware could give a **** less about what this community thinks, but I assure you, this is not the case.  It simply would not make sense if it were.  Bioware has too much to gain and nothing to lose by shaping the multiplayer experience to best fit the desires of their most avid fans, namely you (and me).

 

So be sure to give them a piece of your mind.  And be sure to do it now.

[._.]

Ranting never changes anything.  Logical arguments on the other hand, tend to be more persuasive.
 
It's not about ME3MP, but rather ME:A MP.  This thread is just my 2 cents... a philanthropic offering to the MP gameplay designers at Bioware, subject to the candid advice of you all.
 
Unfortunately, I'm really not going to be able to post much beginning next week, but hopefully this thread will encourage some to a.) play more ME3MP, and b.) tell Bioware what you want to see in the ME:A MP.
 
Some of you may think that Bioware could give a **** less about what this community thinks, but I assure you, this is not the case.  It simply would not make sense if it were.  Bioware has too much to gain and nothing to lose by shaping the multiplayer experience to best fit the desires of their most avid fans, namely you (and me).
 
So be sure to give them a piece of your mind.  And be sure to do it now.

Well said

[Paynezz]

DAE ONLY NOOBS USE ACOLYTE REAL CONSOLE SCRUBS PLAYERS USE VENOM SHOTGUN XDDDDDDD 

[BloodBeforeTears]

DAE ONLY NOOBS USE ACOLYTE REAL CONSOLE SCRUBS PLAYERS USE VENOM SHOTGUN XDDDDDDD 

 

LOL.  But there are significant DPS and weight encumbrance tradeoffs to using the Venom, for both weapons-centric and powers-centric classes.  The Acolyte has no such tradeoffs.

[Paynezz]

also your argument is retarded too.

 

you can put most weapons on terrible kits and they can become viable. If anything using acolyte encourages people to use their powers in combination with it.

 

also what's wrong with people using kits other than GI, juggernaut, destroyer, TGI, AIU in your pub games?

[D-Rock0713]

It'd be kinda funny if weapon & character combos were more extreme. Like in the lore, if a non-Krogan used a Graal it would break their arm. Imagine shooting the Graal with say a Human Adept and getting knocked back 10 feet. It might be annoying in the long run, but I'd laugh for the first 5 minutes

[BloodBeforeTears]

It'd be kinda funny if weapon & character combos were more extreme. Like in the lore, if a non-Krogan used a Graal it would break their arm. Imagine shooting the Graal with say a Human Adept and getting knocked back 10 feet. It might be annoying in the long run, but I'd laugh for the first 5 minutes

 

I'm all for this.  Krogans should be able to use Claymores and Graals at 200% CD, no question.

[Caineghis2500]

Its a nice sentiment OP but I wouldn't be surprised if bioware brings it back along with other new crutch weapons. From a business and consumer standpoint its important for game developers to give players a few easy mode guns, kits, powers ect... Game development companies especially those that create games with horde mode and/or PvP understand that the larger demographic of consumers are casual players that couldn't care less about working too hard for a kill or to achieve anything.

A casual player's reward and incentive circuits are wired differently than that of dedicated players. Casuals get an adrenaline rush when they get the easiest kills with the least amount of effort. Feeling like a badass is really what everyone wants to feel deep down IMO so developers gives casual players the cheese to get that feeling. That excitement is what will keep casuals playing and logged in to the servers alot longer.

The dedicated players are wired differently. They get excitement from some type of challenge. Mastering a not so easy weapon and/or kit and getting kills with it gives them a rush. They feel a sense of accomplishment and gratification from their hard work and not from cheesing. Why do you think my EASY MODE solo guide video was so popular in the ME3 MP community? Because it was dedicated to the majority of players which were the casuals who just wanted to get that lone wolf banner the easiest way possible so I provided the laziest and easiest way possible.

My point is that cheeses are necessary for game development companies bottom line in the long run so they've got to juggle between pleasing the casual crowd by giving them a couple of OP and easy to use weapons and kits and the dedicated crowd with the rest. Neither side will ever be 100% happy and there will always be complaints with nerfs and buffs but the option to cheese must always remain.

Just my 2cents

[BloodBeforeTears]

 

you can put most weapons on terrible kits and they can become viable.

 

OK.  But my argument is that you can put one weapon on nearly any kit and make it optimal.

 

If anything using acolyte encourages people to use their powers in combination with it.

 

Exactly.  To optimal effect in most cases.  This is my point - it should not be so.  Different weapons should be optimal for different kits.

 

also what's wrong with people using kits other than GI, juggernaut, destroyer, TGI, AIU in your pub games?

 

There is nothing wrong this.  What in the context of my posts in this thread has alluded to such?

[Miniditka77]

God I love FN.  The FN-57 is probably my favorite pistol of all time (wish we were issued the damn thing as opposed to the crap M9).

 

Yeah, they definitely make a good product.  My dad has a FAL from like the '60's or '70's, and it still works perfectly.

 

I only use the Piranha on my GI, and the results have been more than acceptable on plat.  Have been considering using the Talon instead, but my Talon is only at III, so I don't think it will be out DPSing it just yet.  The other problem is choice of mods.  If I go Talon with Hvy Barrel + AP mod, I only get 4 shots, if go with the Ext Mag + Hvy Barrel, i have to take AP or Drill rounds.  If I take the Ext Mag + AP mod, I'm no longer out DPSing my Piranha w/ Choke + HVB.  And this is not to mention that I would really like to take a power mod!

 

So I basically just say **** it, and rock the Acolyte with Hvy Barrel + Power mods.  Then I can bring whatever weapon I damn well please and still succeed rather easily on plat.

 

Bioware, please get rid of the Acolyte!  I am addicted to it worse than crack, and any time I don't bring it I go through withdrawals!!!

 

Yes, IMO it is a jack of all trades and master of none, unless using it on the GI w/ hvy barrel + ext mag and AP rounds.

 

I guess if you're talking about the GI, then the Talon and Piranha become interchangeable options.  The Talon becomes a precise headshot weapon in the GI's hands, while the Piranha is a little more about brute force and shredding stuff as quickly as possible.  On most classes though (especially power-based classes), the Talon and Piranha really aren't interchangeable - that's what I was getting at. 

 

And yes, the Talon is a jack of all trades, but it is kind of a master at stripping shields and barriers.  It's no Reegar or Acolyte, but being the 3rd best weapon on the game at stripping shields is nothing to sneeze at.

[BloodBeforeTears]

Its a nice sentiment OP but I wouldn't be surprised if bioware brings it back along with other new crutch weapons. From a business and consumer standpoint its important for game developers to give players a few easy mode guns, kits, powers ect... Game development companies especially those that create games with horde mode and/or PvP understand that the larger demographic of consumers are casual players that could care less about working too hard for a kill or to achieve anything.

A casual player's reward and incentive circuits are wired differently than that of dedicated players. Casuals get an adrenaline rush when they get the easiest kills with the least amount of effort. Feeling like a badass is really what everyone wants to feel deep down IMO so developers gives casual players the cheese to get that feeling. That excitement is what will keep casuals playing and logged in to the servers alot longer.

The dedicated players are wired differently. They get excitement from some type of challenge. Mastering a not so easy weapon and/or kit and getting kills with it gives them a rush. They feel a sense of accomplishment and gratification from their hard work and not from cheesing. Why do you think my EASY MODE solo guide video was so popular in the ME3 MP community? Because it was dedicated to the majority of players which were the casuals who just wanted to get that lone wolf banner the easiest way possible so I provided the laziest and easiest possible.

My point is that cheeses are necessary for game development companies bottom line in the long run so they've got to juggle between pleasing the casual crowd by giving them a couple of OP and easy things to work with and the dedicated crowd with the rest. Neither side will ever be 100% happy and their will always be complaints with nerfs and buffs but the option to cheese must always remain.

Just my 2cents

 

Interesting perspective.  And you may be right.  Tbh, I haven't thought about it like this.  Let me just say, that I do not believe it was the intention of Bioware to provide one weapon or kit to rule them all, and for the most part, I think they did a pretty good job.

 

Thanks again for your insight.