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[Olivia Wilde]

QFE is better balanced, better to look at (especially from the games default camera angle), and for some reason the Paladin seems squishier to me than his stats would indicate

 

Still I have plenty of fun playing the Paladin when I choose to

[Indoctornated]

QFE is better balanced, better to look at (especially from the games default camera angle), and for some reason the Paladin seems squishier to me than his stats would indicate

 

Still I have plenty of fun playing the Paladin when I choose to

 

Came here for Olivia Wilde. Wasn't let down.

[ClydeInTheShell]

Plus you can't really beat that bum-bum, that comes with soup, bananas and spinach. 

because dat ass is a food group.

[Dovakiin_N7]

Overall, the number of posts in this thread saying that the paladin is way more powerful than the QFE only tells me that she is a difficult kit to master, and that most of the players, even on bsn, have never witnessed a properly played one.

Some people might play FQE better than Paladin but generally speaking , Paladin is definitely way more powerful than FQE.

He has energy drain and super broken SF for ridiculous damage.

FQE effectiveness improves with players skill. There is no doubt about that. Claymore FQE is just too good. But I suspect that the same skilled player would do even better with Paladin.

I don't see many experienced players Paladin that much. May be because they realise Snap cheese can annoy other players. And it makes them feel like noob?

[DisturbedPsic0]

If we're comparing the power sets of the two characters, SF is broken and obviously better. By better I mean it affects multiple targets through walls and always primes for cryo explosions. CB is a better debuff against a single unit. Incinerate is arguably better on the Paladin because you get more use out of the 6a evolution. ED is better than turret. Flame shield primes for level 6 fire explosion and is super fast.

 

Having said that, I enjoy playing the Paladin more. I get more satisfaction out of playing the QFE, because most people think she's crap and I like doing well with kits other people don't think are good.  I get the comparison between the two because both have an "ice" and "fire" power, but a better comparison to the Paladin for me would be the MQE since he can chain tech bursts super fast and has huge AOE, and another amazing single target debuff. He also has a power that goes through walls and affects multiple enemies, has stagger, and is flat out broken in the best ways possible. 

[FORRTrESx]

Is this even a topic of discussion?  I think everyone knows which is 'better,' but that doesn't really matter.  So I'd rather talk about what I find more 'fun' to use.

 

I dunno bout you guys, but I enjoy doing combos, and making 'splosions(tech or biotic).  

 

The QFE doesn't really have this capability on platinum, which is what I play 90% of the time(w/ALL my characters)... where so many of the enemies are large and armored.  So CryoBlast just becomes an unfun power to have.  So she just winds up being a character that is relegated to a kind of boring playstyle, just debuffing and shooting at enemies with a decent weapon.  Or using her turret to tank while you again debuff and shoot at the enemy.  I still find this playstyle not as much fun as making 'splosions.

 

I suppose you could spec her turret to use flame, where you could then debuff, shoot and combo with your turret.  But then again, I like using the missile just for the coolness factor, as I like to keep the flaming turret specific to the geth bc reasons.

 

Unlike some others, I don't think she's hard to use effectively in platinum, she's just got no flair or wow factor to the way she can be played effectively.

[Deerber]

Some people might play FQE better than Paladin but generally speaking , Paladin is definitely way more powerful than FQE.

He has energy drain and super broken SF for ridiculous damage.

FQE effectiveness improves with players skill. There is no doubt about that. Claymore FQE is just too good. But I suspect that the same skilled player would do even better with Paladin.

I don't see many experienced players Paladin that much. May be because they realise Snap cheese can annoy other players. And it makes them feel like noob?

You see, I have no problem with saying that the paladin is more powerful than the FQE, I've already said it more than once in this thread. What I take an issue with, is that word, "way" before that sentence. It's a subjective word alright, but I feel that, given the way the majority of the people use it, it has no place there, at all. My QFE has never been outgunned by a paladin, not a single time in her life. That is likely due to the fact that most very good players spite the paladin, as you said. However, it is my opinion that if I were to play with a very good player using a paladin, she wouldn't be outgunned by far. Just a bit. That is why I feel most people around here are exaggerating the power difference between the kits, which in turn makes me believe most people haven't witnessed what a properly played FQE can do.

Unlike some others, I don't think she's hard to use effectively in platinum, she's just got no flair or wow factor to the way she can be played effectively.

See, this is what I mean when I say people haven't seen a properly played FQE. And likely never will, on platinum...

[Melee or Die]

No. He has bitchvoice when he gets rekt for a reason.

I have two theories:
1) Because the Paladin is so powerful. If you go down; the suit uses hydraulic joints XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX on his sack.
2) The Paladin is Mulan. Further proof:


Either case, Paladin still owns that wide ass. I'm leaning towards the Mulan theory.

[Indoctornated]

My QFE can play any difficulty np. But if Platinum, I prefer to use some hot low cooldown weapon a la CSMG/Lancer. Or when going very heavy, M-98 Widow/Javelin.

 

She's really not that hard to play and figure. Beginner friendly too. Plus she's always lots of fun to play (my fave Quarian).

[Cryos_Feron]

to those who say:

QFE takes more skill than Paladin,

or those who say they wanted to make a difficult class work :

 

Do you do incendiary ammo / incinerate  on her ??

 

 

Or do you CB + Claymore + (THEN incinerate if still necessary on bosses)

 

 

(Claymore just being an example for a powerful weapon)

[Indoctornated]

to those who say:

QFE takes more skill than Paladin,

or those who say they wanted to make a difficult class work :

 

Do you do incendiary ammo / incinerate  on her ??

 

 

Or do you CB + Claymore + (THEN incinerate if still necessary on bosses)

 

 

(Claymore just being an example for a powerful weapon)

 

HEADSHOTS!!!!! (Mandatory standard BSN epeen response)

[Deerber]

to those who say:
QFE takes more skill than Paladin,
or those who say they wanted to make a difficult class work :

Do you do incendiary ammo / incinerate on her ??


Or do you CB + Claymore + (THEN incinerate if still necessary on bosses)


(Claymore just being an example for a powerful weapon)

The latter, save for some mistakes/weird situations here and there.

However, notice that incendiary ammo is glitched in and of itself, although not nearly as much as when you use it with a burning dot power (warp, incinerate, etc). The only way you're going to completely avoid abusing a glitch is if you don't use incendiaries at all.

I refuse to do that, as using incendiary ammos are fun and I've been doing that for ages before we even became aware of the issue.

Everyone draws a line somewhere, but the where is somewhat arbitrary. Personally, my line is that I never change my way of playing a character after becoming aware of a glitch. Which means I don't willingly take advantage of it, but also that I won't avoid it on purpose if I was used to play that way already.

[DisturbedPsic0]

to those who say:

QFE takes more skill than Paladin,

or those who say they wanted to make a difficult class work :

 

Do you do incendiary ammo / incinerate  on her ??

 

 

Or do you CB + Claymore + (THEN incinerate if still necessary on bosses)

 

 

(Claymore just being an example for a powerful weapon)

This is what I prefer.

 

Talon is good against shields and barrier and applies disruptor well. I throw the turret near a group of enemies and let it do it's thing. Shoot->incinerate for tech burst. Any boss unit gets CB->shoot->incinerate. If there is an unshielded mook I'll CB it to stop it, shoot other mooks, and then incinerate for cryo explosion. 

[Quarian Master Race]

to those who say:

QFE takes more skill than Paladin,

or those who say they wanted to make a difficult class work :

 

Do you do incendiary ammo / incinerate  on her ??

 

 

Or do you CB + Claymore + (THEN incinerate if still necessary on bosses)

 

 

(Claymore just being an example for a powerful weapon)

I detonate my IA, so don't cheese intentionally, though both characters can do that and the QFE actually could be better (weapon dependant) due to CB's greater debuff. 

Not just Claymore, but for most decent weapons when dealing with mooks, I'm generally not shooting the target that I'm currently Cryo-Incinerating. It's more efficient to kill the things that aren't frozen or staggered first, then come back to the latter when you need to hide a reload or get some stagger from a CE. Turret is quite helpful, especially vs geth at drawing aggro, staggering and increasing your exposure time, though you need to be good with spawn prediction to position it in an efficient manner.

Claymore specifically, for armored bosses and sub bosses, it's generally Cryo> shoot in the face> shoot in the face> detonate (hides reload). That will normally be good enough for killing brutes and scions on gold and plat if you've IA. For the shield/ barrier bosses, you either hit with another couple of rounds and incinerate (if duration spec CB) or reapply cryo debuff with the next cooldown and just repeat the process. Disruptor ammo setup is probably comparable or faster vs Atlases at least, though I've never actually timed them.

Goons you just shoot in the face, and detonate them if not enough of the pellets hit. Phantoms are similar, unless on host, where you will need to toss the shock turret at them for some stagger to break their 90% DR, or make them flip with a power. Ravagers can be killed in a single shot with IA if you either cryo first and double hit them or shoot then detonate for an FE.

Nuke Primes. Nobody has time for all the fuckery that comes with getting staggered out of animations.

[GordianKnot42]

Bum-bum.

Also, I prefer playing QFE at more of a medium range than the Paladin loadout assumes, so Cryo + Talon or Wraith shot is still pretty effective even beyond the Snap Cheese reach.

[Kenny Bania]

to those who say:

QFE takes more skill than Paladin,

or those who say they wanted to make a difficult class work :

 

Do you do incendiary ammo / incinerate  on her ??

 

 

Or do you CB + Claymore + (THEN incinerate if still necessary on bosses)

 

 

(Claymore just being an example for a powerful weapon)

 

Executioner + disruptor rounds.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

ED is better than turret. 

L2Turret issue.

 

makes me believe most people haven't witnessed what a properly played FQE can do.
 

QFT.

[DisturbedPsic0]

L2Turret issue.

Never said turret was bad, just that ED was better. On demand shield restore, stagger, detonator (on some resistances), and DR is really good. Turret is good, but I'm not a huge fan of pet powers that do whatever they want whenever they want. I'll always recommend a no fitness QFE because her turret shouldn't be skipped, but I have much more use for ED.

[Darth Volus]

Personally I use my FQE with a Wraith (yeah, come @ me for not using Claymore) I know Arc pistol would be better, but Tali has a shotgun 

 

http://kalence.drupa...23N53363!5DGE55

 

Since Wraith is a lot lighter than Clay, it allows me to spam powers faster and since it's a 2 shot gun, I get into a comfortable pattern of shot - cryo - shot - incinerate 

[Loufi]

Personally I use my FQE with a Wraith (yeah, come @ me for not using Claymore) I know Arc pistol would be better, but Tali has a shotgun 

 

http://kalence.drupa...23N53363!5DGE55

 

Since Wraith is a lot lighter than Clay, it allows me to spam powers faster and since it's a 2 shot gun, I get into a comfortable pattern of shot - cryo - shot - incinerate 

The HVB doesn't add weight on the Wraith, so you could equip it without any penalty. 

 

I approve that you use the Wraith, everybody knows that it's better than the Claymore.

[Darth Volus]

The HVB doesn't add weight on the Wraith, so you could equip it without any penalty. 

 

I approve that you use the Wraith, everybody knows that it's better than the Claymore.

 

I know HVB doesn't add weight. It's ugly though and hate that (I don't use the HVB on SR's either, it looks ridiculous)

 

And yes, all things considered objectively the Wraith is better than Claymore, but I still love the M-300  Boom goes well with bum-bum. 

[Indoctornated]

I know HVB doesn't add weight. It's ugly though and hate that (I don't use the HVB on SR's either, it looks ridiculous)

 

I hear folks here saying this all the time. You guys actually notice what barrel you have on your guns?

 

Only time I check it in game is to double check to see it I put the right barrel on, as so many times I rush to ready up and usually forget something that messes up my setup (ie. no Pierce Mod and no Armour/Drill Ammo).

[Loufi]

I know HVB doesn't add weight. It's ugly though and hate that (I don't use the HVB on SR's either, it looks ridiculous)

 

And yes, all things considered objectively the Wraith is better than Claymore, but I still love the M-300  Boom goes well with bum-bum. 

Fashion victim ! 

 

Same here, I like the Claymore, but objectively the Wraith is better.

[Darth Volus]

I hear folks here saying this all the time. You guys actually notice what barrel you have on your guns?

 

Only time I check it in game is to double check to see it I put the right barrel on, as so many times I rush to ready up and usually forget something that messes up my setup (ie. no Pierce Mod and no Armour/Drill Ammo).

 

I notice it unconsciously. I mean a Black Widow with 2 bipods? Really? Yuck 

 

ME:A Guns will probably look like this 

 

[Darth Volus]

Fashion victim ! 

 

Same here, I like the Claymore, but objectively the Wraith is better.

 

You're just mad, cos you'll never be as hip as I am