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[Sunnie]

So you assumed all of that because EA has yet to release any sales figures. okay!

 

[Majestic Jazz]

So you assumed all of that because EA has yet to release any sales figures. okay!

Question is why ARENT they releasing any sales figures considering that for their previous 3 games, they have.


Also according to the November 2014 NPD, DAI didnt even rank in the top 10 in that month!!!

Read here http://www.craveonli...-ps4-gta-v-halo

[midnight tea]

They did say that it was "by far the most successful launch in Bioware's history, exceeding their expectations" - so, based on fact that, we can safely assume that it sold more than 2 million units, likely maybe even 3 or 4.

[Majestic Jazz]

They did say that it was "by far the most successful launch in Bioware's history, exceeding their expectations" - so, based on fact that, we can safely assume that it sold more than 2 million units, likely maybe even 3 or 4.

Most successful launch is a vague term. Notice they didnt say "DAI was the best selling Bioware game" nor did they say "highest selling launch".

Most successful launch could mean MANY things.

Again, why is EA so vague? Why cant they just say DAI is Bioware's best selling game of all time as well as numbers to back it up. Dont you think that would be a better headline?

Also again, most games see their most sales in the first month and for DAI, it FAILED to rank in the NPD's top 10 for the month of November 2014. If it sold 2 million plus copies, it would at least crack the 9 or 10 spot.

[Sunnie]

Question is why ARENT they releasing any sales figures considering that for their previous 3 games, they have.


Also according to the November 2014 NPD, DAI didnt even rank in the top 10 in that month!!!

Read here http://www.craveonli...-ps4-gta-v-halo

Again, asspull numbers. Until EA releases numbers, every site and everyone spitting out statistics are just pulling them from their asses. I can't tell you why EA hasn't released those numbers, but I really doubt there's some conspiracy surrounding how many they sold vs TW3, especially since EA is selling TW3 through Origin.

[Balek-Vriege]

It doesn't matter that one sells more than another product.  Only that in of themselves the sales were profitable.

 

It's like saying a blockbuster movie that broke record sales is a failure because a blockbuster movie that came out after got more sales.  Both were successful as they made ton of cash and producers would obviously try to extend the franchises because of that.  You may say "Well movie A is nothing compared movie B which was godly good" as an opinion, but you can't say movie A was a bad movie and a failure if a lot people actually liked it a lot and it made a lot of profit.

 

We can get an idea about the success of DAI by the fact that EA announced that DAI was the most successful launch in Bioware history after 113 million hours of play. Later clarifying that DAI was the most successful launch based off units sold alone rather than the hours they mentioned (so, take whatever was the highest selling launch game for bioware and add 1+ more sales).  Why won't EA release the numbers?  Who knows. 

 

My guess?

 

If I was a publisher that knew there was a lot of negative drama/press around Bioware because of some weird love/hate relationship with a lot of fans and not-so-fans, I might not disclose sale numbers too.  "Fans" that would use great data to argue across the net that DAI is a dumbed down game for the masses and isn't a true RPG (probably hurting future sales).  If the sales were less than upcoming RPG titles then it would be marked as a total failure and laughing stock among "fans" (hurting sales).  There would have been a very good likelihood that both arguments would have been made and everything else in between (hurting sales)  Keeping everyone guessing no matter how successful or not the game was is probably the best option with the environment surrounding Bioware with their RPGs.

 

To sum up EA's possible thinking on not disclosing the exact numbers:  Don't feed the trolls.... anything.  However, assure investors that the game was more successful than any other Bioware title by stating a general fact (best launch ever based on units sold).  EA/Bioware probably has the biggest troll following out of any RPG developer because again, love/hate relationship (mostly hate relationship with EA).

 

I doubt the sales plummeted since unlike DA2 or Diablo 3, DAI was actually a good game on release (save for bugs).  They were probably on par with average "good game" sale drop offs until The Witcher 3 release for obvious reasons.  People trying to argue DAI was a failure just have something to prove.  That they don't like EA/Bioware games but won't admit it because of nostalgia of Bioware games from circa 1998-2002... or something. 

 

Edit:  Also remember that digital sales cannot be tracked or estimated.  In this day and age pretty much any 3rd party sale projections are way off unless a game is box only.  It's like polling land line only for polls, but far far worse.

[Majestic Jazz]

Again, asspull numbers. Until EA releases numbers, every site and everyone spitting out statistics are just pulling them from their asses. I can't tell you why EA hasn't released those numbers, but I really doubt there's some conspiracy surrounding how many they sold vs TW3, especially since EA is selling TW3 through Origin.

So the fact that DAI didnt rank in November 2014 AND December 2014 NPD top 10 charts doesnt mean anything to you?

[thats1evildude]

Most successful launch could mean MANY things.

 

Oh? What vagueries of language are you gleaning from that phrase, O wise one?

 

Perhaps they meant "launch" as in "launch into the air," which means to say that DAI performed the best out of all the games that EA shot out of a catapult?

[devSin]

Question is why ARENT they releasing any sales figures considering that for their previous 3 games, they have.

EA no longer releases numbers for anything.

It doesn't matter if it only sells one copy or sells over a million. Battlefield: Hardline, as gross as it is, blew past a million copies (as tracked by NPD) for its launch, more than doubling the performance of the next best seller for that month; EA has never provided official numbers, and never will under current policy.

[Balek-Vriege]

So the fact that DAI didnt rank in November 2014 AND December 2014 NPD top 10 charts doesnt mean anything to you?

 

They can only extrapolate and estimate from physical copies and hardware.  They have no clue what digital sales could be.  The best use for sites like this is to use them to estimate hardware sales (like consoles) rather than games.  Since hardware is physical only and something has to be shipped or sold physically in the real world.

 

If EA is telling the truth then the vast majority of their sales were digital (they said as much) and they beat all other previous Bioware titles for launch sales.  So take the sale numbers of the best selling Bioware game after 1-3 weeks and guess that DAI sold more.

 

Of course they could be lying, but its kind of criminal to do so to investors.  Actually it is. 

 

However, you would think that with very high digital sales there would be enough to get high rankings with physical sales.

 

The other possibility and more probable one is that NPD just doesn't have the full picture and can't estimate correctly based off the number of DAI digital sales, making the number much lower than it should be for physical copies sold by underestimating the will/push to buy DAI.

 

Again, it's not like this stuff doesn't happen in polling for very similar reasons.  They get things wrong all the time and scientific polling is probably a lot more scientific than guessing game sales with 1/2 or less the data by not counting digital sales I would imagine.

[Majestic Jazz]

EA no longer releases numbers for anything.

It doesn't matter if it only sells one copy or sells over a million. Battlefield: Hardline, as gross as it is, blew past a million copies (as tracked by NPD) for its launch, more than doubling the performance of the next best seller for that month; EA has never provided official numbers, and never will under current policy.

 

Fair point, I can live with that. 

[dsl08002]

The leak says that the DLC it describes will be the last DLC.
 
It does NOT say that it will be the NEXT DLC.

That is true it doesnt describe the next DLC will be last one. But.....

If you consider that the generall opinion of DAI is conflicted and TW3 is released i bet EA woyld like to abandon ship and start on a new project right away. The same sensation what i felt in DA2, that they relized there is no use of adding content if the game doesnt keep up interest.

[Phoenix_Also_Rises]

Guys, guys. How about we get less hasty in making assumptions based on sales figures, which we do not know for certain, and previous practice, which may not necessarily be continued? How about we all take a deep breath and employ a little patience, like all good padawans, and wait for a bit until we have concrete information and see what more they have in store for us before making unfounded conclusions? More info is coming SOON™, there are so many events just around the corner that present opportunities for learning new facts, and everything seems to point in the direction of something surfacing in a very near future. So yeah, wouldnt it be reasonable to see what comes out and then start a slightly less uninformed discussion? How about that?    

[Sunnie]

That is true it doesnt describe the next DLC will be last one. But.....

If you consider that the generall opinion of DAO is conflicted and TW3 is released i bet EA woyld like to abandon ship and start on a new project right away. The same sensation what i felt in DA2, that they relized there is no use of adding content if the game doesnt keep up interest.

I thought jokes were supposed to be funny.

[LilyasAvalon]

Actually, the leak says that it will be "the last adventure with your team"... not necessarily the last adventure of Inquisitor or Inquisition.

 

 

If we take it as that it's possible we're getting an expansion earlier then we thought, which would/could comprise of a new team.

 

If you consider that the generall opinion of DAO is conflicted and TW3 is released i bet EA woyld like to abandon ship and start on a new project right away. The same sensation what i felt in DA2, that they relized there is no use of adding content if the game doesnt keep up interest.

 

The biggest problem with that theory is that DA2 actually didn't do well, most reviews saying it was a great game were bought off. I love DA2 but it was a very rushed and half assed project. I don't blame Bioware for that, I blame EA. The point is DA2 did not do well, and even after two great story DLC's, opinions did not change so they cut ties (remember, DA2 was supposed to get an expansion pack which was cut too).

 

Inquisition on the other hand has been doing ok. With the only possible problem I see for it is that people may simply be getting bored with it. I don't see them cutting ties over something that could be fixed with some more relevant DLC though.

[Aren]

The leak says that the DLC it describes will be the last DLC.

 

It does NOT say that it will be the NEXT DLC.

It depends on how you define a Dlc,reused assets, as the last one go into the accounts?

If not yes i do believe that this  Dlc  will be the last one.

[Fredward]

If the new one is like JoH (which I didn't even bother to get) I'm gonna be really, really disappointed. I want a meaty story! Extra scenes! Not just another area.

[VaLe]

Lmao if this is Bioware's most successful lauch, I shudder to think what their unsuccessful launch looks like. Anyway, as I have iterated before on this "forum", Inquisition looks amateurish compared to the new Witcher game, and any content they put out is not going to measure up.
I'm not trying to insult or hate on the Bioware team, but they simply are not as good a developent team. The magic that was present on Origins and DA2 is gone and I doubt that they have the capacity to get it back.
But hey at least they conformed to the SJW and all those other people who are just sitting and searching for things to be offended by, so that they can spread their outrage culture. So que all of you drones in defence formation.

[Fredward]

Lmao if this is Bioware's most successful lauch, I shudder to think what their unsuccessful launch looks like. Anyway, as I have iterated before on this "forum", Inquisition looks amateurish compared to the new Witcher game, and any content they put out is not going to measure up.
I'm not trying to insult or hate on the Bioware team, but they simply are not as good a developent team. The magic that was present on Origins and DA2 is gone and I doubt that they have the capacity to get it back.
But hey at least they conformed to the SJW and all those other people who are just sitting and searching for things to be offended by, so that they can spread their outrage culture. So que all of you drones in defence formation.

 

I feel like starting a drinking game where, every time a Witcher fanboy/girl comes to the Bioware forum and mentions DAI and the Witcher in the same post you take a shot but I'm scared of dying of liver failure.
 

[Aren]

I thought jokes were supposed to be funny.

Jokes of DA  are supposed to be funny for an audience of pre-teens.

[Scofield]

Most successful launch aside, wont it depend on DLC sales if more DLC is made?

 

I found the month of January interesting for DA on the ps store, DA:I was still a top 20 seller on the p4 store but DA:O had creeped upto 11th spot on the p3 store, ppl can an prob spin alot of nonsense about it but i like to think ppl who just game an dont bother with forums/fan sites etc had a good experience with DA:I in the first coupla months after it release then decided to get more into the series

 

Oh an the month the W3 was released? Jaws of Hakkon was in top 10 sellers for dlc that month on the p4 store, sure EA paid sony to say that though grrrrrr

[dsl08002]

I thought jokes were supposed to be funny.

Well neither are you

[maia0407]

Lmao if this is Bioware's most successful lauch, I shudder to think what their unsuccessful launch looks like. Anyway, as I have iterated before on this "forum", Inquisition looks amateurish compared to the new Witcher game, and any content they put out is not going to measure up.
I'm not trying to insult or hate on the Bioware team, but they simply are not as good a developent team. The magic that was present on Origins and DA2 is gone and I doubt that they have the capacity to get it back.
But hey at least they conformed to the SJW and all those other people who are just sitting and searching for things to be offended by, so that they can spread their outrage culture. So que all of you drones in defence formation.

Eh, I'm one of the SJW people you don't like and, yes, I like BW as they seem to care about social justice issues more than other companies. They aren't perfect but they are miles ahead of most others.

 

At any rate, Witcher is of no interest to me as it doesn't give the option to play as a woman. If I invest my time in a game, I want to be immersed and have the chance to play as my gender. So, that game is a no go for me. I'll support BW as long as they continue to provide me with games I feel comfortable playing. There aren't many companies out there for me. I'll continue to buy all the single player DLC they put out, including the Avaar armor pack which I really didn't like, just to put my money where my mouth is.

[Majestic Jazz]

Eh, I'm one of the SJW people you don't like and, yes, I like BW as they seem to care about social justice issues more than other companies. They aren't perfect but they are miles ahead of most others.

At any rate, Witcher is of no interest to me as it doesn't give the option to play as a woman. If I invest my time in a game, I want to be immersed and have the chance to play as my gender. So, that game is a no go for me. I'll support BW as long as they continue to provide me with games I feel comfortable playing. There aren't many companies out there for me. I'll continue to buy all the single player DLC they put out, including the Avaar armor pack which I really didn't like, just to put my money where my mouth is.

So you only play videogames that features a female protagonist?


Witcher 3 is known for great mature storytelling and immersive and lively open world. DAI is known for it's.....what?

I think Bioware can only ride this SJW wave for a short while before seeing how they are being outsold by companies such as CDPR which isnt cateering to SJWs but still selling 4 million plus units.
Bioware will always allow for a female character, but in terms of forcing through SJW ideals, they cant compete on that forever, especially with games like GTA5 which is anti SJW still dominating the market.

Enjoy while you can.


I will give you one thing, at least you admit that you are a SJW unlike most other people here who dont want to admit that they are one, let alone admitting that SJWs are even at these forums. You pressence proves me right.


Oh, and count on this being the last story DLC. EA/Bioware does not want to have to compete with Witcher 3 which is doing REALLY well at the moment (and it didnt even have to cateer to sjws btw) and TW3 still has two expansion DLCs coming between October of this year and March of next year. You may not like TW3 but you cannt deny the popularity that it has with many gamers. The market for rpgs is more competitive now than it was with when DAI first released. No matter what Bioware outs out, it will play secomd fiddle to whatever CDPR puts out in terms of TW3 story dlc.

[Fredward]

I will give you one thing, at least you admit that you are a SJW unlike most other people here who dont want to admit that they are one, let alone admitting that SJWs are even at these forums. You pressence proves me right.

 

I'm an SJW too! Aaaaayyyyy to all my SJW friends! You the real MVPs!