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So you only play videogames that features a female protagonist?


Witcher 3 is known for great mature storytelling and immersive and lively open world. DAI is known for it's.....what?

I think Bioware can only ride this SJW wave for a short while before seeing how they are being outsold by companies such as CDPR which isnt cateering to SJWs but still selling 4 million plus units.
Bioware will always allow for a female character, but in terms of forcing through SJW ideals, they cant compete on that forever, especially with games like GTA5 which is anti SJW still dominating the market.

Enjoy while you can.


I will give you one thing, at least you admit that you are a SJW unlike most other people here who dont want to admit that they are one, let alone admitting that SJWs are even at these forums. You pressence proves me right.

One thing that is stuck in my head for several weeks now, if you hate DA so much and love Witcher, why do you even hang out here? Go on Witcher forums and lick each other there? Why do you bring your totally unnecessary hate here? Just curious.


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One thing that is stuck in my head for several weeks now, if you hate DA so much and love Witcher, why do you even hang out here? Go on Witcher forums and lick each other there? Why do you bring your totally unnecessary hate here? Just curious.

I hate DAI, not Dragon Age. I have been a Bioware fan since 2003 but that doesnt mean I cant be a CDPR fan or Betheada fan either.

Also I have as much right to post on these forums as you do. Just cause I dont like DAI does not somehow terminate my ability to post here.

I just feel that Bioware took the turn for the worse with DAI. They banked really hard on this "skyrim" concept and it backfired. DAI sold good out of the gate but now with TW3 out, Bioware has stiff competition and REALLY stiff competition. TW3 sold 4 million in just two weeks and still has two expansion packs coming.

I want Bioware to do well, which is why I believe this will be their last story DLC for DAI and they will move forward with DA4 learning from their success and failures from DAI.

Like I said before, CDPR proved that you can make a great game without cateering to the SJW crowd which Bioware felt that they had to do with DAI. I mean the professional and user review scores for TW3 are better than DAI across the board, that should tell you something.
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I hate DAI, not Dragon Age. I have been a Bioware fan since 2003 but that doesnt mean I cant be a CDPR fan either.

Also I have as much right to post on these forums as you do. Just cause I dont like DAI does not somehow terminate my ability to post here.

I never said otherwise, I am just curious, If I hate something I say it and get far far away from it, or atleast am not trying to get other people mad and starting pointless fights


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Sometimes I think the "SJW" label is kind of like the "RPG" label: No one can quite agree on a definition or what constitutes an RPG. 

 

(http://www.escapistm...justice-warrior) - Bottom post tries to, interestingly enough, approach the label in an academical fashion and they summarised an eventual answer thusly;

 

Social Justice Warrior.

(see. Social Justice, Social Justice Blogging, "Check Your Privilege")

Noun

1. A person who takes it upon themselves to actively campaign for issues of social Justice, meaning the imbalances of sex, race, gender, wealth and other possible privileges.

2. (Pejorative in nature) A person who is seen as overzealous, unreasonable, uneducated or hypocritical in their views or statements in regards to support of social justice.


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Eh, I'm one of the SJW people you don't like and, yes, I like BW as they seem to care about social justice issues more than other companies. They aren't perfect but they are miles ahead of most others.

 

At any rate, Witcher is of no interest to me as it doesn't give the option to play as a woman. If I invest my time in a game, I want to be immersed and have the chance to play as my gender. So, that game is a no go for me. I'll support BW as long as they continue to provide me with games I feel comfortable playing. There aren't many companies out there for me. I'll continue to buy all the single player DLC they put out, including the Avaar armor pack which I really didn't like, just to put my money where my mouth is.

1) You can play as Ciri and Geralt in witcher 3, W3 is not Geralt story but Ciri "You think you are hero, silly, you are but a witcher. this is my story let me finish telling it" And Ciri at this point is most powerful "humen/elf" in witcher universe. I am sorry I offending you but all this I don't play game because protagonist is .... . It's stupid. It's like -You liked 1 Telltale the walking dead? - Yes it was amazing. -Did you like season 2? -No I didn't play it new protagonist is female. - :blink: .

2)I can understand why you like DA and don't like witcher. Witcher touch same stuff as DA racism, sexism, homosexuality... but in witcher they don't shy away show how it really is. In DA they just tell you it exist and never show and all of it watered down. DA:I is like made by Disney all safe and nice you can't lost hero always win. One of witcher 3 ending is so depressing and made fantastic.

3)Please don't support items pack DLC you just saying "I don't like this stuff but I will let you fuc... me" If we not support such bs they will not make it.


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One thing that is stuck in my head for several weeks now, if you hate DA so much and love Witcher, why do you even hang out here? Go on Witcher forums and lick each other there? Why do you bring your totally unnecessary hate here? Just curious.

Because on witcher forum everyone just praise how great game no one arguing much. There is no discussion. It simply boring if mostly agree with you.



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Sometimes I think the "SJW" label is kind of like the "RPG" label: No one can quite agree on a definition or what constitutes an RPG. 

 

(http://www.escapistm...justice-warrior) - Bottom post tries to, interestingly enough, approach the label in an academical fashion and they summarised an eventual answer thusly;

 

Social Justice Warrior.

(see. Social Justice, Social Justice Blogging, "Check Your Privilege")

Noun

1. A person who takes it upon themselves to actively campaign for issues of social Justice, meaning the imbalances of sex, race, gender, wealth and other possible privileges.

2. (Pejorative in nature) A person who is seen as overzealous, unreasonable, uneducated or hypocritical in their views or statements in regards to support of social justice.

In our situation term SJW explanation very simple.

It means person "I don't like Bayonetta and never play this game, change Bayonetta design she is oversexualized   I don't like it.


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Because on witcher forum everyone just praise how great game no one arguing much. There is no discussion. It simply boring if mostly agree with you.

And what do you need to be discussing about? Witcher and Dragon Age both have their fans bot think their games are good, both parties are going to say their is better their is more fun ... Whats the point of starting fight which has no closure but being angry at each other and saying bad stuff and I think BoWare who are reading these forums are a bit disappointed that people come and say garbage about a game which had good reviews overall and won several awards just because for some Witcher was better (and if u want Bioware to do a superb game, support them, dont throw garbage at them just because u like something more) ... Dont see a reason why this needs to be said over and over ... makes no good



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And what do you need to be discussing about? Witcher and Dragon Age both have their fans bot think their games are good, both parties are going to say their is better their is more fun ... Whats the point of starting fight which has no closure but being angry at each other and saying bad stuff and I think BoWare who are reading these forums are a bit disappointed that people come and say garbage about a game which had good reviews overall and won several awards just because for some Witcher was better (and if u want Bioware to do a superb game, support them, dont throw garbage at them just because u like something more) ... Dont see a reason why this needs to be said over and over ... makes no good

Because I want DA to be better. There is only few RPG like this. But DA get worse and worse each game. I both the game played game and have a lot of stuff witch was not how game was advertised and what design decision I didn't like. I thought forums are to give feedback and discus game. Not praise how great game is even if it isn't. And if you don't like some topic it's very easy just ignore it.


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In our situation term SJW explanation very simple.

It means person "I don't like Bayonetta and never play this game, change Bayonetta design she is oversexualized   I don't like it.

Could you explain this differently or in a different way, if you please?

 



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Because I want DA to be better. There is only few RPG like this. But DA get worse and worse each game. I both the game played game and have a lot of stuff witch was not how game was advertised and what design decision I didn't like. I thought forums are to give feedback and discus game. Not praise how great game is even if it isn't. And if you don't like some topic it's very easy just ignore it.

Never said Its about praising how good the game is, Its about saying positives and negatives what u like and what you didnt and saying Witcher was better, doesnt really help anything



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Several posters have claimed to have received this survey, it deserves some consideration.

Fair enough, still not expecting it to be the next DLC. Deep Roads before that.

 

 

So you only play videogames that features a female protagonist?


Witcher 3 is known for great mature storytelling and immersive and lively open world. DAI is known for it's.....what?

I think Bioware can only ride this SJW wave for a short while before seeing how they are being outsold by companies such as CDPR which isnt cateering to SJWs but still selling 4 million plus units.
Bioware will always allow for a female character, but in terms of forcing through SJW ideals, they cant compete on that forever, especially with games like GTA5 which is anti SJW still dominating the market.

Enjoy while you can.


I will give you one thing, at least you admit that you are a SJW unlike most other people here who dont want to admit that they are one, let alone admitting that SJWs are even at these forums. You pressence proves me right.


Oh, and count on this being the last story DLC. EA/Bioware does not want to have to compete with Witcher 3 which is doing REALLY well at the moment (and it didnt even have to cateer to sjws btw) and TW3 still has two expansion DLCs coming between October of this year and March of next year. You may not like TW3 but you cannt deny the popularity that it has with many gamers. The market for rpgs is more competitive now than it was with when DAI first released. No matter what Bioware outs out, it will play secomd fiddle to whatever CDPR puts out in terms of TW3 story dlc.

Witcher 3's  "mature storytelling" seems boring to me so if that's what "Mature Storytelling" is then I don't ever want to grow up.

 

Also, so what if Witcher 3 sells better than DA:I? Bioware/EA only cares (and only should care) about making a profit and getting back the money they invested into the development of the game, doesn't matter how well the Witcher sells because *gasp* you can buy both games! Woooaaaah! Who would've thought! You can enjoy multiple games at the same time?! What is this? Magic?

 

 

1) You can play as Ciri and Geralt in witcher 3, W3 is not Geralt story but Ciri "You think you are hero, silly, you are but a witcher. this is my story let me finish telling it" And Ciri at this point is most powerful "humen/elf" in witcher universe. I am sorry I offending you but all this I don't play game because protagonist is .... . It's stupid. It's like -You liked 1 Telltale the walking dead? - Yes it was amazing. -Did you like season 2? -No I didn't play it new protagonist is female. - :blink: .

2)I can understand why you like DA and don't like witcher. Witcher touch same stuff as DA racism, sexism, homosexuality... but in witcher they don't shy away show how it really is. In DA they just tell you it exist and never show and all of it watered down. DA:I is like made by Disney all safe and nice you can't lost hero always win. One of witcher 3 ending is so depressing and made fantastic.

3)Please don't support items pack DLC you just saying "I don't like this stuff but I will let you fuc... me" If we not support such bs they will not make it.

 

1) BREAKING NEWS: PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES AND MAY PREFER TO PLAY AS A CERTAIN GENDER IN A VIDEO GAME! WORLD IN SHOCK!

Like you, I've long been ignorant of people preferring to play as a certain gender. It's stupid to throw away a game because of the gender, no? Then I looked at all of my characters in "choose your character's gender" games and my first ones/main characters were almost exclusively female. While I enjoy playing as either gender, turns out even I have a bias and I'd be shooting myself in my own foot if I said such a preference is stupid.

2) Why does this matter? Witcher tackles the issues like A, DAI tackles the issues like B. Some people like route A, some (especially people who suffer through route A in real life) like route B. Again; people have their own opinions and tastes and both are completely valid and equal.

3) There is demand for such items; the free market works with supply and demand. If you don't like it, just don't buy it, the existance of these packs is of no negative effect to you.


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Fair enough, still not expecting it to be the next DLC. Deep Roads before that.


Witcher 3's "mature storytelling" seems boring to me so if that's what "Mature Storytelling" is then I don't ever want to grow up.

Also, so what if Witcher 3 sells better than DA:I? Bioware/EA only cares (and only should care) about making a profit and getting back the money they invested into the development of the game, doesn't matter how well the Witcher sells because *gasp* you can buy both games! Woooaaaah! Who would've thought! You can enjoy multiple games at the same time?! What is this? Magic?



1) BREAKING NEWS: PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES AND MAY PREFER TO PLAY AS A CERTAIN GENDER IN A VIDEO GAME! WORLD IN SHOCK!
Like you, I've long been ignorant of people preferring to play as a certain gender. It's stupid to throw away a game because of the gender, no? Then I looked at all of my characters in "choose your character's gender" games and my first ones/main characters were almost exclusively female. While I enjoy playing as either gender, turns out even I have a bias and I'd be shooting myself in my own foot if I said such a preference is stupid.
2) Why does this matter? Witcher tackles the issues like A, DAI tackles the issues like B. Some people like route A, some (especially people who suffer through route A in real life) like route B. Again; people have their own opinions and tastes and both are completely valid and equal.
3) There is demand for such items; the free market works with supply and demand. If you don't like it, just don't buy it, the existance of these packs is of no negative effect to you.

If you think EA is going to ignore the success of TW3 then you are naive. EA is an alpha dog that is not content with second place. What would a board think of a CEO if he/she said, "We are in 2nd/3rd place in the industry, but we are making profit so who cares?" Lol, that is not how a capitalist company like EA works. TW3 selling well might not mean anything to you, but to a corporation aimed at dominance, it means a lot.

The fact that TW3 sold so well AND has gotten RAVE user and professional review scores despite not cateering to SJW demands like DAI also says another thing.

I like Dragon Age, when it was DAO. Now with David Gaider gone, hopefully with DA4 things will turn around.
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If you think EA is going to ignore the success of TW3 then you are naive. EA is an alpha dog that is not content with second place. What would a board think of a CEO if he/she said, "We are in 2nd/3rd place in the industry, but we are making profit so who cares?" Lol, that is not how a capitalist company like EA works. TW3 selling well might not mean anything to you, but to a corporation aimed at dominance, it means a lot.

The fact that TW3 sold so well AND has gotten RAVE user and professional review scores despite not cateering to SJW demands like DAI also says another thing.

I like Dragon Age, when it was DAO. Now with David Gaider gone, hopefully with DA4 things will turn around.

 

 

EA sells the Witcher 3 via origin. They got the number one on their platform. They don't care. Seriously.

 

 

Also, David Gaider was lead writer for DA:O, you're just being hypocritical and shitting on SJWs just because at this point.


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EA sells the Witcher 3 via origin. They got the number one on their platform. They don't care. Seriously.


Also, David Gaider was lead writer for DA:O, you're just being hypocritical and shitting on SJWs just because at this point.


1) You still dont get it. TW3 is not an EA game, not published by them. Yes, EA distributes the game through Origin and thus gets a small cut, but do you honestly think EA's executives are saying, "TW3 is being sold through Origin so who cares if it sells alot...." again, naive thinking there. It isnt like TW3 is ONLY sold through Origin which would be another story there. You still have Amazon, Walmart, Gamestop, Steam, and many other retailers that distribute TW3. So yeah, EA gets a cut, but EA also gets a WAY bigger cut through Bioware sales and moving forward, CDPR DOES present a threat to Bioware no matter your opinion of them, especially with the upcoming Cyberpunk 2077.

2) Yea, David Gaider was the lead writer on DAO but when that game was in development, the SJW wave was not in effect. By the time we got to DAI, David Gaider publically have his support to Anita Sarkeesian and said that the SJW movement was a just cause. It is obvious that DAI was influenced by it. No brothels.....no desire demons etc because they didnt want to "offend" anyone. DAO was a raw and mature game, closer to that of TW3 and was not light on issues like racism (elves) or sexism (Sten's explaining of the Qun and how it doesnt allow for female warriors). By the time we get to DAI, much of that was retconned and issues like racism were not really explored much and Thedas turnes into a "care bear" land that is all sterile and bright. DAI iant really a dark fantasy in the same way that DAO was. If it is true that DA4 will move north into Tevinter where stuff like racism, homophobia, and slavery is the norm......it would be interesting to see how "far" Bioware goes in showing this. Do they tackle it head on or beat around the bush?

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So you only play videogames that features a female protagonist?
 

Witcher 3 is known for great mature storytelling and immersive and lively open world. DAI is known for it's.....what?

I think Bioware can only ride this SJW wave for a short while before seeing how they are being outsold by companies such as CDPR which isnt cateering to SJWs but still selling 4 million plus units.
Bioware will always allow for a female character, but in terms of forcing through SJW ideals, they cant compete on that forever, especially with games like GTA5 which is anti SJW still dominating the market.

Enjoy while you can.

 

I always forget to clarify that statement about only playing as a woman! Before, I go any further, I will say that I expect my entire post to fall on deaf ears, Majestic. I'm more posting for others than you but quoted you since you made some statements I want to reply to.

 

I only play RPG's that have a female option. I play Zelda, Mario and Legos games but those aren't RPGs. I'm also considering playing the new Assassin's Creed title as they finally have the option to play as a woman; I definitely want to give the game a chance since Ubisoft finally listened to the complaints. 

 

I have no interest in role-playing a man right now and haven't for years. When I began playing video games (didn't play for years after the age of about 15 and then began playing again at around 28) I picked up Fallout 3 and struggled with the choice of whether to play as a man or a woman. I chose to play as a man as being a woman in that dangerous world didn't seem right somehow. I played for a bit but my decision bugged me. Why didn't I think a woman should be wandering around this world? I couldn't really answer that question at the time but I deleted the male character and created a woman. She was awesome and kickass.

 

Soon, I began reading about feminist thought and began to understand how social forces have shaped my thought process. I didn't play games for years as the depictions of women alienated me. When I did finally pick up a game I didn't think a woman was strong enough to handle a dangerous world until feminism helped back me away from that type of conditioning. Bioware and Bethesda are two companies that allow me to role play as a capable awesome woman. It feels great and I can't get that same experience playing a man.

 

My game time is limited and if I have to choose between fantasy setting A that allows me to play as a woman and doesn't do things like give out playing cards for sex and fantasy setting B that requires me to play as a man and treats woman as collectibles, I'll go with A. My preferences are no skin of your nose, right?

 

I'll just have to disagree with your prediction that game companies will stay mired in the past and only make games geared toward the white male CIS crowd. Sure, some games will be geared that way. But, women and minorities are a growing market. There is money to be made by making games that appeal to us.

 

I'm an SJW too! Aaaaayyyyy to all my SJW friends! You the real MVPs!

 

Hello! Glad to meet another awesome SJW! Bioware forums are hilarious. The term feminist and SJW are thrown out to insult others and it works! When I see it happen, I'm like, whaaa!, these are my people! Be a proud SJW feminist! It's not an insult if someone you disagree about everything calls you an SJW!


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I always forget to clarify that statement about only playing as a woman! Before, I go any further, I will say that I expect my entire post to fall on deaf ears, Majestic. I'm more posting for others than you but quoted you since you made some statements I want to reply to.

I only play RPG's that have a female option. I play Zelda, Mario and Legos games but those aren't RPGs. I'm also considering playing the new Assassin's Creed title as they finally have the option to play as a woman; I definitely want to give the game a chance since Ubisoft finally listened to the complaints.

I have no interest in role-playing a man right now and haven't for years. When I began playing video games (didn't play for years after the age of about 15 and then began playing again at around 28) I picked up Fallout 3 and struggled with the choice of whether to play as a man or a woman. I chose to play as a man as being a woman in that dangerous world didn't seem right somehow. I played for a bit but my decision bugged me. Why didn't I think a woman should be wondering around this world? I couldn't really answer that question at the time but I deleted the male character and created a woman. She was awesome and kickass.

Soon, I began reading about feminist thought and began to understand how social forces have shaped my thought process. I didn't play games for years as the depictions of women alienated me. When I did finally pick up a game I didn't think a woman was strong enough to handle a dangerous world until feminism helped back me away from that type of conditioning. Bioware and Bethesda are two companies that allow me to role play as a capable awesome woman. It feels great and I can't get that same experience playing a man.

My game time is limited and if I have to choose between fantasy setting A that allows me to play as a woman and doesn't do things like give out playing cards for sex and fantasy setting B that requires me to play as a man and treats woman as collectibles, I'll go with A. My preferences are no skin of your nose, right?

I'll just have to disagree with your prediction that game companies will stay mired in the past and only make games geared toward the white male CIS crowd. Sure, some games will be geared that way. But, women and minorities are a growing market. There is money to be made by making games that appeal to us.


Hello! Glad to meet another awesome SJW! Bioware forums are hilarious. The term feminist and SJW are thrown out to insult others and it works! When I see it happen, I'm like, whaaa!, these are my people! Be a proud SJW feminist! It's not an insult if someone you disagree about everything calls you an SJW!



I respect that 100% At the end of the day, who am I to say what games you can or cannot play?

My only thing is that while this, lets stop acting like being a white male is a bad thing. I am black myself and even I get tired of that argument. I enjoy games that features black protagonist and in games like DAI, I always create a black male and female cause it isnt something I see a lot in games. Best believe when Fallout 4 comes out, my character will be black and his wife black as well.

You are also correct about women and minorities entering the market. If you saw this year's E3, it is clear that women are getting a fair representation but Latinos and Blacks still arent and latino women and black women are still second fiddle in the gaming industry as whenever a game gets a female lead, she is almost always white. But black men get better representation like Agent Locke being a lead in Halo 5 and Franklin in GTA5.

My thing is that while this progressive movement is popular now, I do not see this as an ongoing thing. Uncharted 4 is not going to hurt in sales because it has a white male lead. There will ALWAYS be a market for games like GTA and Witcher 3, games that appeal to the hetersexual male. Just like there are movies and novels that appeal to males, what makes you think gaming will be any different? There will be games that appeal to females, games that appeal to males, and games that appeals to both.

If diversity is what you truly believe in, then you will accept that gaming will be diverse in the types of demographics publishers goes after. There will be games like DAI that is "gay friendly" and doesnt show women as sexual objects......but there will also be games like Witcher 3 that is more masculine in its style and DOES sexualize women because that is their demographic and it sold 4 million in just 2 weeks so it definately did not suffer because it didnt appeal to feminist. There will also continue to be a market for GTA games which are also very masculine in it's style. Point is, like movies and novels, there will be games that appeal to you and games that do not. However, just cause a game does not appeal to you does not mean that it is racist, sexist, or homophobic. There is nothing wrong with targeting a specific market. Welcome to capitalism, this happens all the time. Sex and the City is designed with the female viewer in mind. That doesnt mean the creators are sexist against males nor does that mean a male cannot watch and enjoy them.

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Know what's sad? This over-identification with a game. The Witcher is doing great in sales? Wow yeah? Great. Why does it matter? It has nothing to do with you. You didn't contribute in any way. You are a consumer of a product but you're championing it like it's your baby. It's not. Why does it matter how well it's doing in comparison to DAI? Why does it matter that it's "objectively" better? Are you an investor? Is that where this 'MY daddy can beat up YOUR daddy' thing is coming from? It's so weird. I'm imaging people in a supermarket getting into a fight over which brand of bread is better, one person actually came into the supermarket from a different supermarket which sells his favourite brand of bread and has now started yelling that his brand of bread is better and this other bread is dumb and inferior. Except I can't really imagine because it's stupid.

 

We get it. You like your bread. Now is there any reason or purpose in holding your bread above your head and dancing in a little circle going "Welalalala your bread is duuuuumb! My bread is dah boooooomb!"?


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1) You still dont get it. TW3 is not an EA game, not published by them. Yes, EA distributes the game through Origin and thus gets a small cut, but do you honestly think EA's executives are saying, "TW3 is being sold through Origin so who cares if it sells alot...." again, naive thinking there. It isnt like TW3 is ONLY sold through Origin which would be another story there. You still have Amazon, Walmart, Gamestop, Steam, and many other retailers that distribute TW3. So yeah, EA gets a cut, but EA also gets a WAY bigger cut through Bioware sales and moving forward, CDPR DOES present a threat to Bioware no matter your opinion of them, especially with the upcoming Cyberpunk 2077.

2) Yea, David Gaider was the lead writer on DAO but when that game was in development, the SJW wave was not in effect. By the time we got to DAI, David Gaider publically have his support to Anita Sarkeesian and said that the SJW movement was a just cause. It is obvious that DAI was influenced by it. No brothels.....no desire demons etc because they didnt want to "offend" anyone. DAO was a raw and mature game, closer to that of TW3 and was not light on issues like racism (elves) or sexism (Sten's explaining of the Qun and how it doesnt allow for female warriors). By the time we get to DAI, much of that was retconned and issues like racism were not really explored much and Thedas turnes into a "care bear" land that is all sterile and bright. DAI iant really a dark fantasy in the same way that DAO was. If it is true that DA4 will move north into Tevinter where stuff like racism, homophobia, and slavery is the norm......it would be interesting to see how "far" Bioware goes in showing this. Do they tackle it head on or beat around the bush?

1) Even if EA only gets a small cut they're still profiting from the Witcher 3 doing well. CDPR poses as much of a threat to Bioware as Activision does to DICE. Activision is farting out COD-games of "high quality" about every year now. In fact; I see more people talking about COD when people mention the FPS genre rather than Battlefield, which leads me to believe that COD is the more popular franchise. Yet EA is not pulling the plug on DICE. COD as a franchise earned Activision billions, I have no idea how much Battlefield has earned EA, because EA doesn't always release all the numbers.

Battlefield is selling good, as is COD. Just like DA:I is selling good, as is Witcher 3.

 

2) So what you're basically saying, as soon as people start to take social justice into their writing, they suddenly suck at writing? Ergo, one's skill in writing is dependant on how much social justice one injects into said writing? ... (Disgusted noise)


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I respect that 100% At the end of the day, who am I to say what games you can or cannot play?

My only thing is that while this, lets stop acting like being a white male is a bad thing. I am black myself and even I get tired of that argument. I enjoy games that features black protagonist and in games like DAI, I always create a black male and female cause it isnt something I see a lot in games. Best believe when Fallout 4 comes out, my character will be black and his wife black as well.

You are also correct about women and minorities entering the market. If you saw this year's E3, it is clear that women are getting a fair representation but Latinos and Blacks still arent and latino women and black women are still second fiddle in the gaming industry as whenever a game gets a female lead, she is almost always white. But black men get better representation like Agent Locke being a lead in Halo 5 and Franklin in GTA5.

My thing is that while this progressive movement is popular now, I do not see this as an ongoing thing. Uncharted 4 is not going to hurt in sales because it has a white male lead. There will ALWAYS be a market for games like GTA and Witcher 3, games that appeal to the hetersexual male. Just like there are movies and novels that appeal to males, what makes you think gaming will be any different? There will be games that appeal to females, games that appeal to males, and games that appeals to both. Just dont think that going forward ALL games will either feature a female lead or both a male and female lead like in Bioware games.

It's not so much about hating white men as it is about getting tired of many white males automatically expecting their preferences to be catered to. When this is pointed out, many men get defensive and, honestly, that's natural. Nobody likes having their favorite toys criticized. But, sometimes I just get so tired of having to say, can't you step outside your bubble and view the issue from another perspective? Can't you see, for example, that objectified women might alienate me from a game as I can tell they are aren't taken as seriously as the men. Imagine the men dressed like some of the women in these games and ask yourself if you would be flocking to play the game where men wore the vacuum sealed armor that showed every line of his package. There are plenty of places for you to find the types of games you want. In fact, the majority of games cater to men. Why are the few companies that are inclusive targeted for so much hate?

 

At any rate, all the gains you mentioned that were made at E3 in regards to women were only made because we complained. Loudly. That's why I don't take too kindly to silencing techniques that are often deployed on these forums, such as trying to make SJW or feminism dirty words. We also put our money in the places that didn't alienate us so much. I completely agree that Latinos and Blacks are not getting fair representation and that needs to be addressed.


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Let's play a game: use "find on page" and type in word "Witcher" and then "DAI" (current state on this page: WItcher mentioned 48 times, TW3 mentioned 21 times.... DAI mentioned 30 times).

 

..... Really, this is getting old. Yet another thread is dominated by those mentioning and making incessant comparisons to Witcher, no matter how doltish they are.


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It's not so much about hating white men as it is about getting tired of many white males automatically expecting their preferences to be catered to. When this is pointed out, many men get defensive and, honestly, that's natural. Nobody likes having their favorite toys criticized. But, sometimes I just get so tired of having to say, can't you step outside your bubble and view the issue from another perspective? Can't you see, for example, that objectified women might alienate me from a game as I can tell they are aren't taken as seriously as the men. Imagine the men dressed like some of the women in these games and ask yourself if you would be flocking to play the game where men wore the vacuum sealed armor that showed every line of his package. There are plenty of places for you to find the types of games you want. In fact, the majority of games cater to men. Why are the few companies that are inclusive targeted for so much hate?

 

At any rate, all the gains you mentioned that were made at E3 in regards to women were only made because we complained. Loudly. That's why I don't take too kindly to silencing techniques that are often deployed on these forums, such as trying to make SJW or feminism dirty words. We also put our money in the places that didn't alienate us so much. I completely agree that Latinos and Blacks are not getting fair representation and that needs to be addressed.

 

Well I am not a white male so I cannot relate to when you talk about favorite toys being criticized.

 

Again, I agree with you that there needs to be more games that appeals to women. My main point is that do not expect this to lead to ALL games appealing to women as that isn't how industry works. In ALL industries there are products that appeals primarily to a certain gender, race, and age and is marketed in such a way. Women buy pickup trucks, but it is obvious in the marketing that they are marketed towards men. Does that make Ford or Chevy sexist? Does that mean that they are trying to exclude women? 

 

 

When I goto Barnes & Noble I see MANY novels that are geared towards women, does that mean that the author is sexist? On the other end, there are also a section of novels that appeal to men, does that mean the author was sexist? Again, we will see more and more games that feature women as the lead character but that does not mean that games like Uncharted and GTA will cese to exist. Do you know how much GTA5 sold? That game is like the most anti-feminist game ever created and yet as of Feb 2015, it has sold 45 million units!!!! Again, I will emphasis, that game is flooded with sexist connotations and clearly that game did not suffer in sales.

 

This is the point I am trying to make. I feminism in many regards is good for the industry because it is making developers wake up to the fact that women do indeed play games. However, that does not mean that games like GTA, Uncharted, God of War, Witcher 3 will suddenly cease to exist and cater to a hetersexual males. Does this exist in the novel industry? No, Does it exist in the movies industry? No what about other markets like automobiles? Nope. So why would gaming be any different? 



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Well I am not a white male so I cannot relate to when you talk about favorite toys being criticized.

 

Again, I agree with you that there needs to be more games that appeals to women. My main point is that do not expect this to lead to ALL games appealing to women as that isn't how industry works. In ALL industries there are products that appeals primarily to a certain gender, race, and age and is marketed in such a way. Women buy pickup trucks, but it is obvious in the marketing that they are marketed towards men. Does that make Ford or Chevy sexist? Does that mean that they are trying to exclude women? 

 

 

When I goto Barnes & Noble I see MANY novels that are geared towards women, does that mean that the author is sexist? On the other end, there are also a section of novels that appeal to men, does that mean the author was sexist? Again, we will see more and more games that feature women as the lead character but that does not mean that games like Uncharted and GTA will cese to exist. Do you know how much GTA5 sold? That game is like the most anti-feminist game ever created and yet as of Feb 2015, it has sold 45 million units!!!! Again, I will emphasis, that game is flooded with sexist connotations and clearly that game did not suffer in sales.

 

This is the point I am trying to make. I feminism in many regards is good for the industry because it is making developers wake up to the fact that women do indeed play games. However, that does not mean that games like GTA, Uncharted, God of War, Witcher 3 will suddenly cease to exist and cater to a hetersexual males. Does this exist in the novel industry? No, Does it exist in the movies industry? No what about other markets like automobiles? Nope. So why would gaming be any different? 

Would you be making this argument that sexism is okay because it makes money if it were being applied to any other group of people? Is sexism in gaming, movies, tv, books okay because it is only happening to women and many men like this stuff? What if we replace sexism with homophobia or racism? Are 'isms' okay as long as there are a lot of people that consume the 'isms'. Should everyone shut up about their particular 'ism' and society revert back to a previous age where the 'isms' were okay?

 

Are you arguing that people shouldn't work to educate society and make entertainment more inclusive for everyone? Should we all just slink away to our segregated corners to engage in our 'isms' in any manner we want?


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Would you be making this argument that sexism is okay because it makes money if it were being applied to any other group of people? Is sexism in gaming, movies, tv, books okay because it is only happening to women and many men like this stuff? What if we replace sexism with homophobia or racism? Are 'isms' okay as long as there are a lot of people that consume the 'isms'. Should everyone shut up about their particular 'ism' and society revert back to a previous age where the 'isms' were okay?

 

Are you arguing that people shouldn't work to educate society and make entertainment more inclusive for everyone? Should we all just slink away to our segregated corners to engage in our 'isms' in any manner we want?

 

No, I am simply saying that in the capitalist industry, there will be companies that gear certain products towards a certain demographic such as gender, age, education level, religion, etc. Because they do so, does not make them bigots in any way. Going back to Sex and the City (created by a male btw) clearly targets the female demographic. I am sure there were many male HBO owners in the late 90s surfing through channels and saw Sex and the City and immediately was turned away from it because it did not appeal to them. Guess what? That is totally fine! Like you stated, not EVERYTHING has to appeal to men however the reverse is also true and that not EVERYTHING has to appeal to women. Again, this is how businesses work. They explore the industry enviornment and see which demographic can be better served by a particular product or service. In the case for Sex and the City, it was found that there is a LARGE audience waiting for such a show and thus it was created and was very successful. On the other end, you then had Entourage which many saw as Sex and the City "for men" in that the cast is all male, talks about male issues, and is told from a male perspective. Does that mean Entourage is a sexist show that is aimed at oppressing women? No! THEN you have shows like Game of Thrones which is for BOTH the male and female demographic.

 

So in just the realm of HBO you have:

 

Sex and the City = Aimed at women

Entourage = Aimed at men

Game of Thrones = Aimed at both sexes

 

All three are highly successful and yet two of the 3 had a specific demographic in mind which is totally normal for ALL businesses to do and it isn't just the entertainment industry and it doesn't always have to be about sex. Money magazine is there for anyone interested in personal finances but the target demographic is the 45+ male or female who is looking at retirement in the next 20 years or so. Does this mean that Money magazine is participating in "ageism"? Does this mean that Money magazine should be forced to cateer to the 18-25 year old demographic?

 

Videogames have historically been like Entourage, aimed at men. However we are now beginning to see more of a Game of Thrones and Sex and the City type influence in the industry where games are now appealing to both genders or in some cases, women specifically. HOWEVER, that does not mean that games aimed at men will suddenly cease to exist especially when there is a LARGE market out there for those types of games (Think GTA and Witcher, both games with a masculine appeal and yet they are highly successful).

 

I agree that we need more "sex and the city" and "game of thrones" in the videogame industry, but does that mean that "entourage" can no longer exist? 



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No, I am simply saying that in the capitalist industry, there will be companies that gear certain products towards a certain demographic such as gender, age, education level, religion, etc. Because they do so, does not make them bigots in any way. Going back to Sex and the City (created by a male btw) clearly targets the female demographic. I am sure there were many male HBO owners in the late 90s surfing through channels and saw Sex and the City and immediately was turned away from it because it did not appeal to them. Guess what? That is totally fine! Like you stated, not EVERYTHING has to appeal to men however the reverse is also true and that not EVERYTHING has to appeal to women. Again, this is how businesses work. They explore the industry enviornment and see which demographic and be better served by a particular product or service. In the case for Sex and the City, it was found that there is a LARGE audience waiting for such a show and thus it was created and was very successful. On the other end, you then had Entourage which many saw as Sex and the City "for men" in that the cast is all male, talks about male issues, and is told from a male perspective. Does that mean Entourage is a sexist show that is aimed at oppressing women? No! THEN you have shows like Game of Thrones which is for BOTH the male and female demographic.

 

So in just the realm of HBO you have:

 

Sex and the City = Aimed at women

Entourage = Aimed at men

Game of Thrones = Aimed at both sexes

 

 

Videogames have historically been like Entourage, aimed at men. However we are now beginning to see more of a Game of Thrones and Sex and the City type influence in the industry where games are now appealing to both genders or in some cases, women specifically. HOWEVER, that does not mean that games aimed at men will suddenly cease to exist especially when there is a LARGE market out there for those types of games.

 

I agree that we need more "sex and the city" and "game of thrones" in the videogame industry, but does that mean that "entourage" can no longer exist? 

Yes, and having target audiences is okay as long as you are not denigrating another group to appeal to that target argument. If you are putting out offensive stereotypes, objectifying people, etc. in your entertainment medium you will rightly be called a bigot by many people. If enough people agree that your product is offensive, capitalism will correct that imbalance. However, you won't get to that point of correction if the bigots are allowed to control the conversation from their point of privilege and shut down the critics.

 

A good example of this scenario happening is the tv show 'The Dukes of Hazzard' being pulled off the air by TVLand due to the confederate flag controversy. Many people are mad about what they perceive as TVLand 'caving' to political correctness but it was probably just a financial decision. As in, enough people are offended by the confederate flag that businesses pulled advertising from the tv show so as not to offend their customers. In this case the typically privileged group lost their 'battle' due to vocal and financial opposition to an injustice.


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