Does anyone else just immediately tune out an argument when the guy starts talking about SJWs? I know we should take arguments seriously regardless of the politics of the poster, but I'm having a lot of trouble doing that lately.
It doesn't help when I've noticed an increasing tendency to conflate SJW with 'anything I don't like.' Also, confusion about the word 'catering' and a business' motive in engaging in such.
Considering how many people whine and immediately give 0 simply because DAI is not the carbon copy of DAO or give lowest scores over for something a silly as game not saving while you're in combat mode (standard for basically every game!) I'd say that the only thing that is surprising is that you actually think metacritic user scores are any more reliable than legit reviews.
Considering how many people praise and immediately give 10 simply because it's DA or give higest scroes for something silly as it have "open world" I'd say it makes up for all the Zeros. Why DA:O all witcher games ME 1 and 2, still have good score for all zeros .ME 1 combat is horible one of worst gameplay in FPS I ever play still one of best games I played.
Does anyone else just immediately tune out an argument when the guy starts talking about SJWs? I know we should take arguments seriously regardless of the politics of the poster, but I'm having a lot of trouble doing that lately.
Taking certain arguments seriously is for the birds, especially if it has meaningless buzzwords attached to it.
Where the hell are the mods?!?
Where the hell are the mods?!?
Making new DA:I DLC. duh
I respect that 100% At the end of the day, who am I to say what games you can or cannot play?
My only thing is that while this, lets stop acting like being a white male is a bad thing. I am black myself and even I get tired of that argument. I enjoy games that features black protagonist and in games like DAI, I always create a black male and female cause it isnt something I see a lot in games. Best believe when Fallout 4 comes out, my character will be black and his wife black as well.
You are also correct about women and minorities entering the market. If you saw this year's E3, it is clear that women are getting a fair representation but Latinos and Blacks still arent and latino women and black women are still second fiddle in the gaming industry as whenever a game gets a female lead, she is almost always white. But black men get better representation like Agent Locke being a lead in Halo 5 and Franklin in GTA5.
My thing is that while this progressive movement is popular now, I do not see this as an ongoing thing. Uncharted 4 is not going to hurt in sales because it has a white male lead. There will ALWAYS be a market for games like GTA and Witcher 3, games that appeal to the hetersexual male. Just like there are movies and novels that appeal to males, what makes you think gaming will be any different? There will be games that appeal to females, games that appeal to males, and games that appeals to both.
If diversity is what you truly believe in, then you will accept that gaming will be diverse in the types of demographics publishers goes after. There will be games like DAI that is "gay friendly" and doesnt show women as sexual objects......but there will also be games like Witcher 3 that is more masculine in its style and DOES sexualize women because that is their demographic and it sold 4 million in just 2 weeks so it definately did not suffer because it didnt appeal to feminist. There will also continue to be a market for GTA games which are also very masculine in it's style. Point is, like movies and novels, there will be games that appeal to you and games that do not. However, just cause a game does not appeal to you does not mean that it is racist, sexist, or homophobic. There is nothing wrong with targeting a specific market. Welcome to capitalism, this happens all the time. Sex and the City is designed with the female viewer in mind. That doesnt mean the creators are sexist against males nor does that mean a male cannot watch and enjoy them.
The thing is: BioWare has been around for 20 years and the simple truth is they have been damn near leading the Progressive movement in games from the devs side all the while and you know what they have been very successful at it. They have been a feminist and a very pro-LGBT company since what over 15 years they have been one of the few companies that have shown that you can make games with a message and be very successful.
Now as a proud straight white male SJW feminist if you don't like it that is your damn problem.
Exactly. I always find it funny how DAI supporters like to discredit the Metacritic user scores on the basis that people gave it 0s for stupid reasons. Well they also gave it 10s for stupid reasons as well so it balances out. Also games that have high Metacritic user scores also still got a bunch of 0s for stupid reasons, yet they were still able to maintain a high score.Considering how many people praise and immediately give 10 simply because it's DA or give higest scroes for something silly as it have "open world" I'd say it makes up for all the Zeros. Why DA:O all witcher games ME 1 and 2, still have good score for all zeros .ME 1 combat is horible one of worst gameplay in FPS I ever play still one of best games I played.
No problem, I just want to share a different perspective on things. About 5 years ago I described myself as a feminist and thought that it was weird since I was a male. When I dabbled in freelance videogame journalism, I even attended a Women in Games discussion at GDC 2010 and learned a lot.I know it wasn't directed at me, but I just finished reading those articles and I have to say it was an eye opening read, made me rethink some of the assumptions I've held about feminism in gaming and portrayals of women in video games.
Thank you.
The thing with DA2 the extra DLC was part of the pre-ordered game and Shale content was included with DAO. DAO was the expection having many DLCs and I remember lots of complaints about DAO having many DLCs. Than we heard that DA2 was going to have many was well and many players started threads asking for DLCs to be FREE. Than DAI was announced and early in the development the Project lead stated that DAI would not have any DLCs yet there will be 2. That is CRAP. I wanted a DA game without a DLC. Playing just the game itself and leaving the game as is would be great. No need for any DLC. What happens to the inquisition, etc... could have been decided based on action by the player based on the uploads to dragon keep. But NOPE. Instead, we get 2 DLCs and I'm a bit upset about that. I really did not think this game needed those. Oh well.
Than DAI was announced and early in the development the Project lead stated that DAI would not have any DLCs yet there will be
Wait, when did the developers claim this? The only thing like that I've heard was there would be no expansion packs like Awakening, not there would be no downloadable content.
Um, to get off the topic of witcher 3 for a moment.
I think they might be putting a lot of time and focus into this DLC and while it won't be as big as expansion (Which i kinda hoped they would do) i think it may cover some plot points that people have been begging for. Like perhaps combining an element of the "wolf hunt" that some people have been begging for as well as a conclusion to the main story? I don't really know what there is to conclude unless someone fixes the orb or they learn the truth about Solas.
I'm just surprised we have had to wait this long and had next to nothing on DLC, but I've only recently started playing Dragon age so maybe this is common on the dragony side of Bioware? But yeah if the DLC that we have read about in leaks and stuff is the last one that wouldn't surprise me either. I'm not sure what happened DA:I but it just feels like Bioware sometimes says "Wait don't we have a dragon game to?" and everyone else is like "But mass effect" I know diffrent teams and all that but It's been so very quiet here.
The only SJW's I have a problem with are the ones who keep trying to demonize companies because they choose a certain gender, race, or sexual orientation that they don't agree with. The ones who are telling companies that they want more female protagonists, a wider range of race and sexual orientation representation, even if they are pressuring them a little bit, are perfectly ok in my book.
Also imo Bioware shouldn't be advertizing that it has a gay character as a publicity stunt either, that isn't true equality. Let the characters speak for themselves, and if you want to announce you have a gay character in your story blend it in with the other elements of their character profile. As an example Bioware didn't need to advertize Dorian as their first gay party member as a publicity stunt. All it served was to go "hey look at me we're special" as well as go and put a bullseye on Dorian's forehead by homophobes. I wouldn't even be surprised if DA:I lost sales because of morons like that. Dorian himself is a wise-ass, doesn't take things too seriously, and is all around a great character. He doesn't flaunt his sexuality in the game either, so why Bioware decided to is beyond me. True equality is not trying to define a character by those things mentioned above. Dorian didn't need to be, Geralt is a great character and he's straight and white, so because of that you choose not to play as him just because he's a male? I find that to be extremely limiting one's horizons. Speaking as a guy who always chooses to play as female characters when the option is available, all I ask for is great games and people who can judge companies on their games, and people on their own merits, not arbitrary things they didn't get a chance to decide on at birth. It will never happen though unfortunately.
Also, regarding the war between CDP and Bioware fans, I get to enjoy laughing on the sidelines because I love both of those games, and I actually find them to be really unique from each other, and enjoy both immensely. The problem with the modern internet era and gamers is that people prefer to spend their time arguing why what they like is great, and what they don't like is crap, when they could actually spend their time actually playing the game they love.
advertize Dorian as their first gay party member as a publicity stunt. All it served was to go "hey look at me we're special"
This is all just the style of marketing that we are forced to endure these days. Its the same everywhere and in every business.
Seriously, educators stop teaching this type of marketing, and businesses stop using it.
The only SJW's I have a problem with are the ones who keep trying to demonize companies because they choose a certain gender, race, or sexual orientation that they don't agree with. The ones who are telling companies that they want more female protagonists, a wider range of race and sexual orientation representation, even if they are pressuring them a little bit, are perfectly ok in my book.
May not agree entirely with the rest of your post but I want to +10000 this post just because of that part.
Demonizing, pointing fingers, thought policing and general toxic behaviour to gain diversity is bad, requests, constructive feedback, polls and voting with wallets to gain diversity is good.
Personally don't even consider anyone from the latter side to be SJWs, only the thought policing, toxic, hatefull and out-for-revenge people to be SJWs.
Also imo Bioware shouldn't be advertizing that it has a gay character as a publicity stunt either, that isn't true equality. Let the characters speak for themselves, and if you want to announce you have a gay character in your story blend it in with the other elements of their character profile. As an example Bioware didn't need to advertize Dorian as their first gay party member as a publicity stunt.
To be fair, the developers of a game do not always have a say in it's marketing and I think it was mostly articles about Dragon Age Inquisition that emphasised the sexual orientation of Dorian rather than the writers themselves. David Gaider's quote where he reveals Dorian's homosexuality is the smallest part of a larger discussion about Dorian's character and nowhere near the focus as the vast majority is him talking about Dorian's personality.
(http://www.dragonage...-profile-dorian)
In the article titled; "Meet Bioware's first "fully gay" male party member in Dragon Age: Inquisition" by Polygon and other similarly-titled articles by other sites, they basically took that small quote and made it the focus even though it is not a milestone considering previous Bioware games and their characters such as Juhani and Steve Cortez. These characters are even why they had to specify to such a degree since Juhani was a homosexual female party member and Steve Cortez was homosexual but not a party member.
(http://www.polygon.c...wards-inclusive)
In the opinion piece written by David Gaider that is additionally linked in the article, I do not believe even mentions Dorian once.
(http://polygon.com/2...e-gay-character)
In my opinionated opinion, it seems more like it is everyone but Bioware who emphasises this aspect of Dorian's character. In most articles I've seen, it is usually the same quote cited.
This is all just the style of marketing that we are forced to endure these days. Its the same everywhere and in every business.
Seriously, educators stop teaching this type of marketing, and businesses stop using it.
I always forget to clarify that statement about only playing as a woman! Before, I go any further, I will say that I expect my entire post to fall on deaf ears, Majestic. I'm more posting for others than you but quoted you since you made some statements I want to reply to.
I only play RPG's that have a female option. I play Zelda, Mario and Legos games but those aren't RPGs. I'm also considering playing the new Assassin's Creed title as they finally have the option to play as a woman; I definitely want to give the game a chance since Ubisoft finally listened to the complaints.
I have no interest in role-playing a man right now and haven't for years. When I began playing video games (didn't play for years after the age of about 15 and then began playing again at around 28) I picked up Fallout 3 and struggled with the choice of whether to play as a man or a woman. I chose to play as a man as being a woman in that dangerous world didn't seem right somehow. I played for a bit but my decision bugged me. Why didn't I think a woman should be wandering around this world? I couldn't really answer that question at the time but I deleted the male character and created a woman. She was awesome and kickass.
Soon, I began reading about feminist thought and began to understand how social forces have shaped my thought process. I didn't play games for years as the depictions of women alienated me. When I did finally pick up a game I didn't think a woman was strong enough to handle a dangerous world until feminism helped back me away from that type of conditioning. Bioware and Bethesda are two companies that allow me to role play as a capable awesome woman. It feels great and I can't get that same experience playing a man.
My game time is limited and if I have to choose between fantasy setting A that allows me to play as a woman and doesn't do things like give out playing cards for sex and fantasy setting B that requires me to play as a man and treats woman as collectibles, I'll go with A. My preferences are no skin of your nose, right?
I'll just have to disagree with your prediction that game companies will stay mired in the past and only make games geared toward the white male CIS crowd. Sure, some games will be geared that way. But, women and minorities are a growing market. There is money to be made by making games that appeal to us.
Hello! Glad to meet another awesome SJW! Bioware forums are hilarious. The term feminist and SJW are thrown out to insult others and it works! When I see it happen, I'm like, whaaa!, these are my people! Be a proud SJW feminist! It's not an insult if someone you disagree about everything calls you an SJW!
I threw up in my mouth after reading this.
Does anyone else just immediately tune out an argument when the guy starts talking about SJWs? I know we should take arguments seriously regardless of the politics of the poster, but I'm having a lot of trouble doing that lately.
I do. Not all opinions are equally valid or worth listening to, especially ones that come from a place like that.
Exactly. I always find it funny how DAI supporters like to discredit the Metacritic user scores on the basis that people gave it 0s for stupid reasons. Well they also gave it 10s for stupid reasons as well so it balances out. Also games that have high Metacritic user scores also still got a bunch of 0s for stupid reasons, yet they were still able to maintain a high score.
I think many people cannot accept the idea that DAI in terms of perception isnt all that great as they may want it to be or think it to be.
Also, regarding the war between CDP and Bioware fans, I get to enjoy laughing on the sidelines because I love both of those games, and I actually find them to be really unique from each other, and enjoy both immensely. The problem with the modern internet era and gamers is that people prefer to spend their time arguing why what they like is great, and what they don't like is crap, when they could actually spend their time actually playing the game they love.
I hate DAI, not Dragon Age.
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Like I said before, CDPR proved that you can make a great game without cateering to the SJW crowd which Bioware felt that they had to do with DAI. I mean the professional and user review scores for TW3 are better than DAI across the board, that should tell you something.
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Drunk babies are easily confused.
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Drunk babies are easily confused.
Athena deserves my undying love, screw drunk babies.
I don't know who that is, but it's hard not to be impressed by someone being born by leaping full grown from her father's head.
I've been a Bioware fan for many years now, but something seems to be going wrong behind the scenes.
Dragon Age: Origins was released in November 2009. Two of its dlcs dropped same day (Warden's Keep; The Stone Prisoner). Return to Ostagar first came out in January 2010. The expansion Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening dropped in March, and almost immediately Feastday Gifts & Pranks followed in April. The Darkspawn Chronicles released in May 2010. And that's not counting the various promotional items released through retailers. To spectacularly round things off Bioware gave us the "wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am" triple header of Leliana's Song, The Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt in July, August and September 2010 respectively. Although I'm not going to list them, Dragon Age 2's dlc (albeit more limited in comparison) were released in a comparable timetable.
Dragon Age Inquisition came out in November 2014, and all we've seen is Jaws of Hakkon in March, the Black Emporium in May and the oddball drop of Spoils of the Avvar (which seems like nothing more than leftover fodder from JoH) last month, A single story related dlc in eight months? WTF??
The rumor mill is spinning beyond all decency with the devs invested in such silent running tactics, but the industry is reporting that an upcoming third dlc will close the books on Inquisition. So JoH, BE, and whatever else is in the works is supposed to be it???
I've been a Bioware fan for many years now, but something seems to be going wrong behind the scenes.
Dragon Age: Origins was released in November 2009. Two of its dlcs dropped same day (Warden's Keep; The Stone Prisoner). Return to Ostagar first came out in January 2010. The expansion Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening dropped in March, and almost immediately Feastday Gifts & Pranks followed in April. The Darkspawn Chronicles released in May 2010. And that's not counting the various promotional items released through retailers. To spectacularly round things off Bioware gave us the "wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am" triple header of Leliana's Song, The Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt in July, August and September 2010 respectively. Although I'm not going to list them, Dragon Age 2's dlc (albeit more limited in comparison) were released in a comparable timetable.
Dragon Age Inquisition came out in November 2014, and all we've seen is Jaws of Hakkon in March, the Black Emporium in May and the oddball drop of Spoils of the Avvar (which seems like fodder for JoH) last month, A single story related dlc in eight months? WTF??
The rumor mill is spinning beyond all decency with the devs invested in such silent running tactics, but the industry is reporting that an upcoming third dlc will close the books on Inquisition. So JoH, BE, and whatever else is in the works is supposed to be it???
Reason why it's go so slow is simple bad decision and biggest problem is making RPG with FPS engine. You can thank Bioware for using.
Second reason XBOX360 and PS3
Reason why it's go so slow is simple bad decision and biggest problem is making RPG with FPS engine. You can thank Bioware for using.
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Second reason XBOX360 and PS3
I've been wondering this myself!!
Reason why it's go so slow is simple bad decision and biggest problem is making RPG with FPS engine. You can thank Bioware for using.
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I don't care for FB3 that much, but seriously, BioWare didn't choose to use it, they were mandated to use it by the company that writes their paychecks, EA.
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I for one think they have done well getting it to work with RPG systems, they had to spend more time developing engine systems which gave them less time to develop story and content. I am also not on the "BioWare Bad Game" bandwagon that seems to be so fashionable these days. Aside from the few issues that I ran into (some I fixed myself), I think the game is really good and am much happier with DA:I than I was with DA2 (and I also liked DA2). At the end of the day (or any day up to now), DA:I hasn't failed to entertain me (neither did DA2 despite all its flaws). We choose whether to be angry at toothpicks or accept the world and everything in it as it is, flawed, because nothing is perfect and nothing is as we expect.
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