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[Courtnehh]

I didn't even see that, lady's wrath is incredible with a high damage weapon. Finishes enemies, hits through walls, Gets kills for you if you're knocked down and the AOE is slightly larger than the circle around you. Brilliant skill.

[Cirvante]

I didn't even see that, lady's wrath is incredible with a high damage weapon. Finishes enemies, hits through walls, Gets kills for you if you're knocked down and the AOE is slightly larger than the circle around you. Brilliant skill.

 

Don't forget free revives with HoK.

[Thadrial]

A lot of the mistakes in your post have already been pointed out but honestly you should have checked the balance changes before you posted this. The avaars' elemental bonuses from korth's might have been buffed to 24 seconds and they were 10 before not 8. Also I don't think you're going to get along with very many people with the way you act and these ridiculous assumptions about things like scaling difficulty. Bioware has trouble enough finding a balance for spirit blade and you think they can handle scaling difficulty by class, promotion, gear, and skill? Also static cage ring is on the chopping block last I heard.

[Yallegro]

Firestorm has no cooldown with Flashpoint and hits a lot of enemies when cast on a spawn or set up in a chokepoint.

 

Mind Blast upgrade was fixed and generates barrier.

 

Parry can be used while moving, can block a lot more and basically costs no stamina with the upgrade.

 

 

Outdated/incorrect. Rampage bug was fixed and the ability nerfed so Dragon Rage loses it's HoH while Rampage is active.

 

 

Leaping Shot used from Stealth won't be blocked. It interacts really well with Pincushion and Death from Above.

 

Flashfire says hi.

 

 

Not only is Lady's Wrath an incredibly strong ability, it can also be used very effectively for exp runs with 4 Avvars.

 

Why would I do Leaping Shot from stealth when I can do Throwing Blades and not worry about misses?

Yes Pincushion, Death from Above those are some really uhmn...

do they have any relevance without Leaping Shot?

 

Did you just rag on Flashfire when you are defending Mind Blast?

 

Exp runs with 4 avvars? Who does this? Where are the people who do this?

 

I'm off to test that Rampage fix

 

 

Anyway I hope I made it obvious that I don't care how many posts you have if the content of them is this inane and unworthy of an actual player's attention.

[Yallegro]

A lot of the mistakes in your post have already been pointed out but honestly you should have checked the balance changes before you posted this. The avaars' elemental bonuses from korth's might have been buffed to 24 seconds and they were 10 before not 8. Also I don't think you're going to get along with very many people with the way you act and these ridiculous assumptions about things like scaling difficulty. Bioware has trouble enough finding a balance for spirit blade and you think they can handle scaling difficulty by class, promotion, gear, and skill? Also static cage ring is on the chopping block last I heard.

If this is the way people behave on this forum I think there's a serious need for kicking people in the butt around here

Half the post in here are meant to be offensive.

 

Also you sound like a sock puppet account for Cirvante

[Kungsarme]

Wow. I really enjoy these forums as many of you know. Seriously the wrong entrance mate. This is mostly a pretty chill forum with exceptional information and news. It's usually hilarious at times too. Treat this forum like a scientific paper if you feel the need to theory craft or defend statements made. Sources and maths are not a suggestion if you want to be taken seriously. I have no desire to be taken seriously here, too much of that in real life.

That being said, I love stonefist. With a cooldown amulet I FEEL like it's always available, knocking stuff down for my front line homies, dishing out a pretty solid damage every couple of seconds, weakening everything as well as being a nice "Oh ****!" knockdown for something surprising. Personal preference. Then fire ALL the things!

[Thadrial]

The majority of posts on this thread are correcting your mistakes man. The least you could do is consider that maybe you got a few things mistaken. As far as offensive things go being offended is about the lamest complaint ever. Just ignore trolls. You can ignore me too but I can tell you're already dead set on ignoring everybody and I don't know why you even bothered posting this guide if you don't care about criticisms. 

[BreakJohn]

wow that was some post, definitely some weird and interesting builds in here might give a few of these a look next time i promote a few classes.(i like to mix things up)

 

oh and even though it wasn't meant for me i accept this thunderdome challenge if you are on the xone! Avvar to Avvar, just cause i disagree with a build that doesn't have lady's wrath.  

[yarpenthemad21]

Damage listed in Cool beats description is wrong.
DoT in DAIMP hit every 2 seconds starting at 0, so 8 sec long Cool Beats deals 300% x 5 ticks and 12 second version gives additional 2 ticks.
The same on aoe effect of it.

Poisoned Weapons
-Ignores armor so does more dmg than you think
-With tier2 your dmg increases by 25%

Wrong, tier 2 gives 10% flat bonus to ability_multiplier.

Horn of Valor
The good :
-Increases the damage of every party member by 35%

More like increase damage_multiplier by flat 35%. It's not even close to increasing relative damage by 35%

Upgrading Payback strike when your total +attack% bonus is higher than 100% reduce damage of this skill. In general upgrade is useless, giving for average player around 15-20% damage increase, so only stunning taunted part can be really worth it.

[Wavebend]

More like increase damage_multiplier by flat 35%. It's not even close to increasing relative damage by 35%

 

Can you explain this in more details?

 

edit: I think I understood what you meant by 'relative' by reading the next paragraph. Still, Horn of Valor + upgrade is a 50% bonus to damage_multiplier

[Cirvante]

Why would I do Leaping Shot from stealth when I can do Throwing Blades and not worry about misses?

Yes Pincushion, Death from Above those are some really uhmn...

do they have any relevance without Leaping Shot?

 

Did you just rag on Flashfire when you are defending Mind Blast?

 

Exp runs with 4 avvars? Who does this? Where are the people who do this?

 

Pincushion has relevance without Leaping Shot when you consistently go for triple hits with the LotG. To prevent misses with Leaping Shot, you need to be close to the target. I love Throwing Blades, but they are pretty bad unless you have an isolated target. And Flashfire is terrible and the only reason to ever take it would be to spread panic with a Necro. At least Mind Blast has been fixed and does what it's supposed to do.

 

And the people who do exp runs with 4 Avvars are above you on the leaderboards. It's not a very fun way to play mind you, but it does free up a hand for eating. It's also reasonably fast and produces a lot of exp. Because contrary to what you claimed, support exp are generated by tagging all enemies, taking damage with guard and barrier and inflicting status effects on enemies before they get killed by teammates. This can also be done with warriors, even though you give them a lower 'power rating' than mages. Your whole section about game difficulty scaling is bogus.

 

Overall, you give off the impression that you know very little about game mechanics. The fact that you cry 'trolls' and 'sockpuppet account' whenever someone calls you out on your BS, doesn't really help your case.

[Drasca]

Yallegro, I really like your format, and thanks for making a big post that's very polished format wise.

 

 

 I tested them for hours, and everything is designed to work on perilous (EVENTUALLY).

The builds posted are also current as I find that many of the builds posted here on the forum are dated because of recent nerfs.

 

It is true there are bad builds out there, and outdated builds. That said, mine aren't, and they're all thoroughly Perilous tested and come out swinging.

 

This is the first time I am hearing this. Is this based on something? Or am I out of loop?

fire mine is great btw

 

It doesn't. There are no absolute difficult changes, only relative perception of difficulty increases. Only actually changing the difficulty setting changes the difficulty and allies going to the fade in an absolute manner. Having a weak team makes the relative difficulty increase, but none of the actual game mechanics have changed, the team just sucks.

 

Gee look at all the trolls posting in my thread

 

If you think your builds are that much better than mine, I will gladly go into a lobby with you, then get the highscore every time. The end

 

I completely believe you'll be able to outscore the trolls. That said, some of your builds are terrible, and I will either outscore you or take full advantage of the fact you're busy trying and bring a character to be carried so we can rotate low level characters with the team roster.

 

Just report the trolls. That's all you can do. Don't respond to them if you can avoid it. That said, yarpen isn't the troll. He provides factual numbers to his claims.

 

You do need to read up here:

http://forum.bioware...mbat-mechanics/

 

You do have a lot of misconceptions that need correcting, but in all honesty it is easier to just point you to what is true instead of correcting all your misconceptions.

[yarpenthemad21]

Can you explain this in more details?

final_damage = (base_damage * rand(0.95 to 1.05) - armor * (1 - armor_penetration))
* (ability_multiplier)
* (1 + critical_damage_bonus + flanking_bonus)
* (1 + attack_bonus + damage_multiplier + type_bonus)
* (1 - magic_resistance)

Horn of valor adds flat 0.35 to damage_multiplier value

Simplest example on mage.
Staff of dragon. 81 base damage, 41% attack bonus.
Now let you have another 29% attack from promotions and passives. (willpower, magic)
so you have 70% attack_bonus

Your basic non crit hit will be 81 * (1+0.7) = 137.7 damage.
Now let someone gave you this horn of valor buff. How will damage look now?
81* (1+ 0.7 + 0.35) = 166.5

166.5 * 100% / 137.7 = 120.58% ->so 35% bonus to damage_multplier in this example, quite normal I would say give ~20% more relative damage increase on autoattack.

[Pork]

Yeah, no. you're full of crap. Also quite a few of your builds suck and contain outdated information.

 

Instead of being rude and calling OP names, why don't you correct him politely and point out where he slipped up? At least he bothered to write out some OC. A quick look at your post history shows that you've contributed nothing other than a video showcasing how trash your gameplay is on FC. 

 

The fact that Drasca responded politely and objectively and you didn't is pretty remarkable to me.

[Courtnehh]

wow that was some post, definitely some weird and interesting builds in here might give a few of these a look next time i promote a few classes.(i like to mix things up)

oh and even though it wasn't meant for me i accept this thunderdome challenge if you are on the xone! Avvar to Avvar, just cause i disagree with a build that doesn't have lady's wrath.

You should add me my good sir.

[jvaz]

Lost me and i stopped reading when he said no firestorm on ele because of long cooldown. If you know how to play ele firestorm is the best focus ability behind counterstrike. And my ele just loves being able to cast it every 10 seconds or so (Flashpoint + decent cunning)

[The Great Bob]

Are there any chars that have a power rating of over 9000?

[Cirvante]

Instead of being rude and calling OP names, why don't you correct him politely and point out where he slipped up?

 

But I did in later posts and so have others. It's quite ironic that he mentioned how many builds on BSN are outdated, when he himself was presenting outdated information. It may be OC, but the quality leaves much to be desired.

 

It's also pretty telling that he still hasn't taken out the part about difficulty scaling.

[Pork]

But I did in later posts and so have others. It's quite ironic that he mentioned how many builds on BSN are outdated, when he himself was presenting outdated information. It may be OC, but the quality leaves much to be desired.

 

It's also pretty telling that he still hasn't taken out the part about difficulty scaling.

 

I agree, its full of misinformation, I don't like many of the builds either, doesn't mean I think they suck. As with ME3, no bad builds, just bad players. Some builds are more optimal than others but thats that. I just don't think that being an ass to OP is giving you any credit either. The OP clearly put a lot of work into his post, moreso than many users here, so I don't really think that mindlessly bashing him for his ignorance is going to achieve much. Pointing out his errors and asking him to correct them would be a lot more productive.

[Cirvante]

I agree, its full of misinformation, I don't like many of the builds either, doesn't mean I think they suck. As with ME3, no bad builds, just bad players. Some builds are more optimal than others but thats that. I just don't think that being an ass to OP is giving you any credit either. The OP clearly put a lot of work into his post, moreso than many users here, so I don't really think that mindlessly bashing him for his ignorance is going to achieve much. Pointing out his errors and asking him to correct them would be a lot more productive.

 

I haven't had my morning coffee before posting and afterwards I had to stay in character.

[Yallegro]

Ok

 I'm back

 

Cirvante you are definitely wrong, I just slashed my way through some Red Templar Shadows and Horrors and I totally regenerated health while using Dragon Rage. Couldn't get it to work but once on the dragon though so I'm going to test this again a bit then edit.

 

Srry I can't accept the challenge, I only have a PS3

 

I'm taking out the bit about the difficulties and changing the damage of Horn of Valor

 

Drasca I'm about to read through your stuff

 

Cirvante the fact that you presume everyone needs to know every bit of info about a game that can change weekly doesn't say anything good about your social intelligence. Again, I play this game, I don't crack the numbers. If Horn of Valor was included in a build that was because it worked, not because of the exact figures

 

Thx everyone who said something nice and of course, everything I post here is my opinion, it's not perfect but you can do a lot worse.

I guarantee it.

 

Are there any chars that have a power rating of over 9000?

 

Yes, yours

[Hang3d Man]

Umm maybe you were regenerating health due to heal on kill, not dragon rage/ rampage combo?

I maybe misunderstand what you are saying though. I'm certainly not in any position to really judge, seeing how my play style makes Silversmurfs "button mash, hulk smash" strategy seem like the oft referenced Sun Tzu manual, but I figured I should throw my 2cents in.

Love the presentation and enjoyed the breakdowns on your various builds though! I know you think people are trolling but taking in their criticism and combining it with your experience and knowledge can only help you and the community in the long term!

[nibyl]

Cirvante you are definitely wrong, I just slashed my way through some Red Templar Shadows and Horrors and I totally regenerated health while using Dragon Rage. Couldn't get it to work but once on the dragon though so I'm going to test this again a bit then edit.

Don't spread that info around or it's going to get "fixed" again

[Wavebend]

I just read through the entire thing. Thumbs up for the effort, but you are mistaken on many levels. You often put very good abilities under the "not to get" sections. The portion about immunities/weaknesses is just ... wrong. Some abilities don't work the way you describe them to, etc. I won't do the job to pinpoint every erroneous statement, but I think you should at least double-check before your write something down and make sure that what you describe is accurate.

[Courtnehh]

Ok
 I'm back
 
Cirvante you are definitely wrong, I just slashed my way through some Red Templar Shadows and Horrors and I totally regenerated health while using Dragon Rage. Couldn't get it to work but once on the dragon though so I'm going to test this again a bit then edit.
 
Srry I can't accept the challenge, I only have a PS3
 
I'm taking out the bit about the difficulties and changing the damage of Horn of Valor
 
Drasca I'm about to read through your stuff
 
Cirvante the fact that you presume everyone needs to know every bit of info about a game that can change weekly doesn't say anything good about your social intelligence. Again, I play this game, I don't crack the numbers. If Horn of Valor was included in a build that was because it worked, not because of the exact figures
 
Thx everyone who said something nice and of course, everything I post here is my opinion, it's not perfect but you can do a lot worse.
I guarantee it.
 



Yes, yours

There's a glitch with Dragon rage (I think it's caused by taking damage over time whilst dragon rage is active) the glitch makes you regain heal on hit when you're dragon raging. Which shouldn't happen after he balance change.